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IP: Fwd: [Spooks] NSA Allegedly Spied on Businesses
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Bridget973(a)aol.com Subject: IP: Fwd: [Spooks] NSA Allegedly Spied on Businesses Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:37:12 EDT To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: [Spooks] NSA Allegedly Spied on Businesses Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:36:35 -0500 From: Bob Margolis <rttyman(a)wwa.com> To: Spooks <spooks(a)qth.net> U.S. Spy Agency Helped U.S. Companies Win Business Overseas-Report September 21, 1998 Nikkei English News: TOKYO (AP)--A U.S. intelligence agency electronically eavesdropped on foreign companies and passed information to U.S. competitors to help them win business overseas, a major Tokyo newspaper reported Saturday. The National Security Agency monitored phone calls, faxes and electronic mail of European and Japanese companies since at least 1990, the Mainichi newspaper said, citing a report Wednesday by the European Parliament, the European Union's legislature. The newspaper quoted the report as saying the NSA, in an operation named "Echelon," used its vast eavesdropping network to listen to business negotiations. The Central Intelligence Agency and British intelligence were also involved, the paper said. The paper said the report was submitted Wednesday to parliament by its research bureau. Some of the findings also appeared in a January report, the paper said. In one case, the NSA monitored talks between French electronics company Thomson-CSF and the Brazilian government over sale of a radar system. An unnamed U.S. company ended up winning the contract, the paper said. The paper also said the NSA listened in on 1990 negotiations between Japan's NEC Corp. and the Indonesian government over the purchase of telecommunications machinery. It used the information to urge Jakarta to award half the contract to AT&T, the paper said. --- Submissions should be sent to spooks(a)qth.net To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe spooks" to majordomo(a)qth.net -- bridget973(a)aol.com Black Helicopters on the Horizon: http://members.xoom.com/bridget973 ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: Fwd: [Spooks] CIA Operative sentenced to five years imprisonment
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Bridget973(a)aol.com Subject: IP: Fwd: [Spooks] CIA Operative sentenced to five years imprisonment Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:03:52 EDT To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com http://www.abcnews.com/wire/US/AP19980925_1626.html AP News Service WASHINGTON (AP) _ A former CIA operative was sentenced to five years in prison today for trying to extort $1 million from the agency in exchange for his silence about government eavesdropping operations. Douglas Fred Groat, 51, pleaded guilty to the extortion charge in July. As part of the plea agreement, federal prosecutors dropped four counts of espionage, including charges that Groat told two foreign governments the CIA had cracked their coded communications. U.S. District Judge Thomas F. Hogan said Groat's actions appeared to stem from his ``almost becoming obsessed'' about a job dispute with the CIA. ``I don't think at any time you really had any intention of trying to harm our national security,'' Hogan said. The judge said he would recommend housing Groat in a minimum-security prison and ordered him to serve three years of supervised release after completing his sentence. Groat, a burly, bearded man, did not speak in the courtroom except to clarify part of his written statement to the court, which was not immediately released. He said that in complaining about the ``harsh conditions of my solitary confinement,'' he did not mean to imply that any federal officials treated him harshly. His lawyer, public defender Robert L. Tucker, said the case was ``a shame'' and that Groat's actions ``everybody would agree had their genesis in a dispute with the CIA about employment.'' Prosecutors said in July a trial in the case could have forced them to disclose sensitive national security information. Groat agreed to help the government sort out whether his activities damaged national security, and he promised to submit any books, articles or interviews to federal officials for security review. Prosecutor Ron Walutes told Hogan the government was ``fully satisfied'' with Groat's cooperation since his guilty plea on July 27. Groat, a former employee of the CIA division that develops eavesdropping plans and code-breaking technology, worked for the CIA from 1980 until he was fired in October 1996. Early in his career, he served as a field operative participating in break-ins of foreign embassies. In a summary agreed to in July by Groat, prosecutors said he sent a series of letters to the CIA in 1996 and 1997 demanding $1 million and saying that in return he would not engage in ``any activities which may hinder present or future intelligence gathering efforts.'' Officials did not identify the two countries Groat had been accused of aiding. Groat was held without bail since he was arrested in April. He will be able to collect his CIA pension when he turns 62. He could have been sentenced to up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Groat had been the third current or former CIA employee arrested on espionage charges in the past four years. However, he was lower-ranking than Alrich Ames and Harold Nicholson, who pleaded guilty and are imprisoned for selling secrets to Moscow. Copyright 1998 AP News Service. All rights reserved --- Submissions should be sent to spooks(a)qth.net To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe spooks" to majordomo(a)qth.net -- bridget973(a)aol.com Black Helicopters on the Horizon: http://members.xoom.com/bridget973 ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: NSA listening practices called European `threat'
