December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:39 PM 11/18/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >At 9:58 PM -0700 11/18/97, William H. Geiger III wrote: > >>Well at one time there was a demand for cheap labor by US industry that >>supported the infux of immagrents. In modern times their is no such demand >>( if there were we have plenty of bums on welfare that can fill this need) > >This is actually not the case. I live between Santa Cruz and Salinas and >Monterey, home to some of the most fertile soil in the world (most of the >lettuce, strawberries, artichokes, and other vegetables consumed in the >U.S. is/are grown within 30 miles of me). Every day I see stoop laborers, >up from Jalisco or Michuchan or other provinces, glad to make more in a few >months here than they make in a few years back in Mexico. > >And every day I see bums, drifters, winos, layabouts, and derelicts, >holding up their pathetic "Will work for food" signs. (Which are lies, of >course. Anyone trying to get some decent work out of these bums will find >zilch.) > >I saw a great bumper sticker on the back of a truck filled with spray >painting gear. Driven by a black guy, interesting enough. It said: > >"I _do_ work for food." Which is precisely the issue. The US was and is dedicated to people who will do what they can without restriction. I'll take 38 wetback greasers who will work and escort every bum to the Mexican border and be proud to call those beaners Americans. (Did I overdo the namecalling?) Just because those folks south of the border get their jollies producing a dozen kids does not obligate me in the least. If they produce productive people, fine. If they once show up in the frigging welfare line, I'll show them the way to Mexico City not San Jose. ONLY if they HATE welfare and public services are they welcome. If there were such a filter at the border that worked both ways I would have it. This is not pie in the sky platitudes. We do not live in the sky. This is reality. It is real nasty down here. Wishes are not fact. Piety ain't jack shit. I appreciate the woman's desire for the best treatment for her child at the moment of birth. But for the long term, if they like the US system so damned much let them institute it in Mexico. If they want the benefits of the US system them duplicate it in Mexico. Do not ever pretend to wanting the best of both worlds where you can have two digit offspring in Mexico and the US has to pay for it. We need to get the message to them, that if you can't keep your fly shut and your legs crossed the US is not liable for your prurient interests, period, next question, over. We do not give a rat's ass how many Vatican approved babies you produce. your recourse is not in the US. If their damned economic system will not support them, that is not the responsibility of the US and do not really give a rat's ass if there are automatic weapons that kill on sight at the border. The US did not create Mexico's problems, Mexico did. If they need guns to correct it, they know where to get them. If they like the Mexican system (and we know they do) and want to use the US, reload those border guns. >>but there is a demand for cheap votes. The current Statest have been >>watching their power base erroding over the years as more and more >>Americans refuse to beleive thier socialist lies. The only way that they >>can continue in power is to import new voters who are easier to hoodwink >>and cheaper to buy. Confermation of this policy can be seen in the >>behavior of the INS durring the last election cycle where large numbers of >>immigrants were naturalized before the elections. >By the way, this massive purchase of votes is now being rolled back. >Immigration is planning to reverse many of these "instant citizenship" >deals. Too late to have an effect on Clinton's '96 election, but nothing >could have saved Dole. Fornicate Dole and the elephant he rode in on. The vote needs be a quid pro quo other than birth and living. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:52 PM 11/18/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >At 10:17 PM -0700 11/18/97, Colin A. Reed wrote: >>I think the most important constitutional protection is that of >>due-process. Thus we need to have a court proceeding to determine that >>they really are in the US without a valid visa before we can bus them out. >It's called a "Green Card," popularly. >(Remember those, "Aliens, remember that you must report to the Alien >Landing Terminal every January.") >No court proceeding is needed to deport illegal aliens, save for a >perfunctory classification hearing to determine whether or not they have a >Green Card. "Minor" point here. They are required to return on the hearing date after arrainment. Would you care to guess just how many illegals appear for the hearing? Can you tell the difference between legals and illegals? and if so how? -=-=- The difference between Wiesenthal and Zundel is the latter does not charge $90,000US a year to use his name.

