July 2018 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia
by Geoffrey Goodell 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

In case it was not painfully obvious, I posted two very critical messages about the policy of Wikipedia with respect to Tor nodes. I sent one of these messages in April and another just a few hours ago. I apologize for my tone in these messages. I contributed nothing of constructive value, and if I accomplished anything it was only to further polarize the community around the two perspectives. I have neither the intellect nor the disposition to be as level-headed about this as I would like to be, but I will try. I would like to make clear that what I intended to say was that as a researcher in the area of Internet transport, I believe that Tor is a crucial first step to achieving location-independence for Internet peers. I believe in location-independence to the extent that I would like to see every host on the Internet have the ability to communicate without revealing its network address. Since my research specifically revolves around using Tor to achieve location-independence, I tend to become overly frustrated when the providers of vital Internet services impose restrictions that may reduce support for Tor among developers and the general public. We ARE on the same side. I don't think that anyone on this list would question that Roger, Nick, and Jimbo have all worked hard to make the world a better place, and that to a significant extent, their visions of a better world have already been achieved as a result of their efforts. In the absence of a better solution, I am glad that Wikipedia blocks Tor nodes, since otherwise the world would quickly lose an important resource (and Tor would be blamed). In particular, the continued success of the Wikipedia project depends upon articles being accurate and unvandalized, and all potential threats to this goal may rightly be considered suspect. What worries me is that as of now we have not yet ensured that users seeking location-independence would be able to edit Wikipedia articles like everyone else. I do not view the use of Tor as a form of "lurking in shadows"; I think that it represents a happier future in which the use of network-layer addresses to censor the activity of Internet peers is difficult or impossible. It is not necessary to build a user-authentication mechanism into Tor. For example, any third party can build a proxy accessible via Tor that provides authentication considered suitable by Wikipedia, and clients can use that proxy when they want to edit Wikipedia articles. A similar approach that has been widely discussed was to build an authentication mechanism into Wikipedia that would be used only for clients contacting Wikipedia via hosts that would otherwise be filtered. The problem with these two potential solutions is that we still do not have a good idea of what kinds of authentication would actually work. For example, it may be undesirable to use credit card numbers or referrals from existing users. Wikipedia seeks to achieve a certain degree of openness and availability to contributors, and it would seem that mechanisms that authenticate and verify pose a threat to this openness and availability. Might it be possible to come up with a list of technical desiderata for a potential end-to-end Wikipedia access policy? It is my feeling that if we consider the requirements carefully, we will be able to devise a solution that satisfies all of our constraints. Geoff On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 01:46:13PM -0400, Jimmy Wales wrote: > I'd like to say thanks for the invitation to join this dialogue. > > Let me tell you what I love. I love the Chinese dissident who wants to > work on Wikipedia articles in safety. I love that Wikipedia is an open > platform that allows people to have that voice, and that we can have a > positive impact on the world in large part because we don't bow to > censorship and we are willing to reach out and work with people like Tor > to empower individuals to speak, no matter what sort of oppressive > conditions they face. > > WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE. > > So it always dismays me to see conversations like this, and