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: NSA listening practices called European `threat' Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:43:12 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Baltimore Sun http://www.sunspot.net/cgi-bin/editorial/story.cgi?storyid=900000194001 NSA listening practices called European `threat' European Parliament report accuses agency of widespread spying By Neal Thompson Sun Staff The National Security Agency has incurred the wrath of some U.S. allies and triggered debate about increased global eavesdropping, thanks to a new report that accuses the agency of spying on European citizens and companies. With the help of a listening post in the moors of northern England, NSA for nearly a decade has been snatching Europe's electronic communications signals, according to a report for the European Parliament. "Within Europe, all e-mail, telephone and fax communications are routinely intercepted by the United States National Security Agency, transferring all target information to Fort Meade," said the report. `Powerful threat' It warned that the NSA's tactics represent a "powerful threat to civil liberties in Europe" at a time when more communication -- and commerce -- is conducted electronically. A preliminary version of the report circulated overseas in recent months, touching off heated debate, with front-page stories in Italy, France, Scotland, England, Belgium and even Russia. The NSA won't discuss the report or even admit that the listening post exists. But this week, two days of debate in the European Parliament continued the extraordinary public disclosure of comprehensive post-Cold War spying by the agency. On Wednesday, the Parliament passed a resolution seeking more accountability from such eavesdropping arrangements and more assurances that they won't be misused. "We want to make sure that somebody's watching them," said Glyn Ford, a British member of the European Parliament, the legislative body for the 15-member European Union. Observers say this was the first time a governmental body has described in detail -- and then criticized -- the NSA's tactics. "The cat's well and true out of the bag," said Simon Davies, director of the London-based watchdog group Privacy International. "I would argue that we have made the grandest step in 50 years toward accountability of such national security transparencies." The report describes a sophisticated program called Echelon, which the NSA established in conjunction with British intelligence agencies. The program includes a listening post in Menwith Hill, in Yorkshire, whose satellite dishes soak up the satellite and microwave transmissions carrying Europe's telephone conversations, faxes and e-mail. Unlike Cold War spying aimed at the military, Echelon is a global electronic surveillance system that targets individuals, businesses, governments and organizations, the report says. The U.S. shares the information with Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand as part of an intelligence-sharing agreement called UKUSA. Each nation has its own set of key words, so it can seek information on specific issues, the report states. Europe is but a fraction of Echelon's target area -- and the Menwith Hill post is one of at least 10 around the world, the report adds. "One reason its a bigger deal over there than it is over here [in the U.S.] is because the SIGINT [signals intelligence] systems are over their heads and not our heads," said Jeffrey Richelson, an analyst with the National Security Archives, a U.S. group seeking to declassify intelligence related documents. Echelon repercussions But the disclosure of Echelon could soon resonate across the Atlantic after the European Parliament action. Furthermore, it could complicate current negotiations between the U.S. and the European Union over encryption programs that scramble or encode computer information, said Parliament member Ford. The U.S. has been lobbying for back-door access to such codes for security reasons. Originally published on Sep 19 1998 ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:35:10 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: US Newswire http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/0929-101.txt Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill U.S. Newswire 29 Sep 8:49 Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill To: National and State desks Contact: David Carle of the Office of Sen. Patrick Leahy, 202-224-3693 WASHINGTON, Sept. 29 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Following is the statement of Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, on Senate passage Monday night, Sept. 28, 1998, of the Hatch-Leahy-Kyl Substitute to S.2392, which was initially introduced by Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah, at the request of the Administration. The bill also includes a new amendment by Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.). The bill now goes to the House. The bill's purpose is to encourage the full disclosure and exchange of solutions and test results for Year 2000 computer problems, by providing limited liability protection, for a limited time, for specific kinds of Year 2000 information that is considered essential to remediation efforts, but not for faulty products or services. It promotes company-to-company information sharing, without limiting the rights of consumers. The bill also includes a Leahy provision chartering a national Y2K Website for consumers, small businesses and local governments. "Four-hundred and fifty-eight days from now, millions of computers controlling our air traffic, recording credit card sales, running electric and phone systems, tracking bank deposits and monitoring hospital patients may crash in befuddlement. "No bill can magically solve the Y2K problem, but this bill greatly increases the chances that people will come forward more readily with solutions. "This bill also includes a provision I have offered that will help consumers, small businesses and local governments by chartering a national information clearinghouse and Website as a starting point to provide rapid and accurate information about solving Y2K problems. "Knowledge is power in exterminating the millennium bug, and it makes perfect sense to amplify and encourage the use of the Internet itself as an information resource in grappling with this problem." -0- /U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/ 09/29 08:49 Copyright 1998, U.S. Newswire ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:21:19 -0400 (EDT) > From: Vlad Stesin <rmiles(a)Generation.NET> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > > > > Solaris, HP, BSD, NT, etc. *wish* they were as stable and popular as Linux. > > > > Which BSD are you talking about? From my personal and professional > experience, OpenBSD, NetBSD and FreeBSD proved to be just as stable (and > OpenBSD even more stable and reliable) than Linux. All three of them