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Ken Bass (counsel for Phil Karn) Interviewed on "Real Time" Monday
by ISP-TV Main Contact 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** ISP-TV Program Announcement: Ken Bass (counsel for Phil Karn) interviewed live on "Real Time" *** *** Monday, Jan. 27 *** *** 9:00 PM ET *** Ken Bass is a partner in the firm of Venable, Baetjer, Howard & Civiletti, LLP, and is the head of that firm's Appellate Practice Group. Recently Venable served as counsel to Phil Karn during his dispute with the Department of State concerning export of a diskette containing the source code for cryptographic algorithms published in the book _Applied_ _Cryptography_, having already received permission to export the book. For the past 20 years Bass has practiced law in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area, concentrating in civil litigation and appellate advocacy. From 1977 until 1981 he left private practice to serve as the first Counsel for Intelligence Policy at the Department of Justice. In that position he advised the Attorney General and the White House on the legal aspects of a variety of intelligence and national security matters. He also has served as a Special Master in a FOIA litigation in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia to review code word classified files concerning the Iran hostage rescue mission for Judge Louis Oberdorfer. Call-in questions will be taken during the show at (301) 847-6571. **** This video interview can be viewed on the ISP-TV main CU-SeeMe reflector at IP 205.197.248.54, or other ISP-TV affiliate reflectors listed at http://isptv.digex.net/members.html. See URL http://isptv.digex.net for more information about the ISP-TV Network To get email about future programming on ISP-TV, email the word "subscribe" to isptv-prog-request(a)isptv.digex.net. To obtain Enhanced CU-SeeMe software, go to: http://goliath.wpine.com/cudownload.htm

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Re: Is Sandy really censoring criticisms of Stronghold, his product?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My version of DV's ploy came via the unedited list. There was also a good, brief discussion about Vulis's multi-pronged Denial of Service attack on Cypherpunks, which came unedited, along with other informative comments about how a technologically adept attacker singles out a quarry amongst a lumbering, slumbering, cud- chewing herd. Quite beastly cryptoanarchistic.

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Ken Bass (counsel for Phil Karn) Interviewed on "Real Time" Monday
by ISP-TV Main Contact 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** ISP-TV Program Announcement: Ken Bass (counsel for Phil Karn) interviewed live on "Real Time" *** *** Monday, Jan. 27 *** *** 9:00 PM ET *** Ken Bass is a partner in the firm of Venable, Baetjer, Howard & Civiletti, LLP, and is the head of that firm's Appellate Practice Group. Recently Venable served as counsel to Phil Karn during his dispute with the Department of State concerning export of a diskette containing the source code for cryptographic algorithms published in the book _Applied_ _Cryptography_, having already received permission to export the book. For the past 20 years Bass has practiced law in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area, concentrating in civil litigation and appellate advocacy. From 1977 until 1981 he left private practice to serve as the first Counsel for Intelligence Policy at the Department of Justice. In that position he advised the Attorney General and the White House on the legal aspects of a variety of intelligence and national security matters. He also has served as a Special Master in a FOIA litigation in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia to review code word classified files concerning the Iran hostage rescue mission for Judge Louis Oberdorfer. Call-in questions will be taken during the show at (301) 847-6571. **** This video interview can be viewed on the ISP-TV main CU-SeeMe reflector at IP 205.197.248.54, or other ISP-TV affiliate reflectors listed at http://isptv.digex.net/members.html. See URL http://isptv.digex.net for more information about the ISP-TV Network To get email about future programming on ISP-TV, email the word "subscribe" to isptv-prog-request(a)isptv.digex.net. To obtain Enhanced CU-SeeMe software, go to: http://goliath.wpine.com/cudownload.htm

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Re: lead remailer is shut down
by bs-org＠c2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:58 1997-02-07 -0800, Ed Falk wrote: > >Can't remailers be written with basic spam safeguards? I.e. no mass >crossposts, limited # of posts by each individual client per day, etc.? Can anybody give me the address of reliable remailer which accepts pgp messages. BTW which remailer was shut down and why?