I think that > at least some cooler heads here will understand why I get frustrated and > why I make no apologizes for characterizing at least some people in the > Tor community as being irresponsible. > > "I share frustrations that the statements attributed to Jimmy Wales in > the record below and in previous messages seem to show some fundamental > misunderstandings and willful ignorance of Tor, and more broadly of > identity, identifiers, reputation, authentication, etc. in open > network communications" > > Willful ignorance? Not at all. What I know is that we are forced to > block Tor servers regularly due to persistent vandalism. That's a sad > fact to me. It's a difficult thing for those of us who are serious > about these issues. But the really sad thing is when elements of the > Tor community are not willing to face up to this as a legitimate and > difficult problem. > > "everyone is so worried about it, but has any one ever been successfully > been able to use tor to effectively spam anyone?" > > Yes, of course! We deal with it constantly. We have an effective means > of dealing with it: we block Tor servers from editing wikipedia. But is > that what any of us want? > > "Misbehaviour is in the eye of the observer, however." > > No, actually it isn't. There is such a thing as objectively > identifiable malicious behavior. We aren't Chinese censors here. We're > the good guys. We want to work with you. > > Yes, we could implement tight security to only allow people who identify > themselves (perhaps we'll require a credit card number, someone > suggests?)... but *cough*, aren't we supposed to care about privacy here? > > --Jimbo ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]

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Lucrative update
by Patrick 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Lucrative release 4 is out. I know many people are used to seeing releases numbered like "0.000001", "0.000002", "2.0.3.0.14.657" etc. but release numbering systems are essentially arbitrary in nature so don't get excited as Lucrative goes toward version 50+. This release is a fairly minor one, but included some changes such as the client name that I wanted to get out as soon as possible. There is also a new development weblog at http://lucrative.thirdhost.com/weblog/. I went through an install with someone over IRC last night and made a blog entry summarizing the install notes. I recommend reading the notes before attempting an install. I am glad to help with an install, drop me a note at patrick(a)lfcgate.com if you have trouble. Some documentation on the various entities in the Lucrative system is now available on the website, http://lucrative.thirdhost.com/documentation.php but more is needed and coming. If Lucrative is interesting to you, please consider helping in any way you can: Feedback Installation reports Suggestions Comments Criticism Feature requests Source code patches Donations Are all very much welcomed. And criticism is more useful to me than praise. My sincere thanks to everyone who has participated so far by installing, testing, providing feedback, spreading the word, and donating. And finally I just received word from SourceForge that the project registration for Lucrative has been approved. Regards, Patrick -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> mQGiBD5ECKcRBADUvjXHwLtxIyS4AyjBs/dFtN6rdeP18Fhzh1hD5fJwkFevqY9Z I1ASROTh6eXYF7pU5sEvbcPshHyTB41ZtTqZvQvpwWN0fUzOuutuI0mtC5UPp9Rz j47SdWLdEXNHjwnHDCYSyqtqZu8GujGRQybR0eP3NIh/NwbSDUKdgz7IjwCg//Jo UtjP3zUFobm/0UYA+CJ5krED/091x9Js0gwNwvjbzM8DqO+r8qNz0kXI13FkrPRk QNd37lxt6m2m8HZD1WYM2wKwtMzHSwJcWzaDZ/tNc+ppYjzpw0EQCh9FqjGs8Vau guF6PA1M8lJTCcLKaL4e7ynic+PAw5Xa/tdOYgFCG+eLMU5RLvzRCYoOLIjgMJLJ yG98BACAMlDmFVYgC/UKvzZmHfZ5CtCKd8sPfCXrYLu5NeFRE0LR6D6zjzmhi1xX okfreR5o3T/y78VBM98js+m2/+7Z0AElqydeW/RnV1zqwDGjDr9z2MgARf3yLAbs n3BU8Fz61RwvHy6cRkT+2dR2f69QQUSpkupvLwZIGX/iwm4uKLQdUGF0cmljayA8 cGF0cmlja0BsZmNnYXRlLmNvbT6JAE4EEBECAA4FAj5ECKcECwMCAQIZAQAKCRBb mvb9yuOVfaA2AKDAu5tDj9F2KI8cJMrKKkQRAcUyxACg6/bei7lUJH+E5igJqGRx SjKrRA65BA0EPkQIpxAQAPkYoH5aBmF6Q5CV3AVsh4bsYezNRR8O2OCjecbJ3HoL rOQ/40aUtjBKU9d8AhZIgLUV5SmZqZ8HdNP/46HFliBOmGW42A3uEF2rthccUdhQ yiJXQym+lehWKzh4XAvb+ExN1eOqRsz7zhfoKp0UYeOEqU/Rg4Soebbvj6dDRgjG