December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by RedRook 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Choate [mailto:ravage@einstein.ssz.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 4:38 PM [deletia] > The reality is that we don't live in a free-market, > but rather a rather lightly regulated one. > Microsoft got a tad too greedy in fixing their > software so that specific competitors would > not be able to use it, this in > itself may not be a crime. However it > *does* deny the consumer the choice > and that most certainly is a crime. Please elaborate. Netscape works fine on Windows 98, and faces the same restrictions with installation that original Windows 95 had. As for Java, Java works as well on Windows as on any other platform. It's funny how giving the customers more value for their money, always ends up being anti-competative. It's a thorny issue that's not easy to deal with. Especially with Microsoft. They have such a large pool of source code, so many employees, and such an effective distribution network, that they can quickly add a jillion features to any program, and make so much money off of it, that it's difficult for anyone but a multi-million dollar company to compete And no, taking the browser out of Windows is not going to change that. Harv. RedRook(a)yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > The reality is that we don't live in a free-market, but > rather a rather lightly regulated one. Lightly? You jest. No, we certainly don't live in a free market, we have a mixed economy. We *should* have a free market, government distortions are much more destructive and pervasive than any potential abuses by market leaders. Also, the latter abuses are naturally corrected by competition, not necessarily immediate but certainly faster than government distortions which they blame on the market as an excuse for *more* government distortions. The answer for establishing "rules" which insure "fairness," such as preventing an OS vendor from conspiring against a single application vendor and intentionally breaking their product or enforcing artificial incompatibilities, is to create a framework for standards, peer-review, arbitration and liability to enforce "fair" industry practice and competition. Make it a contractually issue and not a criminal one, reputation for punishment instead of life and liberty, and an optional and competitive system instead of a compelled and monopolistic one. An optional system must have an overall and mutual benefit for all parties involved, the government has no such limitation and becomes an instrument for theft. We have two paths for international commerce and regulation, we can continue to the New World Order (NWO), or we can divorce the supporting infrastructure from the geopolitical power base. Matt

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What is AOL
by Twenty1CC＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Found in rec.homor.funny.reruns >From rec.arts.sf.written, in a thread entitled "What is AOL?" > An organization set up to give Internetters someone to make ethnic jokes > about. > > -- > Arthur D. Hlavaty hlavaty(a)panix.com

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Internet is a dog named Toto
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Keep thought: If the Internet were a dog, it might be named Toto. Like that little yapper in the famous film whose bark had some bite, the Internet is yanking back the curtains and exposing the powers that be for what they are: big-mouthed, fast-talking "wizards" about to be run out of town." (from http://www.business2.com/articles/issue1.html) For some reason when I read this paragraph, it had an oddly strange parallel meaning. ;) Matt

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:24:02 -0700 > Jim Choate wrote: > > The reality is that we don't live in a free-market, but > > rather a rather lightly regulated one. > > Lightly? You jest. No I don't. I can start a business for as little as $15 to register a DBA and I don't need licenses or other sorts of regulatory permissions. If I sell a product or service (some are exempt, check your local area) I'll need a tax number to pay my state sales tax (though they do nothing to regulate my business other than specify that I must pay x% of my sales to the community). Getting that tax number is free. Outside of that (at least in Texas) I'm ready to go. Yep, that's a lot of regulation, no forms or permission slips from some in loco parentis, no reports or annual fees. > No, we certainly don't live in a free market, we have > a mixed economy. We *should* have a free market, No we shouldn't. The fact that monopolies can exist in this lightly regulated economy is ample evidence that the non-regulated or free-market theory is nothing more than another pie-in-the-sky utopian dream. Unrealistic and unrealizable. If you seriously think this is a heavily regulated market you should do more research into such places as Nazi Germany, Russia, China, etc. > are much more destructive and pervasive than any potential abuses by > market leaders. Monopolies are monopolies, claiming that they will be less abusive in a regulated market than in a free-market just demonstrates a lack of understanding of basic human instincts. You are claiming that if we do away with the food regulations that McDonalds will be *more* concerned about their meat being cooked thoroughly then you obviously don't understand people who chase the bottem line to the exclusion of all else. > Also, the latter abuses are naturally corrected by > competition, If a market monopolizes there is *NO* competition. If the market is one that takes a large investment in intellectual or capital materials then there won't be any opportunity to even attempt to start a competitive venture. > The answer for establishing "rules" which insure "fairness," such as Fairness is about the consumer, not the manufacturer. This misunderstanding (if not intentional misdirection) by free-market mavens is at least one indication why it won't work. > competition. Make it a contractually issue and not a criminal one, Contractual with who? > reputation for punishment instead of life and liberty, Businesses are neither alive nor do they enjoy liberty. Don't confuse people with systems and objects. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:18:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: RedRook <redrook(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Please elaborate. Netscape works fine on Windows 98, and faces the > same restrictions with installation that original Windows 95 had. No Netscape on NT or 95/98 is no where near as stable as on a Linux or Solaris box (the two that I use most). I can't go 24 hours on my NT for example without Netscape hanging for some mysterious reason whereas I've run Netscape (even on my HP 10.10) for days without a hang and those mysterious pauses it's so famous for. > As for Java, Java works as well on Windows as on any other platform. Yep, that explains why my NT's have to be rebooted almost daily because of various issues and my various unix boxes go for weeks....yep, that's more stable all right. > It's funny how giving the customers more value for their money, always > ends up being anti-competative. How do you figure Win98 gives me more value for my money? I buy Win98 for $100 or so, have to have gobs of memory and a damned fast processor to even come close to the alternate OS'es. > network, that they can quickly add a jillion features to any program, And just as many bugs. > and make so much money off of it, that it's difficult for anyone but a > multi-million dollar company to compete Only becuase they intentionly go after the smaller companies and create various issues (eg the DrDos intentional break) that nearly guarantee that smaller firms are out before they even start. > And no, taking the browser out of Windows is not going to change that. You have a penchant for random wandering.... ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (and vague ideas for additions) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 03:00:21 +0200 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > Subject: Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (and vague ideas for additions) > The GNU GPL discourages the sale of proprietary software by prohibiting > anything using code covered by the license from being proprietary, and > that's right. It does not prevent GPL'ed code from using proprietary licenses, it only prevents companies from using GPL'ed code without first obtaining a non-GPL licence from the original author of the code (who should deservedly get a cut of the cash). > Both these licenses would be trying to promote their propagators' goals > through restrictions on code re-use. Re-use *without* prior permission of the author and copyright holder, be accurate. [other stuff deleated] ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Wire transfers from web page?
by Vincent Cate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone know of any bank with software or a web page that lets you give them wire-transfer instructions from over the internet? How about a bank that lets you see where a wire transfer came from on the web page interface? I think dollarbank.com just says "incoming wire". How about a bank on the Internet that will accept instructions to write and mail a check drawn on your account to any random person at any address? Such things would make it really easy for random little guys to make their own currency using e-commerce software. -- Vince ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vincent Cate Offshore Information Services Vince(a)Offshore.com.ai http://www.offshore.com.ai/ Anguilla, BWI http://www.offshore.com.ai/vince ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You have to take life as it happens, but you should try to make it happen the way you want to take it. - German Proverb

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GoLive CyberStudio Trial Activation Key
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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What is AOL
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Twenty1CC(a)aol.com had these pearls of wisdom: >Found in rec.homor.funny.reruns Yes, you are quite a rerun, but you aren't funny. To answer your question, AOL is a haven for crackers, lamers, losers, fakers, and posers like yourself. You owe the Cypherpunks a video of your very violent and graphic death.

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