December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Anonymous Thread
by Charlie Comsec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Monty Cantsin wrote: > Something that I have found irritating about the posts by > non-persistent identities is that it isn't possible to support a > meaningful discussion as previous statements can always be repudiated, > or maybe even weren't made by the particular poster. I compared this > to sound bites. How is that fundamentally different from non-anonymous posts, though? You can always disavow (or attempt to) a previous post by claiming it was forged, that someone stole your password, hacked your account, or posted it when you accidentally left your terminal logged on while you were at lunch. In addition, there's nothing to stop someone from obtaining multiple e-mail accounts. So why should ten anonymous posts be an more irritating than ten posts from hotmail.com, juno.com, etc. accounts? They could be from ten different people, just one, or any number in between. > On second thought, however, there is an easy way to solve this. If > the anonymous poster accepts the context of previous messages, the > discussion can continue. There's no reason why the person behind the > virtual thread has to be the same, but the context itself is important > if we want to have interesting discussions. Agreed. It's the ideas that are important, not the identity of the person[a] expressing them. The only exception I can think of is if the person expressing the ideas is asking that they be accepted because of some unique qualification or expertise he claims to possess. > So, if you don't want to sign your messages, just acknowledge the > message ID of the relevant previous messages whose context you wish to > use. Unless that's coupled with a PGP signature, there's nothing to keep one anonymous person from impersonating another and agreeing to something. For example, if "A" is debating "B", there's nothing to stop "B" from posting as "C", claiming to be an anonymous KKK, NAMBLA, etc. member, then posting again, impersonating "A", and pretending to agree with "C" (by, as you say, "acknowledging C's message id"). Nor is it much better if "A", "B", and "C" are non-anonymous. "B" can open a throwaway account as "C", and then forge a follow-up from "A". Unless it's done among a group of people skilled at interpreting headers, it may well succeed, or at least arouse a lot of F.U.D. about "A". - --- Finger <comsec(a)nym.alias.net> for PGP public key (Key ID=19BE8B0D) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNIhcnwbp0h8ZvosNAQHsHwf9G2qBkAmpgR4+mTnsb4IHZeEDQZ8rWP7P TVQ8Z0lnfoZW6OOlXUZi2y42LRI7+j5OvCTRW4P/Yndiuiaqz0Bi7cWGt9FfLDMz gDg7g3doNMe9xDDEUsAHaAYdkPEgHub+Udd+YUKEMJMcn/o/7soPHfBQFMSK2ZqI s08+mdd0EPyM7ZN9EfIxaU7sBFpWLKhLjA6pCwqihIyBLrCVnxZd28jcOowXTCL/ +2E6eLqy4JBv8Wh00YMFjb9aw3GfXw/LImEYCVoA6OUum5uvA5eyENlGOtdDQx8/ aBmPW6cKoLAnBb2MkcxmU9rrO4lxkQNk9tHW+HBs7WfEr6u8RwWtSA== =KWVK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Censorial leftists (Was: Interesting article)
by Jonathan Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 11:44 PM 12/4/97 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote: >Abstinance is murder. > >Letting just _one_ egg miss fertilization denies that egg the chance to become >a human being. I think that the felony charge should be manslaughter for this >crime as it's not quite as bad as: > >Birth control > >Birth control is nothing more than premeditated murder, though >I think that a plea-bargain in most cases should be offered: Drop the charge >to manslaughter if the perp agrees to artificial insemination with the eggs of >some woman who is unable to get pregnant due to some medical condition. This, of course is the position of the Mormon Church, and was originally used to justify the polygamous practices of the early Mormons. Somehow this concept (as well as polygamy) was phased out by "new revelations" just like the "skin of blackness" curse on all non-whites was during the sixties. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQA/AwUBNIjXGcJF0kXqpw3MEQKYVgCg/JSiBQbEt5cH14HNUMO8oYjimfAAn0OM ZmvqXW1G1EGJKWLimP6Lfmwe =QZ6P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Jonathan Wienke PGP Key Fingerprints: 7484 2FB7 7588 ACD1 3A8F 778A 7407 2928 3312 6597 8258 9A9E D9FA 4878 C245 D245 EAA7 0DCC "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams "Stupidity is the one arena of of human achievement where most people fulfill their potential." -- Jonathan Wienke Never sign a contract that contains the phrase "first-born child." RSA export-o-matic: print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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House panel puts Clinton's private fax online
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.rollcall.com/newsscoops/leadscoop.html House Panel Puts Clinton's Private Fax on the Internet By Ed Henry and Jennifer Bradley President Clinton's private fax number was placed on the Internet by the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee for a brief time Tuesday in a breach that has infuriated White House officials. The number for the fax machine that sits right outside the Oval Office was provided to Government Reform and Oversight investigators by former Clinton political consultant Dick Morris, during an August deposition, on the condition that it be kept private. But the fax number, which Clinton uses for secure communications with old friends and people he meets during trips around the nation, was left in the deposition made public Tuesday on the Internet. "I can say on the President's behalf that he's disappointed that the committee didn't respect the confidentiality of his number," White House spokesman Mike McCurry said in an interview. "This is very troubling to the White House." After being contacted by Roll Call with the President's private number on Tuesday evening, McCurry did some checking and called back within a few minutes to declare, "Unfortunately it's a match." McCurry complained that the White House will now have to change the number and try to track down all of the disparate people who use the number. "This basically has the potential to ruin a device the President has used as a real good sounding board," he said. McCurry suggested this was an example of Government Reform and Oversight Chairman Dan Burton's (R-Ind) recklessness. [...]

