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Re: The death of the list as we know it (tm)
by Pat Farrell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In message Fri, 8 Oct 93 14:08:50 EST, Matthew B. Landry <mbl(a)ml7694a.leonard.american.edu> writes: > I really think that the powers that be should consider the > newsgroup idea. I have to comment. Many on this list believe strongly in privacy. This implies that no one admits to being a PTB (power that be). Others are anarchists and don't believe in PTB. And occasional person wants to be in charge of the anarchy movement. Options include: 1. get a rational mail reader (nupop, eudora, etc.) and a rational vendor (netcom, digex, world, well, etc.) and read at your leisure. 2. convert it locally to a local newgroup. then use rn, tin, etc. with kill files. 3. unsubscribe. 4. alternate plan X. I have no problem with the volume. The S/N ratio could be better, but so could my bank account. Pat Pat Farrell Grad Student pfarrell(a)netcom.com Department of Computer Science George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Public key availble via finger #include <standard.disclaimer>

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Newsgroup?
by Matthew B. Landry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I still think that people are looking at this idea wrong. If we made the list->news gateway work one-way, so that news traffic wouldn't end up on the list, all of the stated problems could be solved. Except, that is, for TC May's theory about archived postings being grepped by spooks. Personally, I think that this is a rather far-fetched idea. If the spooks thought we posed a real threat to them (they might; I don't know), they would have very little trouble grabbing every single character sent to the list now and archiving it all with the best dossier-style cross-indeces in the business. I just think that a newsgroup wouldn't affect that one way or another. On the other hand, if the Extropians software is as good as it sounds (and if we actually start using it here), we might not need to have newsreaders to get the same functionality. Sending an "ignore" message to the list software to be processed at the source is a kludge, but it seems to be a Politically Correct kludge, so we might as well use it. -- Matthew B. Landry ml7694a(a)american.edu (Finally!) mbl(a)ml7694a.leonard.american.edu

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Re: brin on privacy
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

peter writes > david brin spoke in ann arbor recently [...] > > privacy laws will be used as a weapon by the Rich and Powerful to > restrict the free flow of information. > > brin feels that privacy laws will be ineffective against the RaP, will > be sold to the rest of us through effective propaganda, and that they > will be used by the RaP as a means to cement their power base. He's probably right. (Of course, *most* laws made by the Rich and Powerful will be used to cement their power base, so this is just a special case....) Some examples that have been discussed on the net include the British data privacy laws that limit the personal-information databases that you can keep without formal notification to the people contained in them (and to the government.) The fact that you've got a computer and are using it in ways that indicate you have *some* database capability but haven't registered has been used as an excuse to search people's computers. Of course, if you *have* registered, then they can search to be sure you don't have any data you've forgotten to mention.... > brin's message was basically a populist one. he is concerned that the > moguls of data will have the opportunity to control what we see and > hear. what i found most fascinating about his talk was that while i > generally agree with the social objectives he backs, i am in 180 degree > disagreement on how to accomplish these ends. It's not an uncommon thing to find among people who believe in things but don't think about the implications of implementing those beliefs, as well as with people who are messing with really complicated technology. Bill

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Re: POISON PILL
by gtoal＠gtoal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Stuart mailed this to me by accident and asked me to forward it to the list. G :From: "Stuart W. Card" <swc(a)uc1.ucsu.edu> :How's this as a dead man encryption protocol: :1) don't keep any sensitive stuff of your own on your own hardware, :put it on other peoples' machines (and let them put their stuff :on yours); :2) encrypt all of your stuff before transferring it to other peoples' :boxes; :3) send the keys that you used to do the encryption to other folks' :boxes as well (not the same ones on which you stored the files); :4) if you are really paranoid, Shamir share the keys; :5) don't keep any local copies of the plaintext, cyphertext or keys; :6) periodically send messages to the boxes where you have stashed :your files, saying "Everything is still cool, don't wipe my files :or my keys."; :7) if/when it hits the fan and you are pressured to reveal your stuff, :stop sending those messages -- the dead man switch goes off and your :files/keys are wiped. :There are countless variations on this theme, each offering a :different compromise between security against prying versus :overhead and the chance of unintended deletion. :------------------------------------------------------------------------ :Stuart W. Card, Consultant, Card & Associates -- Research & Development :Box 153 RR 1 Newport Rd Utica NY 13502 315-735-1717 / FAX -8469 :swc@uc1.ucsu.edu or cards(a)top.cis.syr.edu "Who is John Galt?"