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[Fwd: *DLS Lecture -Robert Morris - NSA - Tomorrow*]
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:31:13 -0500 From: Richard Lethin <lethin(a)etcons.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Subject: [Fwd: *DLS Lecture -Robert Morris - NSA - Tomorrow*] Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Richard Lethin <lethin(a)etcons.com> Return-Path: <bbarry(a)hq.lcs.mit.edu> Received: from life.ai.mit.edu (life.ai.mit.edu [128.52.32.80]) by deer-park.etcons.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10234 for <lethin(a)etcons.com>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from LCS.MIT.EDU (mintaka.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.36]) by life.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/AI1.15/ai.master.life:1.18) with SMTP id KAA24223; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hq.lcs.mit.edu by MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU id aa27207; 19 Nov 97 10:18 EST Received: from [18.49.0.239] (bronte-mac.lcs.mit.edu) by hq.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/NSCS-1.0S) id AA15548; Wed, 19 Nov 97 10:18:30 EST Message-Id: <v03020905b098a38d820a(a)[18.49.0.239]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:17:47 -0400 To: seminar(a)ai.mit.edu, seminars(a)lcs.mit.edu, help-teach(a)lcs.mit.edu, assistants(a)ai.mit.edu, mas-students(a)media.mit.edu, support(a)media.mit.edu, eecsfaculty(a)eecs.mit.edu, dchamber(a)warren.med.harvard.edu, wmurphy(a)mediaone.net, Kenneth_Burrell/CAM/Lotus(a)lotus.com, vijak(a)eecs.harvard.edu, CMCampos(a)aol.com, Stephanie_Leung(a)cmp4.ccmail.compuserve.com From: Barbara Barry <bbarry(a)hq.lcs.mit.edu> Subject: *DLS Lecture -Robert Morris - NSA - Tomorrow* (Please excuse multiple posts) *SEMINAR ANNOUNCEMENT ****************************** MIT Lab for Computer Science Distinguished Lecturer Series Thursday, November 20, 1997 Lecture, 3:30pm Location 34-101 Refreshments, 3:15pm 50 Vassar Street, Cambridge Robert Morris, National Security Agency, Retired Protection of Valuable Information Over the past few decades, there has been a considerable shift in the area of protection and exploitation of valuable information. In the past, the relevant skills were exercised by governments to protect or exploit military and diplomatic information. Nowadays, much of the interest in information protection is by individuals wishing to protect their privacy and by organizations wishing to protect their financial interests. Here are the questions that come up that are worth some thought: - does the breakup of the Soviet Union significantly reduce the exploitation of U.S. Government information? - has the world wide spread of ATMs (Automatic Teller Machines) led to a great deal of electronic theft - and, if so how are they protected? - is cryptography more important than careful handling of information and is cryptanalysis more important than burglary, bribery, and blackmail? Host: Ron Rivest *************************************************** for the DLS season schedule check out http://www.lcs.mit.edu/web_project/dls97.html *************************************************** --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Why Does the CAUCE Oppose Privacy and Anonymity? (was: Re: RESULT: com
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

krueger(a)cs.umn.edu (Alan Krueger) wrote: > >>ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes: > >> > >>>Anonymity has value that is greater than the value of CAUCE. > > > >Could someone help a rookie here? What's CAUCE and how does > >it relate to anonymity. > > It doesn't, per se, but a number of people choose to believe that. CAUCE > is the Coalition Against Unsolicted Commercial Email and supports the > banning of such unsolicited advertisements. See their web page at > http://www.cauce.org/ for more information. > > The yelling is about the proposed (now ratified) robo-moderation policy > for the *newsgroup* to discuss CAUCE issues, comp.org.cauce, which requires > that you post with a deliverable email address. This was supposed to > keep belligerant spammers and trolls from posting to the group without > having some kind of valid contact address. This was not supposed to be > anti-privacy, anti-munging, or anti-anonymity, though that is what seems > to be the big issue many people were having with it. That makes about as much sense as holding a rally to protest auto theft and requiring that each attendee leave his car UNLOCKED in the parking lot while attending. In this case, the price of admission to this "anti-UCE party" is to contribute one's e-mail address to the UCErs' mailing lists! And what, exactly, is the point of requiring "belligerant spammers and trolls" to post with a valid e-mail address? Unless they're planning to spam or mailbomb each other, they are the ones who have the least to fear from publicly broadcasting their e-mail addresses on a worldwide NG for the address harvesters to collect and exploit.