are > Take a look at http://www.openbsd.org/crypto.html for more info. > > I hope you meant BSD/OS when you mentioned BSD :-) Well I've used all three version. In particular after I got my current Sun 4/380 from the local CACTUS Unix user group I tried several variaties of BSD on it and none of them have stayed up as long, had as many applications available for them, or been easier to debug than Linux SPARC (and that is behind x86 by a couple of generations - though that should change in the immediate future). I also tried it on my Amiga 2000 when there wasn't a working version of Linux for it. I've got like 5 different disk sets I've tried over the last 3 years, thanks I'll stick with Linux SPARC. I've even got an *old* version of BSD before they went with their current license scheme that I used when I worked at Compu-Add from '91 through '92 in their POS support department because one of our food chain customers liked the way the box arched....:) I have yet to see any BSD installation with a total uptime greater than 8-10 weeks whereas I've seen my *old* 1.1.59 Linux version (still running on einstein.ssz.com at this very moment) stay up for over 6 months between reboots (and even then it wasn't a requirement, the clock keeps wondering off and by 6 months it's nearly 12 hours ahead). I have no desire to get into a OS war, I currently use like 6 different os'es at home - to each their own. But to assuage your curiosity I prefer AmigaDOS and/or Plan 9 with Logo for programming (now if I could only find a decent Logo compiler), though Amoeba is starting to look pretty interesting. I'd use BeOS a lot more if I thought for one second there was a real future for it, even though I do try each release. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > This is bogus reasoning. If the API is released there is > *more* motivation for the original distributor to keep > backward compatibility and bug-free. Duh, I never said otherwise. More motivation and more cost. Sometimes (more often than not) it takes a couple drafts and re-writes before things are the way they ought to be. APIs will often progress from private to public as an evolution from immaturity to maturity, disorganization to organization, ad hoc hack to flexible functionality, custom purpose to generic usefulness. You evidently completely missed that point. > You want quality code that is bullet-proof then release the > API and let the fittest survive. Which is fine unless you are liable to support the inferior. > If you release the API you'll find those midnight hacks > go away, *not* increase as you seem to be claiming. Midnight hacks will never go away. But again, you missed my point. I stated many APIs start out as midnight hacks. > Solaris, HP, BSD, NT, etc. *wish* they were as stable and > popular as Linux. Let's not start OS wars. Each to their own, OSs are tools not religions. > Free-market *requires* fair competition By whose misguided definition? Free market required freedom (freedom requires absence of coercive force), nothing else. Freedom is about actions (motion), not static states (past/present/future), and so is Competition. Id est, competition includes potential competition, a free capital market guarantees potential competition, only force [regulation] can hinder that. > it means there are no outside regulations applied. > It says *nothing* about internal regulation applied > by either the producer or the consumer. "Regulation" generally = political power (= force). Whether than is externally applied or internally applied under the threat of external force makes no difference. When the politicos talk about wanting deregulation and industry self-regulation, what they really mean is they want industry to bow to their whim under threat of their arbitrary power. Such actions then avoid the scrutiny and protections theoretically provided by the political/legal system. The only legitimate force is economic -- the decision to purchase or not to purchase, or to purchase a competing or alternative product. Economic force is not a regulator of the free market, it is its heart and soul, the essence of the free market. Economic force requires absence of political force to truly work properly. > If you are seriously saying that the only workable market > scheme is to let people cheat and steal from others > (which is what poorly written and unreliable code does) How so? You have a choice to consume or not to consume, there is no act of coercive force, I cannot steal from you without it. Cheat I may, a fool and his money are easily parted. Civil liability and reputation naturally regulate such things, no govt. regulation necessary. [And you say, but wait, civil liability requires govt. regulation -- it does now but it need not, free market legal systems can provide such with reputation instead of guns as its basis] > Malarky. Microsoft has so many hidden, undocumented, > incomplete API's it isn't even funny. Did I say they did not? I've worked at Microsoft, I not only know that but I know why (and it's no conspiracy, chaos is more like it). They also have good many published APIs, and at the application layer they are way ahead of most other vendors. At the OS layer I think open source will win out, so you are preaching to the choir. Open source will prevail if it makes economic (business) sense, all other reasons are corollary. Regulation will destroy the free market that could make open source viable. "There is a fantasy that open source and capitalism are incompatible," Allman said. That misconception was at the center of the decision to drop the "freeware" moniker in favor of "open source." As Allman and others explained, open source is a model for doing business, for making money. (source: http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/story?id=3564b5500) Matt

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Democracy...
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I find that religion is one of the most detrimental forces to the internet. I believe that the internet is a very real chance to assert self-rule. A religious government would not allow that. I might worship false idols or something. If government does start to favor religious morals I hope it is voodoo! That would at least add some entertainment :) == "The same thing we do every night Pinkey, try to take over the WORLD!" - The brain _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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