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Re: Metzger, Denninger square off
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:24 PM 2/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >[Forwarded from Wired news. Let's cut to the chase: Which side is in the >right? Who can tell me, in plain and simple language, who is fighting for >individual freedom and property rights, and who is not?] Hee... I think they're both just after money. > 5:01 pm PST 6 Feb 97 - A proposal by the International Ad Hoc > Committee (IAHC) to expand the number of Internet top-level domain > names is stirring opposition among alternative domain name providers. Well, of course. AlterNIC does charge a few bucks for registering in some of their TLDs. I'm not sure about the other alternative-name servers, but somehow I doubt it's a charity program. And of course we all know about InterNIC's cash cow... [the proposed new TLDs] .firm .store Somehow, these two look rather similar to me. .web Actually a good idea :) A lot of the .com congestion is from companies that are virtually-hosted for the sole purpose of running a Web site with the www. prefix. .arts .rec .info How many of these would fit into the .org (or even .us) domains? .nom Nah. Just not classy enough. Now, a .nym TLD... :-) > They also think the new domain names will "fragment" the > Internet, leaving some users unable to communicate with others, if a > server does not recognize the name request. How so? AlterNIC et al. aren't exactly globally recognized anyway. If we're going to have more TLDs, it's at least less "bad" to have them coming from the place where names have been coming from anyway (InterNIC). No matter what, it'll be a long time before _any_ new TLDs are universally recognized, just because somewhere, someone's sysadmin is asleep at the wheel. (Probably at my ISP :) dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAwUBMvuybnEZTZHwCEpFAQGKFwf5AbWTx3mWlJ7QOsHnegxAb9Q9y5Dhi1EH If7qLWlZYPerjmWlSE72isintDADDdh81d9xyPJ1kYtR9KRE5p0WAbL5pf2sl6eT g7Z1LzS449cHesEmoSATeaDc0I0kqKVAxVUNyJxfraf6gGGquw2EpLtKZME6tV8o ESZEkXFp5bdKC3+Vf1PiuTixjnpDrgUhNshUB0xCKFDgYqGGAEoKSVO8cEYWNE4o VAH7eH537etNjnnE/r15BxHt9I3BxEU5lxM8/cuwpHKOSouGnghpLyAB426gllc4 PZNj6WhM/trkUkBj3BBWduB8DR4gwhPl71g1665IyLWMDpOLeItSpA== =4zWF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: automated moderation system
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:15 PM 2/7/97 -0800, you wrote: [... re: a auto moderations system...] >now, the mailing list works as follows. people always receive >posts from people they put on their "pass" lists. mail from >entities on their "zap" lists is always trashed. This much, you can do on your own. Just filter "zap" messages to /dev/null or somesuch. (But I see its purpose; keep reading.) [... using other's pass/zap lists as reputation markers...] It's a good idea in theory, but would put a lot of load on the server. For every message * every list subscriber, it has to _at_least_ look up the pass/zap criteria, and possibly do some number- crunching based on the whole database of pass/zap lists, and keep track of how long each message has been sitting in the queue and its ratings by other people. Also, Mallet could skew the reputations by subscribing with a dozen other addresses (which M. created just to get the extra "votes"), decide to have all of them "zap" Alice, and then Bob might never see Alice's intelligent and thoughtful messages. (Presumably, Mallet keeps the bogus addresses subscribed, just dumping all mail into the bitbucket; any user who leaves the list shouldn't have any weight in the calculations any longer.) This also doesn't even address anonymous remailers; Chuck and Dave might both use the same remailer, even though Chuck only posts good, meaningful messages (in whatever context) and Dave only posts flaming ASCII art :) dave (who doesn't post flaming ascii art, honest) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAwUBMvuwDnEZTZHwCEpFAQHZMwf+MNIyeFS53QW4LxZzvitFi259xEso3bXT WXfAqJx7pF8aefZ7U2hBEwPzFyBR5fJWrn4Vekpl6ZK82xJsU2x6Az9+I2D1TYH/ dMAar9S+GcPPlyJ5QegWQ04VopmGzGvDZ69lL1mkJZnl9RT3jWOdVBcmUUUSqrsz LMGdVxrglx1QIkoZu/P69RheK37HJHiTG6pSokQRQPqyU2VVEwg44yJDicPfjlke raBLk6EiA6tJ2azKMshEBLm00EjGSHLmstRDqE8x6kb2WMMgCchL9KIe9XIz7fCN o0L8fTZMME7ZF82/sacnUnzdK6sJ5oAtmgUiT7cZm7Jqo3WU0OmUOw== =mSMn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: lead remailer is shut down
by bs-org＠c2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:58 1997-02-07 -0800, Ed Falk wrote: > >Can't remailers be written with basic spam safeguards? I.e. no mass >crossposts, limited # of posts by each individual client per day, etc.? Can anybody give me the address of reliable remailer which accepts pgp messages. BTW which remailer was shut down and why?