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PGP 5.5 Freeware
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: wprice(a)mail.pgp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:42:57 -0800 To: thomassr(a)erols.com From: Will Price <wprice(a)pgp.com> Subject: PGP 5.5 Freeware Cc: mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com Sender: <mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com> Precedence: Bulk Yes, a freeware version of 5.5 for Mac and Win32 will be available later today from the PGP, Inc. website. Since Linux 5.5 isn't ready yet, we're distributing source for diffs between PGP 5.0i b8 up to the final 5.0 UNIX release. Meanwhile, all the source to the Win32 and Mac versions of 5.5.2 is about to go to press. The version number of the freeware going up today is 5.5.2 as we've had a couple free updates since the main release of 5.5 Business Security. The freeware version contains information on exactly what the differences are between the Freeware, Personal Privacy, and Business Security editions of the product. -Will At 2:48 AM -0800 11/19/97, Tom Vier wrote: >> PGP 5.5 is available now, is fully compatible with MacOS 8.X, and has >> orders of magnitude more features and speed than FileCrypt. > >is there going to be a freeware version? what about source for >linux systems? Will Price, Architect/Sr. Mgr. Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. 555 Twin Dolphin Dr, Ste.570 Redwood Shores, CA 94065 Direct (650)596-1956 Main (650)572-0430 Fax (650)631-1033 Pager (310)247-6595 wprice(a)pgp.com Internet Text Paging: <mailto:1333485@roam.pagemart.net> <pgpfone://clotho.pgp.com> <http://www.pgp.com> PGPkey: <http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5797A80B> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Clinton Sells Arlington Burials
by Jonathan Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just heard on the news that Bill Clinton has been selling the right to be buried in Arlington National Cemetery (and possibly other military cemeteries) to campaign contributors. The story originally broke in the latest edition of Insight magazine yesterday. I think our Maximum Leader has stooped to a new level of sleaze, and deserves the revulsion of veterans everywhere. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQA/AwUBNHMPxsJF0kXqpw3MEQLhzwCfQaz1SSmxZQiAIDimCxUMpBP3cF8AoMv2 WQwxTE9cSYfjt+HVE5LElVfI =Z7kj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Jonathan Wienke PGP Key Fingerprints: 7484 2FB7 7588 ACD1 3A8F 778A 7407 2928 3312 6597 8258 9A9E D9FA 4878 C245 D245 EAA7 0DCC "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams "Stupidity is the one arena of of human achievement where most people fulfill their potential." -- Jonathan Wienke Never sign a contract that contains the phrase "first-born child." RSA export-o-matic: print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Actually, many studies have found that immigrants, legal and illegal, make a net positive contribution to the economy, even considering their access to government services. Anyone who has worked with these people knows that most of them work harder than native born Americans. Even aside from the strictly economic balance sheets, giving these people the opportunity to succeed in a free country is a significant moral benefit which must count in favor of free immigration. They also serve to make our country more multi-cultural, with greater awareness and appreciation of the value of alternate customs and lifestyles. We develop "hybrid vigor", as our culture is cross fertilized by elements from all around the world. The result is an incredibly dynamic and flexible culture, which is why the United States will continue to be a world leader for the next century. Of course, this gift of diversity causes immigrants to be hated and feared by racists such as Tim May, who sees them only as targets to mock with threats of murder: > Ironically, the authorities are refusing to enforce the immigration laws. > This is why the militias here in California have been forced to deal with > illegal immigrants in the only way left to them. (There's a hunt in > Imperial Valley this coming Saturday.)

