I still think that people are looking at this idea wrong. If we made the list->news gateway work one-way, so that news traffic wouldn't end up on the list, all of the stated problems could be solved. Except, that is, for TC May's theory about archived postings being grepped by spooks. Personally, I think that this is a rather far-fetched idea. If the spooks thought we posed a real threat to them (they might; I don't know), they would have very little trouble grabbing every single character sent to the list now and archiving it all with the best dossier-style cross-indeces in the business. I just think that a newsgroup wouldn't affect that one way or another. On the other hand, if the Extropians software is as good as it sounds (and if we actually start using it here), we might not need to have newsreaders to get the same functionality. Sending an "ignore" message to the list software to be processed at the source is a kludge, but it seems to be a Politically Correct kludge, so we might as well use it. -- Matthew B. Landry ml7694a@american.edu (Finally!) mbl@ml7694a.leonard.american.edu