December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Mathematician-to-silicon compilers and the Law
by Dutra de Lacerda 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At Sunday, you wrote: >what happens to the law when regular english is just a few clicks away from >being an executable? A chip? How about the best cipher of all?!? The one we carry between our ears? (Just proving the illegitimacy of such law attempts) >Politicians have particular problems linking abstractions to atoms. Will they understand the question: Can we decipher a Human memory by analysis of a brain?!? And if they consider crypto as a weapon what about cars and radios... ...and phones... and pens... etc. I'm thinking of the Jeep in military action... Cars are used by terrorists. They depend on them. Same with phones... pens... radios etc. ... (Not to talk again about human memory) All these items have the SAME importance as crypto... with an increasing treat cars can be when changed in REAL weapons. Are these anti-crypto folks just stupid... or insane?: Why don't they do laws limited to the terrorists?!? In my country guns are prohibited... but criminals have them. The arguments used by them just smell funny. So: Anti-Crypto can only have a point as a tool to political control. It also is the negation of all human rights including the one of intellectual property. Brave new World?!? >I see two extrapolated futures. In one, the end result is restrictions on >free speech in certain areas (e.g., crypto), for the benefit of national >insecurity and the Children. In the other, the Law will have to allow you >whatever posessions you like, and only punish *actions* after the fact. >Given recent historical trends... Only brought to public prepairing the anti-crypto campaign! What are the real links?!? Facts please! Fact: No government today governs... they now only manage economies. The result: The degradation of social and cultural links. ... and what have been the actions taken to such irresponsibility?!? Not actions of correction but of repression... Wrong path!!! D.L. - - - Antonio Manuel Melo de Carvalho Dutra de Lacerda Morada : Rua Rodrigues Cabrilho, 5 - 5 Esq. 1400 Lisboa, PORTUGAL Telefone : +351-(1)-3013579 FAX & BBS : +351-(1)-3021098

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IRS COMPUTER SYSTEMS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO DATE
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A consortium of companies led by Computer Sciences has been awarded a major contract for a 15-year project intended to modernize the computer systems of the Internal Revenue Service. USA Today 10 Dec 98

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RE: Anyone Striking?
by Gomes, Carlos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Even http://www.openpgp.net is still up and operational. I agree with Perry M. and Jim C. that the concept was good but the timetable was unfortunately unrealistic. I've not run across any strike pages. me -- Carlos Macedo Gomes gomes(a)netsolve.com NetSolve, Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Hettinga [mailto:rah@shipwright.com] > Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 10:01 AM > To: James Glave > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com; cryptography(a)c2.net; dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Anyone Striking? > > > At 10:29 AM -0500 on 12/14/98, James Glave wrote: > > > > Anyone participating in the strike today? > > Evidently not... > > Cheers, > Robert Hettinga > ----------------- > Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> > Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' >

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I must admit. . .
by Joel O'Connor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I wonder sometimes whether or not there is hope for us to ever stop this tyrrany. I've seen a bunch of us diss the strike saying it was an outlandish and foolish idea, but I hadn't seen anyone of you come up with something better. That act of protest, no matter how small, serves to raise awareness. Whether it's five minutes after finding out that a war has errupted, or ten years into the war, each serves its purpose. At least it was na idea, it was a start. We're never going to be able to do anything at all if we don't start somewhere and the strike seemed as good an idea as any. Hopefully we can follow in the footsteps of our ancestors who fought and died for freedom, true freedom not this crap we see displayed on the tube everynight. I hope we don't fall into that catagorie of the kinds of people that talk and talk and never do, for if this is the case, then we have already lost and might as well drive ourselves to the concentration camps. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2 iQA/AwUBNnVz81MQ9C083U98EQI68wCfbCa/HA/NN1+u3865z7Oq3m5XvnEAn3kE wl2adBuq2l21DFm/Isn+5MzK =uEBu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- == Ogre bounces like sonar. . .Peace. Ogre _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: Text of Wassenaar regulations, with comments
by Frank O'Dwyer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Arnold G. Reinhold" wrote: > I am not a lawyer and different administrations could issue more > restrictive rules (as the US does), but the new Wassenaar regulations > themselves do not seem to affect free distribution of programs like PGP and > Linux as long as they qualify as "public domain" as Wassenaar defines it. Unfortunately, AFAIK copyrighted software is NOT public domain. GPL and the like usually make a big song and dance to the effect of "this s/w is copyrighted and not in the public domain". Even worse, I think the original PGP is pretty clearly not in the public domain, since commercial uses must be paid for. So does anyone know just how does Wassenaar define the term "public domain", and is open source indeed covered? Cheers, Frank.