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Agenda, Goals, Flames...Comments
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wrote this reply to Matthew Landry, who raised some complaints about the direction of this list, the role of the "leaders," and so on. I sent it to him personally, so as not to add to the already heavy volume of stuff on this list, especially the complaints of the last few days. I think the term "leader" is inappropriate. Several of us got the group rolling a little over a year ago, but the anarchic nature of the mailing list (source of strengths as well as weaknesses). In Matthew's post he on the one hand blasts the elitist attitude of Eric Hughes and myself while in the next paragraph blasting the lack of action taken by the "leaders" to control flames and set up systems to help newcomers. Anyway, I enjoyed a political piece Matthew wrote a couple of weeks or so ago, and I told him this. So his piece tonight (2:30 a.m) merited a response. And though some of you are no doubt sick of seeing these issues debated, I've decided to forward my letter to him to all of you, as I think some points need to be made. I've removed one or two sentences from the version I mailed to Matthew. Forwarded message:

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Re: distributed autonomous networks
by swc＠uc1.ucsu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Meteor bounce is real. Ask anyone in military communications. It is not easy and it is not cheap (in present equipment volumes). The antennas tend to be bulky as well. But it is an option. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stuart W. Card, Consultant, Card & Associates -- Research & Development Box 153 RR 1 Newport Rd Utica NY 13502 315-735-1717 / FAX -8469 swc(a)uc1.ucsu.edu or cards(a)top.cis.syr.edu "Who is John Galt?"

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Re: Safe and fun environment?
by jamie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Cypherlings, excuse the bandwidth] Matthew, As a fresh newbie allow me to react for the record to your recent post. >a "safe and fun environment" to introduce new people to anything. I've never found a safe and fun environment anywhere, anytime if I looked closely enough to see what was going on; hence I never expect it anywhere, anytime. > And god forbid that a newcomer should ask a QUESTION! Dear lord no. >That newcomer will be flamed so totally that no burn unit around will be able >to save them. My questions have been answered graciously, thoroughly, and when I've been corrected, I should've been due to inattentive typing (e.g., author's names). > No one on this list is entirely to blame, nor is anyone entirely >blameless for this. Several of the top figures on the list (TC May and Eric >Hughes to name two) have recently adopted an inappropriately elitist attitude >toward the direction of the list, and the movement. Movement? Like in 'bowel'? I don't see the elitest approach; from my perspective it looks like people with knowledge being exasperated when others want private tutoring and don't RTFM. I'm pretty much the same way in my areas of expertise. >No one can stop Eric from >running the _list_ however he wants, but the _movement_ belongs to all of us, Let me get this straight -- you're claiming property rights to spontaneous behavior of other individuals? > Until we fix the serious problems in this list, it will never be an >appropriate environment for newcomers to learn about crypto-privacy, It's been good for me. Why do you think that might be? -- ................................ Jamie Dinkelacker Palo Alto CA Jamie(a)netcom.com 415.941.4782

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PGP help for dos
by jvarley＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just got PGP 2.3a for Dos and I'm having trouble adding keys to my keyring. It seems it can only accept two keys. When I type pgp keyfile It says something like "Key found, add this key to pubring.pgp?" I hit Y, and then it tells me "No keyfile found in keyfile.$00". I've encountered this before. Last time, it was only my key in the pubring. When I went to add a second key, it wouldn't accept it. I wound up deleting my pubring, re-doing it, and then I could add a second key, but no more. -- jvarley(a)netcom.com | "...Soul of a woman was created below!" Tomes on IRC | -- Led Zeppelin PGP key available via finger

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Wireless Net
by Matthew J Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry to put this on the list but I forgot who posted the original. I believe it was Ed Carp that mentioned he had a wireless net set up between his 486 and his laptop. Could you detail this setup a bit more (hardware and code necessary). Also, is the connection (or lack thereof) encrypted end-to-end? --Matt ______________________________________________________________________________ "This new technology (the printing press) threatened the Crown, which shuddered at the thought of widespread dissemination of works advocating religious heresy and political upheaval. The Crown's solution to the problem was a system of regulation designed to control this "dangerous" art." -From my Copyright Law Text (refrencing the Statute of Anne - the first Copyright Statute) (c)1993 ______________________/___________________________________mjmiski(a)macc.wisc.edu

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Atari and VAX
by major＠dcd.wa.gov.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"John W. Redelfs" <TSJWR(a)acad2.alaska.edu> writes: > If I owned a PC clone or a Mac, I'd be sitting pretty. If my host machine > was Unix, I'd be fine. But I'm using an Atari emulating vt100 off a > VAX 6510. Is there any help for me? How can I be a cypherpunk? > > I want to be using PGP, but I haven't found it for either machine I'm on. PGP version 2.3A contains conditionals for both Atari and VMS, The distribution includes a file vmsbuild.com which presumably does the obvious. I have no facilities to check if either of these actualy work. Major +------------------------------------------------+------------------------+ | Snail: Box T1680 GPO, Perth WA 6001, Australia | Phone: + 61 9 357-5076 | | email: major(a)dcd.wa.gov.au | FAX: + 61 9 370-3692 | +------------------------------------------------+------------------------+ Netware 4.0 slogan: Know no bounds; Internet slogan: Have no bounds

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