zB13VyQ4SuLE8OiOE2eXTpITYfbb6yUOF/32mPfIfHmwch04dfv2wXPEgxEmK0Ng w+Po1gr9oSgmC66prrNlD6IAUwGgfNaroxIe+g8qzh90hE/K8xfzpEDp19J3tkIt AjbBJstoXp18mAkKjX4t7eRdefXUkk+bGI78KqdLfDL2Qle3CH8IF3KiutapQvMF 6PlTETlPtvFuuUs4INoBp1ajFOmPQFXz0AfGy0OplK33TGSGSfgMg71l6RfUodNQ +PVZX9x2Uk89PY3bzpnhV5JZzf24rnRPxfx2vIPFRzBhznzJZv8V+bv9kV7HAarT W56NoKVyOtQa8L9GAFgr5fSI/VhOSdvNILSd5JEHNmszbDgNRR0PfIizHHxbLY72 88kjwEPwpVsYjY67VYy4XTjTNP18F1dDox0YbN4zISy1Kv884bEpQBgRjXyEpwpy 1obEAxnIByl6ypUM2Zafq9AKUJsCRtMIPWakXUGfnHy9iUsiGSa6q6Jew1XrPdYX AAICD/wKwtF7Y4NKBe8PQ6jDbjWziiTv9Ac/EnRTJDQEoqgLa2LyE+6Ahw/VPGvp mfxkD2MKxC9E7kYVmasn6sHnSpvAv3e7O1Bqbo/qLzzCcJQ5VCurZ+elRM1GZ4Oc fM19FPKutb0/JFEv0nrqS4BGkF7WFBbu5dKYl/GIO7Co1mAerFIb719dOwMPVEIz OT08u8uB9jyR8gEElf+CVuNfOUkrUGg4HS4SbmTTrCSz3/8n5PkquSuAyjCB/dwM ZsZwA0/TTR8sDYlmlf9xPj5PGpGnV9OUwfig6eE0eWtRFeasmz0uiX+yp45ABtNh 6EXP/PFaBgXi9omXXjeeFYfpDvmfA6izvTIQfXTV6V9ZWrBfXarM+GQ+6guXWVbd 9fXvmCr982LkzuKQrK1OpRXBMUapXL+tOy/LYzz91InqKKhgPNGa12fvotZ4LzlM iqoM+Hpz5L9B5We1Ph0lD6RBVXDCqd+P8extnY/7AaDy7tC0UghaAaUuEZXJQPIc oQ3QGbpjM0nGe/VZN5EZhljau0NNENFaU56cOpvOhcO04gLGNNc2NS+rIpTMsaHh o1CG90c5zZZJuUbyx0mIHriNQXDgEwunSZPQorKK9KSppyyjeuOyi5F/mBBPXeyT weLhLqLvAr9se/+Z3aQvMADJi8zUZtGggLTw+N9R5XSwtSh2R4kARgQYEQIABgUC PkQIpwAKCRBbmvb9yuOVfWayAKC+mBhHdn1XZ5uH0RocAyJ32hx2kgCePyhB+IqM TjWLDLarQxcPYhbkFi4= =nx1M -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Re: [FoRK] moar change we can believe in!
by J. Andrew Rogers 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Koen Holtman wrote: >In my day job I work a bit on pervasive networked sensors and RFID. >In >fact the introduction of these has been less rapid than I would have >predicted 5-10 years ago. When you get down to it, making a solid >business case to roll out this type of technology on a massive scale >is >not that easy. What we really need is an irrational sensor bubble >but I >am not holding my breath. Oddly, I've never had to deal with RFID sensors, but an important point is that the vast number of exploitable sensor networks were never rolled out or designed with any use in mind except very narrow and purely benign cases. It is the ability to aggregate and integrate these myriad special-purpose sensor networks that no one would ever consider to be Big-Brother-esque that creates the most potential. >The actually existing scary pervasive network-connected sensor >device is >otherwise known as the internet enabled mobile phone. Data mining >user-generated internet traffic is also a lot easier than collecting >lots >of camera/sound/sensor/rfid data and correlating it to people >afterwards. >The good news is that, at least for this type of scary pervasive >sensor, >the companies that are technically best placed to capture and mine all >data generated are still somewhat regulated when it comes to privacy. Mobile phones are a great source, though I think you overestimate the extent to which they are regulated for privacy, but you could eliminate directly monitoring mobile phones at the source without significantly reducing the amount of information available. Mobile phones are the most visible source, but far from a necessary one. >Nevertheless technology is on a path where it becomes more and more >easy >for institutions to gather massive amounts of data about individuals. >This is a threat to the correct functioning of states and markets, >because >it creates new opportunities to game the system for the benefit of a >few. More accurately, the perceived threat is that it creates opportunities for people *other* than the entrenched interests. >- All data about me is my own property, not the property of the >people who >managed to collect it. Defining "data about me" is damn tricky, and anything that remains is susceptible to esoteric analytics that can extract "data about me". >- If buyer and seller have hugely different access to information you >cannot have a fair market. That is not the definition of a fair market. Also, what is germane information with respect to a market is very much in the eye of the beholder. One man's crap data is another man's gold mine. _______________________________________________ FoRK mailing list http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [FoRK] moar change we can believe in!