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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:59 PM -0800 2/7/97, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: >> >>(It is true that Vulis uses the phrase "Limey faggots," in reference to >>beer-serving habits, but he does not directly insult any list members with >>this phrase. If Sandy is calling this phrase a flame, then Cypherpunks will >>be blocked from their usual characterizations of Congresscritters and NSA >>stooges.) > >TCM defending Vulis, I think I've died and am in some strange >dreamworld. hehehehe I'm arguing against two things: 1. The basic notion of centralized moderation, with the name "Cypherpunks" now closely associated with a Big Brotherish, "we know what's better for you than you do" sort of censorship. 2. The apparently careless and inconsistent way Sandy is censoring posts. As others have also noted, non-flamish posts are being sent to the Flames list. A censor who will not take the time to read the list traffic on a continuing basis, e.g., by spending the several hours a day on it that many of us spend (or used to spend), is not suited to be a censor. I suggested at the time of his self-appointment to the role of Censor that Sandy would not devote the needed time to this task. (Not that this makes censorship OK, mind you.) I'm not defending Vulis per se, and I continue to think Vulis is a twit. But one of the goals Vulis apparently set out to accomplish (just as you did a couple of years ago, Larry) was to force the list to start censoring itself, even to force the list to shut down. It seems likely that Vulis is quite happy with the outcome here. --Tim May Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Is Sandy really censoring criticisms of Stronghold, his product?
by Against Moderation 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Okay, I went through my old mail, and I'm fairly sure this is the message. I'm convinced it never went to the flames list, and now that I've found out I'm on the -unedited list after all, I think it probably didn't go to the regular cypherpunks list either. Can people on the various lists confirm this for me? Given the total lack of technical content, the flamey nature of the article, and the fact that it is verifiably false (stronghold source code is available), I can see people arguing it should have gone to -flames (though I would probably disagree). However, I don't want to debate that. What I object to more strongly and think is wrong is the fact that it went to *neither* list. A lot of people out there are subscribing to the cypherpunks-flames and cypherpunks lists thinking that they will see everything that gets rejected (albeit with a substantial delay). If this is not the case, it should be made clear. Otherwise, it's not moderation, but dishonesty. -- >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Thu Jan 30 17:26:50 1997 From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) Subject: Security alert!!! To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 16:15:21 EST Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y. Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA18833; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:17:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from uu.psi.com (uu.psi.com [38.9.86.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18824; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA02017 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 16:57:10 -0500 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 30 Jan 97 16:19:19 EST for cypherpunks(a)toad.com Comments: All power to the ZOG! Message-Id: <aw5c2D4w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Lines: 19 WARNING: There's a rogue trojan horse out there on the internet known as the "stronghold web server". It's actually a hacked-up version of Apache with a backdoor, which allows hackers (or whoever knows the backdoor) to steal credit card numbers and other confidentil information on the Internet. Be careful! Always use encryption. Do not send confidential information 9such as passwords and credit card numbers) to any site running the trojan horse "stronghold". In general, beware of "snake oil" security products and hacked-up versions of free software. Please repost this warning to all relevant computer security forums. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Crack a Mac and win a fortune.
by Martin Minow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A Swedish company, http://www.infinit.se/hacke/crack.html is offering a 10,000 Swedish Kronor reward to the first person to successfully attack (change information on) their web server. See their press release at http://www.infinit.se/hacke/release.html for details and the URL of the system to hack. Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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