December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

10.75 - NWO
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's really a secondary matter whether the centralization of power is the result of a conscious collusion aimed at creating a world government. Conspiracies are real, and conspiratorial behavior is inseparable from politics, since politics is largely the pursuit of power by sneaky people. I don't think Abraham Lincoln intended to destroy the independence of the states when he conducted the Civil War. He merely wanted to save the Union, and he thought in terms of that immediate goal. But it doesn't matter what he meant to do. As a practical matter, his policy set the United States on a course of centralization. The Union victory meant that no state could ever secede again, regardless of how tyrannical the Union might become. That removed an essential restraint on Union -- alias "federal" -- power. I doubt that Franklin Roosevelt meant to destroy all remaining constitutional restraints on the government; he merely knocked them out of his way when necessary. In the same way, today's globalists and interventionists, forever pursuing international treaties and alliances, may think they are promoting peace and prosperity, seeing no tyrannical potential in a "new world order." But the rest of us have to worry about what these arrangements may mean for us and our children down the road. Good intentions are beside the point. What is the actual tendency of these new contracts among superstates?

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[Fwd: [cpj:265] COS] [cpj:265] COS
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

doormouse said: >igor said: > >>I am sorry for the recent interruption of the cypherpunks mailing list. >>The dog ate my computer. Then Joichi Ito ate my dog. >> >>Igor > >Igor, Japanese dont eat dog, that is the Koreans and Vietnamese. > >doormouse Perhaps they picked up the taste while they were occupying those countries in their Fascist efforts for conquest. DogMonger

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Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Clinton Sells Arlington Burials (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Clinton Sells Arlington Burials > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 97 17:31:17 EST > Having zero respect for the military and all that goes with it, I fail > to see what the big deal is. You moron, it has *NOTHING* to do with the military. IT HAS to do with citizens who died in the service of their country. The not so surprising fact is that the vast majority of those eligible are soldiers. The cemetary recognizes their INDIVIDUAL sacrifice and NOT anything to do with the US Government per se. Selling burial plots at Arlington should involve impeachment. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >The several-times delayed sentencing, with no protests from Bell's >court-appointed lawyer, tells me the Feds are trying to get some final >details lined up. Several other possibilities have circulated: 1. Jim's still ill, physically, as indicated by the docket's listing of a doctor's visit, or psychosomatically, due to the strain of indefinite incarceration and pressures of interrogation. 2. Jim is not fully cooperating, say, refusing to name others or provide evidence about his own activities or those of others. 3. Jim's behaving erratically, sometimes cooperative, sometimes defiant. 4. Jim's drawing out cooperation, negotiating for a better deal, perhaps with his attorney's advice to do so. 5. Jim is faking it, convincingly, sending the feds off on wild goose chases, working with confederates on preplanned ruses. 6. Jim is not what he appears to be, never was, and nobody gets what he's up to. The current Jim just another ploy, AP a lure. 7. Finally, no disrespect intended -- first time jail is one shitty experience, with nightmares of lonely long time sentence worse than most of us will ever know -- Jim freaks on sentencing day, shits himself, collapses, can't face what's coming, and the court mercifully delays the day reckoning. Still, there's a slim chance he's enjoying himself in Seattle or DC, working an IRS Fortier-ruse on us.

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Survey: Police Satisfaction [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > SURVEY SHOWS AMERICAN'S COMFORT WITH POLICE > > police contact November 22, 1997 > Web posted at: 7:01 p.m. EST (0001 GMT) > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- A new Justice Department survey examining the way > the public interacts with police has found that one in five > Americans makes some kind of contact with law enforcement officers > each year mostly to report a crime, ask for help or offer > assistance. > > The study, released Saturday, also found that less than 1 percent of > people who made contact with police said officers used or threatened > to use physical force. If force was used, most respondents said, > their actions may have provoked it. > > The survey reveals nothing surprising, criminal justice experts > said. They said it shows that Americans are turning to police in > situations beyond emergencies. > > "I think to many people, the one in five number seems high. But it > does emphasize the varied role police have as peace officers as > opposed to just responding to crimes," said James Alan Fox, dean of > the College of Criminal Justice at Boston's Northeastern University. > "Most of the work police do is not necessarily respond to crimes." > > However, some feel the survey fails to address factors important to > relationships police have with citizens. police directions > > "It probably doesn't really speak to the strained relations between > the police and minority communities in America," said Arthur > Lurigio, chairman of the Criminal Justice Department at Loyola > University in Chicago. > > The first-of-its-kind study was culled from data in the annual > National Criminal Victimization Survey conducted by the Bureau of > Justice Statistics. > > According to the report, one-third of the contacts between the > police and the public was related to seeking help or offering > assistance. Another third was to report a crime, either as a witness > or victim. Slightly less than one-third of respondents said the > police had initiated the contact. > > White males and people in their 20s were the most likely to have > face-to-face contact, the survey found. Hispanics and blacks were > about 70 percent as likely as whites to have interacted with the > police. > > The study was based on a survey of 6,421 people, age 12 and older, > and used a sample of residents chosen to represent an entire > population. No margin of error was given.

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Re: Clinton Sells Arlington Burials (fwd)
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate chided Dimitri: >You moron, it has *NOTHING* to do with the military. IT HAS to do with >citizens who died in the service of their country. The not so surprising >fact is that the vast majority of those eligible are soldiers. The cemetary >recognizes their INDIVIDUAL sacrifice and NOT anything to do with the US >Government per se. Selling burial plots at Arlington should involve >impeachment. I agree with Jim's acknowledement of citizen sacrifice. However, Arlington, like all military cemetaries, is maintained by DoD for its own purposes beyond recognition of the citizen-soldier. You bet it sells plots to sell plots. Some citizen-soliders, I'm one, wish to have no association with military monuments due to inside knowledge of what the military and its advocates are up to. Better to be buried unmarked in potter's field than near the grotesque themepark of The Unknown Soldier and its strutting guards. I wonder if any of the dead, if they had a say, would wish to be used for that purpose, or if its only the families and patriotic hustlers who have a stake in prettifying the horrible truth: that giving one's life, a leg, an arm, a belief in valor and sacrifice, for a treacherous, militaristic nation and economy is a nasty deal, no matter how it's monumentalized with zillions of white headstones arrayed in sylvan vales like gullible soldiers going to kill and die in bloody ignorance. Even morons grasp that these dishonorable plots are recruiting scams cooked up by the living up to no good. Excuse me for losing it, don't want a war over honor, some pissed vet to gore me with his pegleg badge of valor, some chickenshit reservist to earn a stripe.

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