by J. Andrew Rogers 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Koen Holtman wrote: >In my day job I work a bit on pervasive networked sensors and RFID. >In >fact the introduction of these has been less rapid than I would have >predicted 5-10 years ago. When you get down to it, making a solid >business case to roll out this type of technology on a massive scale >is >not that easy. What we really need is an irrational sensor bubble >but I >am not holding my breath. Oddly, I've never had to deal with RFID sensors, but an important point is that the vast number of exploitable sensor networks were never rolled out or designed with any use in mind except very narrow and purely benign cases. It is the ability to aggregate and integrate these myriad special-purpose sensor networks that no one would ever consider to be Big-Brother-esque that creates the most potential. >The actually existing scary pervasive network-connected sensor >device is >otherwise known as the internet enabled mobile phone. Data mining >user-generated internet traffic is also a lot easier than collecting >lots >of camera/sound/sensor/rfid data and correlating it to people >afterwards. >The good news is that, at least for this type of scary pervasive >sensor, >the companies that are technically best placed to capture and mine all >data generated are still somewhat regulated when it comes to privacy. Mobile phones are a great source, though I think you overestimate the extent to which they are regulated for privacy, but you could eliminate directly monitoring mobile phones at the source without significantly reducing the amount of information available. Mobile phones are the most visible source, but far from a necessary one. >Nevertheless technology is on a path where it becomes more and more >easy >for institutions to gather massive amounts of data about individuals. >This is a threat to the correct functioning of states and markets, >because >it creates new opportunities to game the system for the benefit of a >few. More accurately, the perceived threat is that it creates opportunities for people *other* than the entrenched interests. >- All data about me is my own property, not the property of the >people who >managed to collect it. Defining "data about me" is damn tricky, and anything that remains is susceptible to esoteric analytics that can extract "data about me". >- If buyer and seller have hugely different access to information you >cannot have a fair market. That is not the definition of a fair market. Also, what is germane information with respect to a market is very much in the eye of the beholder. One man's crap data is another man's gold mine. _______________________________________________ FoRK mailing list http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [p2p-hackers] A globally distributed peer-to-peer data archive
by Wes Felter 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On 8/26/11 5:40 AM, Michael Rogers wrote: > If you want to know what's actually standing in the way of a global p2p > filesystem, try to persuade your technically minded friends to use Tahoe > (or Freenet, or OceanStore, or CFS, or PAST, or FARSITE) for sharing > files. Make a note of the problems they run into and solve them all. > Repeat the process with your less technically minded friends. Once > you've solved all their problems, open some champagne because you've > achieved more than a decade's worth of p2p research. ;-) It would be a shame to solve all the practical problems and only then discover that your architecture is wrong. :-) That's why I think people are interested in doing thought experiments first. (OTOH, it's kind of pointless to discover the right architecture if you'll never have the resources to implement it right.) Personally, the TFS paper convinced me to give up on P2P storage until we get FTTH. http://www.cs.umass.edu/~emery/pubs/TFS.pdf Wes Felter _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers(a)lists.zooko.com http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[drone-list] NYT: How much UAV surveillance are you comfortable with?
by Jonathan Hutson 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

The New York Times February 17, 2012 Drones Set Sights on U.S. Skies By NICK WINGFIELD<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/w/nick_wingfield…>and SOMINI SENGUPTA<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/somini_sengupt…> WOODLAND HILLS, Calif. b Daniel GC!ratebs career came crashing to earth a few weeks ago. Thatbs when the Los Angeles Police Department warned local real estate agents not to hire photographers like Mr. GC!rate, who was helping sell luxury property by using a drone<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/u/unmanned_aer…>to shoot sumptuous aerial movies. Flying drones for commercial purposes, the police said, violated federal aviation rules. b I was paying the bills with this,b said Mr. GC!rate, who recently gave an unpaid demonstration of his drone in this Southern California suburb. His career will soon get back on track. A new federal law, signed by the president on Tuesday, compels the Federal Aviation Administration<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal…>to allow drones to be used for all sorts of commercial endeavors b from selling real estate and dusting crops, to