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Re: COMMENT: Minimum Security Devices and Procedures and Bank Secrecy
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>If this act is passed, I know what my response will be. I will promptly >withdraw all my monies from any institution that follows these regulations, >refuse to do any sort of business with them, and urge all my friends and >family to do the same. I know that many others will do the same without >hesitation. Today I called the manager of the branch where I have account (for many years) and asked him about "Know your customer" thingy and reporting that they currently do. He seemed knowledgable to a certain extent about this matter, and assured me that today they report only the $10K+ cash transactions. Then I told him that I will take my business elsewhere should they decide to offer "know your customer" service to the government and asked him nicely to relay my stand to his manager. Call them. These people make living from your money.

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Some sites are...!!
by cyphrpnk＠rainbow.thinkthink.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-------- Some of us were in a position to make the switch... www.first-ecache.com www.donpablocigars.com www.permutation.net Service will resume as normal at 2400 monday PST cheers Gwen Hastings Web weaver for above sites

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Striking!
by Sun Toucher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

well you could say I striked. "Twilight is upon me and soon night must fall"

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RE: Anyone Striking?
by Gomes, Carlos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My original statement is a bit off. I think the past weekend in Dallas is still with in spirit.... I don't think Jim nor Perry openly advocated the strike so let me chop that statement. And as for myself, I was hoping to see something a bit more active in regards to a protest and I was hoping that the call to strike would be a start. The call appears to have been slightly still born if not horribly premature. There were several ideas floating around: a) detach from the net and from work b) create a signed letter of disapproval published to appropriate orgs c) _short_ loosely organized burst of DoS against select online targets from widely distributed sources. All valid forms of protests (when properly organized and executed) all with varying forms of impact and visibility. For the record, I think option c) could be a valid and effective form of active protest. It is a form which has not been used in support of the cpunks' agenda (or many agenda's for that matter) to date and one that merits a review. On to the next online skirmish... regards, C.G. -- DISCLAIMER: The above views are mine and not of my employer or coworkers. I do not speak as a representative of their views. Only of my own. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim May [mailto:tcmay@got.net] > Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 12:39 PM > To: Gomes, Carlos; James Glave > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com; cryptography(a)c2.net; dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu > Subject: RE: Anyone Striking? > > > At 9:29 AM -0800 12/14/98, Gomes, Carlos wrote: > >Even http://www.openpgp.net is still up and operational. I > agree with Perry > >M. and Jim C. that the concept was good but the timetable > was unfortunately > >unrealistic. I've not run across any strike pages. > > A foolish idea, that little "strike." Something out of the > lefty sixties. > Grape boycotts and all that nonsense. > [deletia] >

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Re: Mathematician-to-silicon compilers and the Law
by Mark Lanett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Speaking of carrying... Can I export my theoretical closed-source-commercial-strong-crypto-using software by printing out the source at Kinko's, binding it, and flying out of the country? Any company can afford to set up a 1-person shop in a variety of countries as necessary (besides you need local ops to distribute and do tech support). Or do F-O-Speech rights only apply to books published in quantity and that I'm willing to let anyone read? [I assume I haven't been paying enough attention; if was this easy then Wassenaar wouldn't be effective.] ~mark -----Original Message----- From: Dutra de Lacerda <dulac(a)ip.pt> >How about the best cipher of all?!? The one we carry between our ears? >(Just proving the illegitimacy of such law attempts)

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