December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

(Fwd) Request for Assistance
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What the hell is THIS: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Gordon Jeff INSP <Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov> To: "'m1tca00(a)frb.gov'" <m1tca00(a)ccgate.FRB.GOV> Subject: Request for Assistance Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:42:12 -0400 Hello, The IRS and United States Attorney's office are looking for assistance in a criminal investigation involving threatening messages which were posted to the Cypherpunks mailing list. This e-mail address was noted to be one of those which receives the Cypherpunks list. I would appreciate it if you would contact me to discuss whether you would be willing to assist us in this matter, and what records or information you have relating to the Cypherpunks list. You can contact me at this e-mail address or at (503) 326-2787. Thanks Jeff >From Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov Thu Oct 8 10:48:40 1998 Return-Path: <Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov> Received: from primary.frb.gov by bksmp2.FRB.GOV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA29878; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:48:39 -0400 Received: from new-frbgate.frb.gov (root(a)new-frbgate.frb.gov [198.35.166.180]) by primary.frb.gov (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA02189 for <m1tca00(a)frb.gov>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:48:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov) Received: (from root@localhost) by new-frbgate.frb.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id KAA03072 for m1tca00(a)frb.gov; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tcs-gateway2.treas.gov (tcs-gateway2.treas.gov [204.151.246.2]) by newfed.frb.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00110 for <m1tca00(a)frb.gov>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:42:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov) Received: by tcs-gateway2.treas.gov id KAA00684 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for m1tca00(a)frb.gov) Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:42:23 -0400 Received: by tcs-gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2); Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:42:23 -0400 Received: by tcs-gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1); Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:42:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9F00F15E736BD11196B700A0C98448FE0A97B6@WR-SEA-SERVER-2> From: Gordon Jeff INSP <Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov> To: "'m1tca00(a)frb.gov'" <m1tca00(a)ccgate.FRB.GOV> Subject: Request for Assistance Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:42:12 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Gordon Jeff INSP <Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain content-length: 548 X-folder: +inbox Thanks Jeff -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Thanks. View my site from: http://ross.adnetsol.com/links.html Click on "Internet Auctions"

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Re: Web TV with 128b exported
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wherever the 128-bit encryption is located, it is irrelevent: you send someone email, they receive it in clear-text. ---guy

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Vertical vs. Horizontal Crypto (was: RE: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code))
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Lucky Green writes: >Cyphpunks believe that more strong crypto is better. And this holds true for vertical as well as horizontal applications. Unlike Mr. Stallman, I think that there is a case where closed-source software is appropriate, and that case is vertical applications. Just as I wouldn't propose that TCE release the source code for our devices (RCA TVs, ProScan VCRs, etc.), as the intellectual return on the release would be low (how many people are going to write low-level software for their own TVs?), I think it is also inappropriate for other vertical-market applications (another example: book library maintenance software). However, some of the bad effects of closed-source crypto can be countered by the use of open crypto protocols, like TLS/SSL, OpenPGP, IPSec, and the like. Although this still won't protect against all attempts at getting around the security of the crypto protocol, at least some crypto protocols are pretty immune to these kinds of attacks -- for example, a PC web browser talking to a set-top box using TLS should only be able to be subverted by the set-top box itself, not by a third party through a hole in the protocol. I'm somewhat surprised that no one has brought this (open crypto protocols) up in the discussion before. (Could it be that I had an original idea? Nah...) ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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Cyphernomicon Intranet Mirror (was: RE: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code))
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back writes: >Try reading the cyphernomicon (*), if you haven't. Which we've mirrored on our Intranet (been meaning to mention this...). It would be terrible if it were to disappear due to linkrot, so we have a local copy. Not accessible to the outside, though... Just another datapoint. ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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RE: Request for Assistance
by X 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jeff, Good luck in your pursuit. I think, in the future, you might want to offer us the customary 800 number to call you on to rat on our acquaintances. Two things worry me about your approach: 1) how do you know what emails I get and why in the world do you think it's any of your business? 2) is this suspicion by acquaintance? I'm sure you already know this, but I just recently joined the list so I know nothing about anything threatening on this list. The biggest threat I see is from people publicizing that the government is sniffing out email addresses and categorizing them based on what they _receive._ Dangerous pursuit, dangerous precedent. Watch what side you're on. X (although I have to admit, you have a lot of guts to come in here and ask 'free-thinking individuals" to help you gang up on a guy.) ~> -----Original Message----- ~> From: Gordon Jeff INSP [mailto:Jeff.Gordon@inspection.irs.gov] ~> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:42 AM ~> To: 'm1tca00(a)frb.gov' ~> Subject: Request for Assistance ~> ~> ~> Hello, ~> ~> The IRS and United States Attorney's office are looking for assistance ~> in a criminal investigation involving threatening messages which were ~> posted to the Cypherpunks mailing list. This e-mail address was noted ~> to be one of those which receives the Cypherpunks list. I would ~> appreciate it if you would contact me to discuss whether you would be ~> willing to assist us in this matter, and what records or information you ~> have relating to the Cypherpunks list. You can contact me at this ~> e-mail address or at (503) 326-2787. ~> ~> Thanks ~> ~> Jeff ~> ~>

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Crypto AG
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>http://caq.com/cryptogate > >Are people familiar with this document? > >Why shouldn't NSA have implanted this kind of back-doors >in various software and operating systems as well? > >It seems to have worked so very well in the past. Keep on writing CypherPunks CryptoCode that's can be gobbled up 4 your M$ softwares.... Da Fedz are more than happy to GAK it up 4 U before thier morning doughnuts...... Nut$crape did it, Apple NeXT, maybe Cisco, more 2 follow.... TeeHee!

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Anguilla in the news
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/science/sci-lizard-raft.html Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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[Fwd: Here come the rafting iguanas] Here come the rafting iguanas
by David Miller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: [Fwd: Here come the rafting iguanas] (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:30:10 -0400 > From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Here come the rafting iguanas] > At 4:51 PM -0400 on 10/8/98, David Miller wrote: > > > Could the term "green iguanas" be symbolic of US currency? > > Naw... But I hereby nominate the green iguana to be the official mascot of > the cypherpunk crypto-refugee community on Anguilla. I'll see if the Austin Cypherpunks want to start holding our meetings at the Green Iquana Grill out on Lake Travis... ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:52:17 -0400 (EDT) > From: Ryan Anderson <ryan(a)michonline.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > > The Mafia. The handful of world-class coke dealers. Your local church. > > Umm... both of those are around because the governemtn made the cost of > delivering both alcohol and drugs prohibitively high, That's inaccurate. The Mafia pre-dated the US by several hundred years if not more (depends on how one wants to choose the bloodline). Most definitely they predated the bans on alcohol. As to the coke market, In S. America it has been around for quite a while as well. The chemical has been used medicinaly for hundreds of years until just recently. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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