monitoring oil spills<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/o/oil_spills/i…>and wildlife, even shooting Hollywood films. Local police and emergency services will also be freer to send up their own drones. But while businesses, and drone manufacturers especially, are celebrating the opening of the skies to these unmanned aerial vehicles, the law raises new worries about how much detail the drones will capture about lives down below b and what will be done with that information. Safety concerns like midair collisions and property damage on the ground are also an issue. American courts have generally permitted surveillance of private property from public airspace. But scholars of privacy law expect that the likely proliferation of drones will force Americans to re-examine how much surveillance they are comfortable with. b As privacy law stands today, you donbt have a reasonable expectation of privacy while out in public, nor almost anywhere visible from a public vantage,b said Ryan Calo, director of privacy and robotics at the Center for Internet and Society at Stanford University. b I donbt think this doctrine makes sense, and I think the widespread availability of drones will drive home why to lawmakers, courts and the public.b Some questions likely to come up: Can a drone flying over a house pick up heat from a lamp used to grow marijuana<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/m/marijuana/in…>inside, or take pictures from outside someonebs third-floor fire escape? Can images taken from a drone be sold to a third party, and how long can they be kept? Drone proponents say the privacy concerns are overblown. Randy McDaniel, chief deputy of the Montgomery County Sheriffbs Department in Conroe, Tex., near Houston, whose agency bought a drone to use for various law enforcement operations, dismissed worries about surveillance, saying everyone everywhere can be photographed with cellphone cameras anyway. b We donbt spy on people,b he said. b We worry about criminal elements.b Still, the American Civil Liberties Union and other advocacy groups are calling for new protections against what the A.C.L.U. has said could be b routine aerial surveillance of American life.b Under the new law, within 90 days, the F.A.A. must allow police and first responders to fly drones under 4.4 pounds, as long as they keep them under an altitude of 400 feet and meet other requirements. The agency must also allow for b the safe integrationb of all kinds of drones into American airspace, including those for commercial uses, by Sept. 30, 2015. And it must come up with a plan for certifying operators and handling airspace safety issues, among other rules. The new law, part of a broader financing bill for the F.A.A., came after intense lobbying by drone makers and potential customers. The agency probably will not be making privacy rules for drones. Although federal law until now had prohibited drones except for recreational use or for some waiver-specific law enforcement purposes, the agency has issued only warnings, never penalties, for unauthorized uses, a spokeswoman said. The agency was reviewing the lawbs language, the spokeswoman said. For drone makers, the change in the law comes at a particularly good time. With the winding-down of the war in Afghanistan, where drones have been used to gather intelligence and fire missiles, these manufacturers have been awaiting lucrative new opportunities at home. The market for drones is valued at $5.9 billion and is expected to double in the next decade, according to industry figures. Drones can cost millions of dollars for the most sophisticated varieties to as little as $300 for one that can be piloted from an iPhone<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/i/iphone/index…>. b We see a huge potential market,b said Ben Gielow of the Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International, a drone maker trade group. For Patrick Egan, who represents small businesses and others in his work for the Remote Control Aerial Photography Association in Sacramento, the new law also canbt come fast enough. Until 2007, when the federal agency began warning<http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/reg/media/frnotice_uas.pdf>against nonrecreational use of drones, he made up to $2,000 an hour using a drone to photograph crops for farmers, helping them spot irrigation leaks. b Ibve got organic farmers screaming for me to come out,b he said. The Montgomery County Sheriffbs Department in Texas bought its 50-pound drone in October from Vanguard Defense Industries, a company founded by Michael Buscher, who built drones for the army, and then sold them to an oil company whose ships were threatened by pirates in the Gulf of Aden. The company custom-built the drone, which takes pictures by day and senses heat sources at night. It cost $300,000, a fraction of the cost of a helicopter. Mr. McDaniel said his SWAT team could use it for reconnaissance, or to manage road traffic after a big accident. He said he regretted that he didnbt have it a few months ago, to search for a missing person in a densely wooded area. Mr. Buscher, meanwhile, said he was negotiating with several police agencies. b There is tremendous potential,b he said. b We see agencies dipping their toes.b The possibilities for drones appear