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OECD E-Commerce web
by Jyri Kaljundi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't remember if it was already mentioned, but the OECD E-Commerce conference is also being broadcast using Realaudio/Realvideo by EUNet. The web page is at http://www.turku.eu.net/ (And the official conference web is at: http://www.oecd.org/dsti/iccp/e-comm/index.htm ) Jyri Kaljundi jk(a)stallion.ee AS Stallion Ltd http://www.stallion.ee/

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1st Great Awakening
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> X-within-URL: http://www.fourthturning.com/html/great_awakening.html > The Great Awakening (Second Turning, 1727-1746) began as a spiritual > revival in the Connecticut Valley and reached an hysterical peak in > the northern colonies (in 1741) with the preachings of George > Whitefield and the tracts of Jonathan Edwards. The enthusiasm split > towns and colonial assemblies, shattered the old light > establishment, and pitted young believers in faith against elder > defenders of works. After bursting polite conventions and lingering > Old World social barriers, the enthusiasm receded during King Georges > War.

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Rep. Smith on Lifting Crypto Export Ban
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Congressional Record: November 13, 1997 (Extensions)] ON LIFTING THE ENCRYPTION EXPORT BAN ______ HON. ADAM SMITH of washington in the house of representatives Thursday, November 13, 1997 Mr. ADAM SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about an issue that is very important to me--lifting unfair export controls on encryption technology. Mr. Speaker, protecting our National Security interests is among my highest priorities. If I thought controlling encryption exports worked toward this end, I would be its strongest proponent. Unfortunately, export controls on encryption software simply disadvantage the United States software industry. Under current law the United States allows only 40 bit encryption codes to be exported, although software companies sell encryption codes of up to 128 bits everywhere in the United States. Forty bit encryption technology is so elementary, it took a graduate student a mere 3\1/2\ hours to break a code last January. Fifty-six bit encryption is 65,000 times more difficult to decode than 10 bit encryption and it only took students three months to break the encryption code. One hundred twenty eight bit encryption has not been broken yet. Naturally, foreign companies do not want to buy 40 bit encryption software, because it is so vulnerable and insecure. The possibilities for ``computer hackers'' to break into the system and wreak havoc are enormous and dangerous. Therefore, foreign companies are purchasing high-level encryption from foreign software providers instead of American ones. The international demand for encryption software is growing exponentially because of the tremendous rise in electronic commerce. For instance, German Economics Minister, Guenter Rexrodt, said, ``Users can only protect themselves against having data manipulated, destroyed, or spied on by strong encryption procedures * * *. That is why we have to use all of our powers to promote such procedures instead of blocking them.'' Our export restraint has not kept the technology from proliferating. It has merely allowed foreign producers of strong encryption technology to fill the vacuum. In fact, American companies are partnering with foreign firms to distribute their software--taking jobs and revenue with them. American-owned Sun Computers has recently joined with a Russian software company to avoid the U.S. export ban and sell to foreign markets. Foreign companies can also purchase American-produced 40 bit encryption technology and upgrade it in their own countries to 128 bit encryption technology. This ``add-on'' industry is among the fastest growing software industries in Europe today. Clearly, if someone wants high-level encryption technology, he or she can easily obtain it. The ability to obtain both powerful and affordable encryption will now become easier with recent developments in Canada. The Canadian Government includes encryption software in decontrolling mass market software under the Generic Software Note. This means any software sold over-the-counter, by mail or on the phone may be exported without limits. Entrust, a Canadian software company, is freely marketing and selling internationally a 128 bit encryption program right now. It sells for less than $50, and Entrust provides a version of the encryption technology free on the Internet. Even our most steadfast ally sees that export controls can no longer help stem the overwhelming demand and spread of unbreakable encryption. Mr. Speaker, if the United States continues to impose these restrictive export bans on its own companies, ``foreign competition could emerge at a level significant enough to damage the present U.S. world leadership'' in the software industry, according to the National Research Council's blue-ribbon panel on encryption policy. If our export ban continues, the United States will not be the worldwide leader on encryption technology for long, and that would be a true risk to our national security. I strongly oppose any unilateral sanctions or regulations that put the United States at an unnecessary disadvantage. Our current export ban on encryption software is a perfect example, and I intend to continue the fight to change our policy and allow the United States to compete in the global software market. ____________________ Archived at: http://jya.com/smith-crypto.txt

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