December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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Re: PGP Inc has gone to the dogs
by Reeza! 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cleaning out the dross, I found this. What was "broken" in pgp50? Reeza! At 10:16 AM 10/18/98 +0100, Adam Back wrote: > >PGP Inc has taken leave of it's sense. Masses of untrue claims on web >pages (take a look at examples below), no RSA support, no unix >versions (other than old broken pgp50).

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Re: German government press release on Wassenaar (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:50:04 +0100 > From: Alexander Kjeldaas <astor(a)guardian.no> > Subject: Re: German government press release on Wassenaar > I applied for an examination of the Open Source definition to the > department for foreign affairs in Norway. The response (no surprise) > was that Open Source is compliant with what the Wassenaar-agreement > calls "public domain" software. Actualy that is surprising since Open Sourse does not imply the loss of rights by the author as public domain does. If this is so and Germany interprets Open Source in this way then the OS movement will fail in Germany (at least). There will be no motive for authors to release their work since they will be in effect releasing all rights to it, not the goal of OS at all. The impact on this for closed source derivitive products is also of some interest. I wonder what RMS will have to say on that one... ____________________________________________________________________ What raises the standard of living may well diminish the quality of life. The Club of Rome The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Hayek Quote of the Week
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rah(a)pop.sneaker.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:59:16 -0500 To: Digital Bearer Settlement List <dbs(a)philodox.com> From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Hayek Quote of the Week Sender: <dbs(a)philodox.com> Precedence: Bulk List-Subscribe: <mailto:requests@philodox.com?subject=subscribe%20dbs> X-Web-Archive: http://www.philodox.com/dbs-archive/ While we're at it... Cheers, Robert Hettinga --- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:19:31 EST Reply-To: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Sender: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> From: Hayek-L List Host <HayekList(a)AOL.COM> Subject: Hayek Quote of the Week To: HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Hayek Quote of the Week " .. history is largely a history of inflation, and usually of inflations engineered by governments and for the gain of governments .. " F. A. Hayek, _Denationalisation of Money: The Argument Refined_ (third edition) London: Institute of Economic Affairs. 1990. p. 34 Hayek Quote of the Week is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. >> END << --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: alternative b-money creation
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:56 PM -0800 12/11/98, Wei Dai wrote: ... > >This argument is based on the misconception that people have no reason to >want to accept fiat money. But actually fiat money is valuable because it >performs a service for those who use it, namely the service of a medium of >exchange. It's value derives from the fact that there is positive demand >for a medium of exchange, and the fact that its supply is finite and >controlled by a sufficiently benevolent agency. > >Think about it this way. In the case of commodity money, its value comes >partly from the industrial/aesthetic value of the commodity and partly >from the usefulness of the commodity money as a medium of exchange. In the >case of fiat money and b-money, all of its value comes from its usefulness >as a medium of exchange. I believe _all_ forms of money, whether hard, fiat, whatever, come from the expectation that the money will be of the same value, more or less, in the future. Call it the "greater fool theory of money." All one cares about is that a greater fool will take the money. Whether the money is gold or funny bank notes or e-money, the Bayesian expectation of future value is what matters. Discounted appropriately for interest paid, etc. (Thus, one might be willing to be paid in gold coins or in E-Bay LEAPs, provided the terms were laid-out and could be calculated.) As always, reputation is critical. Repution = Belief = Expectation. --Tim May Y2K -- LMGALMAO -- Loading my guns and laughing my ass off ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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Wassenaar Discussion...
by Missouri FreeNet Administration 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I thought the list might be interested to know that we have in fact had "more than a few" angry emails about being down on the 14th: hit-em where it hurts, and they *have* to listen, huh? For the most part, the response has been favorable, *after* they have been educated as to what is going on. These are the same people who, by and large, could care less about the average "political thing"... As I said before, I acknowledge that this "strike" takes out it's energy on those least responsible (directly, anyway), but it *does* seem to wake them up, since it directly involves them [now]... Anyone else having similar experiences? (I'm really curious about openpgp.net) Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org -- If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------

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