limitless. Last year, Cy Brown of Bunkie, La., began hunting feral pigs at night by outfitting a model airplane with a heat-sensing camera that soared around his brotherbs rice farm, feeding live aerial images of the pigs to Mr. Brown on the ground. Mr. Brown relayed the pigsb locations by radio to a friend with a shotgun. He calls his plane the Dehogaflier<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peVeKto-00E>, and says it saves him time wandering in the muck looking for skittish pigs. b Now you can know in 15 minutes if itbs worth going out,b said Mr. Brown, an electrical engineer. Earlier this month, in Woodland Hills, Mr. GC!rate, the photographer, demonstrated his drone by flicking a hand-held joystick and sending the $5,000 machine hovering high above a tennis court. A camera beneath the drone recorded lush, high-definition video of the surrounding property. Bill Kerbox, a real estate agent in Malibu who hired Mr. GC!rate for several shoots before the L.A.P.D. crackdown, said that aerial video had helped him stand out from his competitors, and that the loss of it had been painful. Mr. GC!rate, for now, plans to work mainly in his native Peru, where he has used his drone to shoot commercials for banks. He said he was approached by paparazzi last year about filming the reality television star Kim Kardashianbs wedding using a drone, but turned down the offer. b Maybe the F.A.A. should give a driverbs license for this, with a flight test,b he said. b Do a background check to make sure Ibm not a terrorist.b -- Jonathan Hutson Director of Communications Enough Project 1333 H St., 10th Floor Washington, DC 20005 www.enoughproject.org Mobile: +1-202-386-1618 Skype: jjhutson _______________________________________________ drone-list mailing list drone-list(a)lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/drone-list If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Lucrative update
by Patrick 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Lucrative release 4 is out. I know many people are used to seeing releases numbered like "0.000001", "0.000002", "2.0.3.0.14.657" etc. but release numbering systems are essentially arbitrary in nature so don't get excited as Lucrative goes toward version 50+. This release is a fairly minor one, but included some changes such as the client name that I wanted to get out as soon as possible. There is also a new development weblog at http://lucrative.thirdhost.com/weblog/. I went through an install with someone over IRC last night and made a blog entry summarizing the install notes. I recommend reading the notes before attempting an install. I am glad to help with an install, drop me a note at patrick(a)lfcgate.com if you have trouble. Some documentation on the various entities in the Lucrative system is now available on the website, http://lucrative.thirdhost.com/documentation.php but more is needed and coming. If Lucrative is interesting to you, please consider helping in any way you can: Feedback Installation reports Suggestions Comments Criticism Feature requests Source code patches Donations Are all very much welcomed. And criticism is more useful to me than praise. My sincere thanks to everyone who has participated so far by installing, testing, providing feedback, spreading the word, and donating. And finally I just received word from SourceForge that the project registration for Lucrative has been approved. Regards, Patrick -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> mQGiBD5ECKcRBADUvjXHwLtxIyS4AyjBs/dFtN6rdeP18Fhzh1hD5fJwkFevqY9Z I1ASROTh6eXYF7pU5sEvbcPshHyTB41ZtTqZvQvpwWN0fUzOuutuI0mtC5UPp9Rz j47SdWLdEXNHjwnHDCYSyqtqZu8GujGRQybR0eP3NIh/NwbSDUKdgz7IjwCg//Jo UtjP3zUFobm/0UYA+CJ5krED/091x9Js0gwNwvjbzM8DqO+r8qNz0kXI13FkrPRk QNd37lxt6m2m8HZD1WYM2wKwtMzHSwJcWzaDZ/tNc+ppYjzpw0EQCh9FqjGs8Vau guF6PA1M8lJTCcLKaL4e7ynic+PAw5Xa/tdOYgFCG+eLMU5RLvzRCYoOLIjgMJLJ yG98BACAMlDmFVYgC/UKvzZmHfZ5CtCKd8sPfCXrYLu5NeFRE0LR6D6zjzmhi1xX okfreR5o3T/y78VBM98js+m2/+7Z0AElqydeW/RnV1zqwDGjDr9z2MgARf3yLAbs n3BU8Fz61RwvHy6cRkT+2dR2f69QQUSpkupvLwZIGX/iwm4uKLQdUGF0cmljayA8 cGF0cmlja0BsZmNnYXRlLmNvbT6JAE4EEBECAA4FAj5ECKcECwMCAQIZAQAKCRBb mvb9yuOVfaA2AKDAu5tDj9F2KI8cJMrKKkQRAcUyxACg6/bei7lUJH+E5igJqGRx SjKrRA65BA0EPkQIpxAQAPkYoH5aBmF6Q5CV3AVsh4bsYezNRR8O2OCjecbJ3HoL rOQ/40aUtjBKU9d8AhZIgLUV5SmZqZ8HdNP/46HFliBOmGW42A3uEF2rthccUdhQ yiJXQym+lehWKzh4XAvb+ExN1eOqRsz7zhfoKp0UYeOEqU/Rg4Soebbvj6dDRgjG zB13VyQ4SuLE8OiOE2eXTpITYfbb6yUOF/32mPfIfHmwch04dfv2wXPEgxEmK0Ng w+Po1gr9oSgmC66prrNlD6IAUwGgfNaroxIe+g8qzh90hE/K8xfzpEDp19J3tkIt AjbBJstoXp18mAkKjX4t7eRdefXUkk+bGI78KqdLfDL2Qle3CH8IF3KiutapQvMF 6PlTETlPtvFuuUs4INoBp1ajFOmPQFXz0AfGy0OplK33TGSGSfgMg71l6RfUodNQ +PVZX9x2Uk89PY3bzpnhV5JZzf24rnRPxfx2vIPFRzBhznzJZv8V+bv9kV7HAarT W56NoKVyOtQa8L9GAFgr5fSI/VhOSdvNILSd5JEHNmszbDgNRR0PfIizHHxbLY72 88kjwEPwpVsYjY67VYy4XTjTNP18F1dDox0YbN4zISy1Kv884bEpQBgRjXyEpwpy 1obEAxnIByl6ypUM2Zafq9AKUJsCRtMIPWakXUGfnHy9iUsiGSa6q6Jew1XrPdYX AAICD/wKwtF7Y4NKBe8PQ6jDbjWziiTv9Ac/EnRTJDQEoqgLa2LyE+6Ahw/VPGvp mfxkD2MKxC9E7kYVmasn6sHnSpvAv3e7O1Bqbo/qLzzCcJQ5VCurZ+elRM1GZ4Oc fM19FPKutb0/JFEv0nrqS4BGkF7WFBbu5dKYl/GIO7Co1mAerFIb719dOwMPVEIz OT08u8uB9jyR8gEElf+CVuNfOUkrUGg4HS4SbmTTrCSz3/8n5PkquSuAyjCB/dwM ZsZwA0/TTR8sDYlmlf9xPj5PGpGnV9OUwfig6eE0eWtRFeasmz0uiX+yp45ABtNh 6EXP/PFaBgXi9omXXjeeFYfpDvmfA6izvTIQfXTV6V9ZWrBfXarM+GQ+6guXWVbd 9fXvmCr982LkzuKQrK1OpRXBMUapXL+tOy/LYzz91InqKKhgPNGa12fvotZ4LzlM iqoM+Hpz5L9B5We1Ph0lD6RBVXDCqd+P8extnY/7AaDy7tC0UghaAaUuEZXJQPIc oQ3QGbpjM0nGe/VZN5EZhljau0NNENFaU56cOpvOhcO04gLGNNc2NS+rIpTMsaHh o1CG90c5zZZJuUbyx0mIHriNQXDgEwunSZPQorKK9KSppyyjeuOyi5F/mBBPXeyT weLhLqLvAr9se/+Z3aQvMADJi8zUZtGggLTw+N9R5XSwtSh2R4kARgQYEQIABgUC PkQIpwAKCRBbmvb9yuOVfWayAKC+mBhHdn1XZ5uH0RocAyJ32hx2kgCePyhB+IqM TjWLDLarQxcPYhbkFi4= =nx1M -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Re: [p2p-hackers] A globally distributed peer-to-peer data archive