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Junior Jim Bells in Training
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Two more future cypherpunks added to the list of people who will someday "McVeigh" Washington, DC. I'm surprised sending a flame to one of our elected leadership's public email addresses is not already a death penalty offense. ----- CORDOVA, Tenn. (AP) -- Two 13-year-old boys are charged with sending a threatening e-mail message over the Internet to Hillary Rodham Clinton. Contents of the electronic mail message to the president's wife haven't been released, but U.S. Secret Service agents are expected to outline them during a hearing Monday in Juvenile Court. The youngsters, whose names have not been released, are charged with threatening and harassing Mrs. Clinton. They could face a fine, counseling, community service or detention. Officials say it's unlikely that the president's wife read the message, which was sent last month. Anyone with a computer, modem and an Internet service provider can access the White House Web Page and Mrs. Clinton's E-mail address. Her page includes photos, a biography, speeches and instructions on sending an electronic message. ``The Internet is a wonderful tool that not only enables you to better access information about the White House, but also gives us an opportunity to hear your ideas and better serve you,'' Mrs. Clinton says in the welcoming text of her Web page. Senders must include a name, address and other information about why they're writing. All senders receive an electronic message acknowledging receipt of the e-mail. It was not clear whether the boys included their own names and addresses, but authorities say tracing e-mail is relatively easy. ``We aggressively investigate any threats or incidents of unusual interest toward any of our protectees,'' said Steven Rutledge, special agent in charge of the Secret Service in this area. Cordova is about 15 miles east of Memphis. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: The Subliminal Algebra-Seinfield Conspiracy
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:45 AM 11/22/97 EST, you wrote: > >TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> writes: > >> Is it a mere coincidence that algebra.com went down and proceeded to >> send out all received messages in reverse order on the _same_day_ >> that the Seinfield TV show featured a reverse-order-plot show? > >I don't watch much TV, especially comedies. However I accidentally saw a >bit of "Seinfield" the other day and was surprise to note that they picture >Tom's restaurant, on 112th and Broadway. I worked for 7 years upstairs >from that restaurant in a very secret organization. I'm socked they even >show that building on TV. :-) > >--- > >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM >Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps > > Is Dimitri a cossack? a cossock?, a cocksock?, or just a cocksucker? Typos the bane of understanding on the net.

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Re: Tampa Pirate Radio Stations Silenced
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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10.5
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody since Nixon was been impeached for violating his oath of office by subverting the Constitution. This suggests either that everyone honors the oath or that the oath is meaningless. Suppose, in a society with a normal level of criminal behavior, there were no prosecutions for burglary. Would you infer that there were no burglaries in that society? Or would you infer, rather, that the burglary laws just weren't being enforced? When a bill is proposed in Congress, our representatives almost never ask themselves: "Where in the Constitution do we get the power to enact this measure?" Instead they presume that they have virtually any power they choose to exercise. They simply feel no tension between their will and the Constitution that is supposed to restrain them. This doesn't look much like an ethos of limited government.

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10th
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Professor George P. Fletcher of the Columbia Law School notes "Not only is [McVeigh's philosophy] in line with the conceptions held by many of the nation's founders," Mr. Fletcher writes in The New Republic, "but it lives on today in the works of an influential minority of legal scholars and advocates." Mr. Fletcher thinks the problem is that we have abandoned "the original Constitution" and adopted "a new Constitution" without facing the historical discontinuity this involves. In his words, "we do not teach this historical rupture -- not in our grade schools, not in our law schools. We are all good lawyers and therefore, like Lincoln, we pretend that the second Constitution is simply the natural continuation of the founding document." The first Constitution limited the federal government to external relations between the states, leaving alone such internal matters as slavery. The second Constitution, instituted by the Civil War, gave the federal government new powers to intervene within the states through the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments The 10th Amendment, reserving to the states and the people all powers not "delegated" to the federal government, was not repealed or even modified. So Congress' exercise of any power not granted is still a usurpation, even under the "new" Constitution.

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Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > At 11:03 PM -0700 11/21/97, Greg Broiles wrote: > >I'm starting to favor the explanation which suggests that Jim will be > >testifying at the trial(s) or before grand juries in other matters - and > >that his sentencing is postponed to ensure his cooperation, and that the > >defense isn't squealing about the successive postponements because that's > >seen as more favorable than receiving a sentence of many, many months in > >the event of noncooperation. I'm reluctant to finger anyone as a "snitch" > I expect an arrest of several of us, on typically trumped-up RICO-type > charges. Mere speech has become criminalized, through vague, speculative, > conspiracy charges. Unreliable sources indicate that the authorities are waiting for a Canadian citizen to make a previously postponed trip across the American border before closing the net. Do your Christmas shopping early! A. Fiend ^r

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