by Wes Felter 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On 8/26/11 5:40 AM, Michael Rogers wrote: > If you want to know what's actually standing in the way of a global p2p > filesystem, try to persuade your technically minded friends to use Tahoe > (or Freenet, or OceanStore, or CFS, or PAST, or FARSITE) for sharing > files. Make a note of the problems they run into and solve them all. > Repeat the process with your less technically minded friends. Once > you've solved all their problems, open some champagne because you've > achieved more than a decade's worth of p2p research. ;-) It would be a shame to solve all the practical problems and only then discover that your architecture is wrong. :-) That's why I think people are interested in doing thought experiments first. (OTOH, it's kind of pointless to discover the right architecture if you'll never have the resources to implement it right.) Personally, the TFS paper convinced me to give up on P2P storage until we get FTTH. http://www.cs.umass.edu/~emery/pubs/TFS.pdf Wes Felter _______________________________________________ p2p-hackers mailing list p2p-hackers(a)lists.zooko.com http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[drone-list] NYT: How much UAV surveillance are you comfortable with?
by Jonathan Hutson 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

The New York Times February 17, 2012 Drones Set Sights on U.S. Skies By NICK WINGFIELD<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/w/nick_wingfield…>and SOMINI SENGUPTA<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/somini_sengupt…> WOODLAND HILLS, Calif. b Daniel GC!ratebs career came crashing to earth a few weeks ago. Thatbs when the Los Angeles Police Department warned local real estate agents not to hire photographers like Mr. GC!rate, who was helping sell luxury property by using a drone<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/u/unmanned_aer…>to shoot sumptuous aerial movies. Flying drones for commercial purposes, the police said, violated federal aviation rules. b I was paying the bills with this,b said Mr. GC!rate, who recently gave an unpaid demonstration of his drone in this Southern California suburb. His career will soon get back on track. A new federal law, signed by the president on Tuesday, compels the Federal Aviation Administration<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal…>to allow drones to be used for all sorts of commercial endeavors b from selling real estate and dusting crops, to monitoring oil spills<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/o/oil_spills/i…>and wildlife, even shooting Hollywood films. Local police and emergency services will also be freer to send up their own drones. But while businesses, and drone manufacturers especially, are celebrating the opening of the skies to these unmanned aerial vehicles, the law raises new worries about how much detail the drones will capture about lives down below b and what will be done with that information. Safety concerns like midair collisions and property damage on the ground are also an issue. American courts have generally permitted surveillance of private property from public airspace. But scholars of privacy law expect that the likely proliferation of drones will force Americans to re-examine how much surveillance they are comfortable with. b As privacy law stands today, you donbt have a reasonable expectation of privacy while out in public, nor almost anywhere visible from a public vantage,b said Ryan Calo, director of privacy and robotics at the Center for Internet and Society at Stanford University. b I donbt think this doctrine makes sense, and I think the widespread availability of drones will drive home why to lawmakers, courts and the public.b Some questions likely to come up: Can a drone flying over a house pick up heat from a lamp used to grow marijuana<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/m/marijuana/in…>inside, or take pictures from outside someonebs third-floor fire escape? Can images taken from a drone be sold to a third party, and how long can they be kept? Drone proponents say the privacy concerns are overblown. Randy McDaniel, chief deputy of the Montgomery County Sheriffbs Department in Conroe, Tex., near Houston, whose agency bought a drone to use for various law enforcement operations, dismissed worries about surveillance, saying everyone everywhere can be photographed with cellphone cameras anyway. b We donbt spy on people,b he said. b We worry about criminal elements.b Still, the American Civil Liberties Union and other advocacy groups are calling for new protections against what the A.C.L.U. has said could be b routine aerial surveillance of American life.b Under the new law, within 90 days, the F.A.A. must allow police and first responders to fly drones under 4.4 pounds, as long as they keep them under an altitude of 400 feet and meet other requirements. The agency must also allow for b the safe integrationb of all kinds of drones into American airspace, including those for commercial uses, by Sept. 30, 2015. And it must come up with a plan for certifying operators and handling airspace safety issues, among other rules. The new law, part of a broader financing bill for the F.A.A., came after intense lobbying by drone makers and potential customers. The agency probably will not be making privacy rules for drones. Although federal law until now had prohibited drones except for recreational use or for some waiver-specific law enforcement purposes, the agency has issued only warnings, never penalties, for unauthorized uses, a spokeswoman said. The agency was reviewing the lawbs language, the spokeswoman said. For drone makers, the change in the law comes at a particularly good time. With the winding-down of the war in Afghanistan, where drones have been used to gather intelligence and fire missiles, these manufacturers have been awaiting lucrative new opportunities at home. The market for drones is valued at $5.9 billion and is expected to double in the next decade, according to industry figures. Drones can cost millions of dollars for the most sophisticated varieties to as little as $300 for one that can be piloted from an iPhone<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/i/iphone/index…>. b We see a huge potential market,b said Ben Gielow of the Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International, a drone maker trade group. For Patrick Egan, who represents small businesses and others in his work for the Remote Control Aerial Photography Association in Sacramento, the new law also canbt come fast enough. Until 2007, when the federal agency began warning<http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/reg/media/frnotice_uas.pdf>against nonrecreational use of drones, he made up to $2,000 an hour using a drone to photograph crops for farmers, helping them spot irrigation leaks. b Ibve got organic farmers screaming for me to come out,b he said. The Montgomery County Sheriffbs Department in Texas bought its 50-pound drone in October from Vanguard Defense Industries, a company founded by Michael Buscher, who built drones for the army, and then sold them to an oil company whose ships were threatened by pirates in the Gulf of Aden. The company custom-built the drone, which takes pictures by day and senses heat sources at night. It cost $300,000, a fraction of the cost of a helicopter. Mr. McDaniel said his SWAT team could use it for reconnaissance, or to manage road traffic after a big accident. He said he regretted that he didnbt have it a few months ago, to search for a missing person in a densely wooded area. Mr. Buscher, meanwhile, said he was negotiating with several police agencies. b There is tremendous potential,b he said. b We see agencies dipping their toes.b The possibilities for drones appear limitless. Last year, Cy Brown of Bunkie, La., began hunting feral pigs at night by outfitting a model airplane with a heat-sensing camera that soared around his brotherbs rice farm, feeding live aerial images of the pigs to Mr. Brown on the ground. Mr. Brown relayed the pigsb locations by radio to a friend with a shotgun. He calls his plane the Dehogaflier<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peVeKto-00E>, and says it saves him time wandering in the muck looking for skittish pigs. b Now you can know in 15 minutes if itbs worth going out,b said Mr. Brown, an electrical engineer. Earlier this month, in Woodland Hills, Mr. GC!rate, the photographer, demonstrated his drone by flicking a hand-held joystick and sending the $5,000 machine hovering high above a tennis court. A camera beneath the drone recorded lush, high-definition video of the surrounding property. Bill Kerbox, a real estate agent in Malibu who hired Mr. GC!rate for several shoots before the L.A.P.D. crackdown, said that aerial video had helped him stand out from his competitors, and that the loss of it had been painful. Mr. GC!rate, for now, plans to work mainly in his native Peru, where he has used his drone to shoot commercials for banks. He said he was approached by paparazzi last year about filming the reality television star Kim Kardashianbs wedding using a drone, but turned down the offer. b Maybe the F.A.A. should give a driverbs license for this, with a flight test,b he said. b Do a background check to make sure Ibm not a terrorist.b -- Jonathan Hutson Director of Communications Enough Project 1333 H St., 10th Floor Washington, DC 20005 www.enoughproject.org Mobile: +1-202-386-1618 Skype: jjhutson _______________________________________________ drone-list mailing list drone-list(a)lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/drone-list If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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decentralized chat using CouchDB
by Kragen Javier Sitaker 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

I just sent this message to the CouchDB User mailing list instead of sleeping like I ought to be doing. ----- Forwarded message from Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen(a)canonical.org> -----

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