December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Cyphernomicon Intranet Mirror (was: RE: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code))
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back writes: >Try reading the cyphernomicon (*), if you haven't. Which we've mirrored on our Intranet (been meaning to mention this...). It would be terrible if it were to disappear due to linkrot, so we have a local copy. Not accessible to the outside, though... Just another datapoint. ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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RE: Request for Assistance
by X 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jeff, Good luck in your pursuit. I think, in the future, you might want to offer us the customary 800 number to call you on to rat on our acquaintances. Two things worry me about your approach: 1) how do you know what emails I get and why in the world do you think it's any of your business? 2) is this suspicion by acquaintance? I'm sure you already know this, but I just recently joined the list so I know nothing about anything threatening on this list. The biggest threat I see is from people publicizing that the government is sniffing out email addresses and categorizing them based on what they _receive._ Dangerous pursuit, dangerous precedent. Watch what side you're on. X (although I have to admit, you have a lot of guts to come in here and ask 'free-thinking individuals" to help you gang up on a guy.) ~> -----Original Message----- ~> From: Gordon Jeff INSP [mailto:Jeff.Gordon@inspection.irs.gov] ~> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:42 AM ~> To: 'm1tca00(a)frb.gov' ~> Subject: Request for Assistance ~> ~> ~> Hello, ~> ~> The IRS and United States Attorney's office are looking for assistance ~> in a criminal investigation involving threatening messages which were ~> posted to the Cypherpunks mailing list. This e-mail address was noted ~> to be one of those which receives the Cypherpunks list. I would ~> appreciate it if you would contact me to discuss whether you would be ~> willing to assist us in this matter, and what records or information you ~> have relating to the Cypherpunks list. You can contact me at this ~> e-mail address or at (503) 326-2787. ~> ~> Thanks ~> ~> Jeff ~> ~>

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Crypto AG
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>http://caq.com/cryptogate > >Are people familiar with this document? > >Why shouldn't NSA have implanted this kind of back-doors >in various software and operating systems as well? > >It seems to have worked so very well in the past. Keep on writing CypherPunks CryptoCode that's can be gobbled up 4 your M$ softwares.... Da Fedz are more than happy to GAK it up 4 U before thier morning doughnuts...... Nut$crape did it, Apple NeXT, maybe Cisco, more 2 follow.... TeeHee!

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Anguilla in the news
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/science/sci-lizard-raft.html Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: [Fwd: Here come the rafting iguanas] (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:30:10 -0400 > From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Here come the rafting iguanas] > At 4:51 PM -0400 on 10/8/98, David Miller wrote: > > > Could the term "green iguanas" be symbolic of US currency? > > Naw... But I hereby nominate the green iguana to be the official mascot of > the cypherpunk crypto-refugee community on Anguilla. I'll see if the Austin Cypherpunks want to start holding our meetings at the Green Iquana Grill out on Lake Travis... ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:15:12 -0500 > From: Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > >> Umm... both of those are around because the governemtn made the cost of > >> delivering both alcohol and drugs prohibitively high, > > > >That's inaccurate. The Mafia pre-dated the US by several hundred years if > > So what? There was probably a government wherever the started, and > they probably started out providing services that their local government > prohibited. This begs the question, even when presented with evidence that supports such assertions you dismiss it out of hand. No point in even responding to your posts on this topic any further. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Request for Assistance
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You mean to tell me that the GOV is actually going to try to make a case against someone on *this* mailing list for sending threatening mail? Gimme a break! Have you actually perused any archives of this list? If you did, and filtered out any of the crypto/privacy-relevant posts, you'd be hard pressed to find *anything* that you could take seriously at all, let alone construe to be threatening. Unless of course you take space aliens hiding your drugs to be threatening. And what, you're from the IRS? What, was the IRS threatened? And this would surprise you how? Did they threaten to hide the IRS' drugs? Were they posing as space aliens? And how come you didn't contact me? Does that mean that I'm under investigation? Or do you just not like me? Or were you not sniffing my network connection at the time to make your illegal determination that I'm on the Cypherpunks mailing list? I'd have to agree with Mr. 'X' that you guys have a lot of nerve coming to this list and asking for assistance in what's probably an illegal and illegitimate investigation in the first place, looking to claim another victim in the seemingly never-ending destruction of the rights of the common man by the faceless fascist government regime. Or, to sum up, piss off. At 12:17 PM 10/8/98 -0600, X wrote: >Jeff, > >Good luck in your pursuit. I think, in the future, you might want to offer >us the customary 800 number to call you on to rat on our acquaintances. > >Two things worry me about your approach: > >1) how do you know what emails I get and why in the world do you think it's >any of your business? > >2) is this suspicion by acquaintance? > >I'm sure you already know this, but I just recently joined the list so I >know nothing about anything threatening on this list. The biggest threat I >see is from people publicizing that the government is sniffing out email >addresses and categorizing them based on what they _receive._ > >Dangerous pursuit, dangerous precedent. > >Watch what side you're on. > >X > >(although I have to admit, you have a lot of guts to come in here and ask >'free-thinking individuals" to help you gang up on a guy.) > >~> -----Original Message----- >~> From: Gordon Jeff INSP [mailto:Jeff.Gordon@inspection.irs.gov] >~> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:42 AM >~> To: 'm1tca00(a)frb.gov' >~> Subject: Request for Assistance >~> >~> >~> Hello, >~> >~> The IRS and United States Attorney's office are looking for assistance >~> in a criminal investigation involving threatening messages which were >~> posted to the Cypherpunks mailing list. This e-mail address was noted >~> to be one of those which receives the Cypherpunks list. I would >~> appreciate it if you would contact me to discuss whether you would be >~> willing to assist us in this matter, and what records or information you >~> have relating to the Cypherpunks list. You can contact me at this >~> e-mail address or at (503) 326-2787. >~> >~> Thanks >~> >~> Jeff >~> >~>

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:21:32 +0200 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > > HOW MUCH CODE DID 'CYPHERPUNK' TIM MAY EVER WRITE? > How much have YOU written (as if anyone really cares)? ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Something else about 'freedom'...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It doesn't mean the creation of a social or economic state (or lack of one) that promotes the abuse or belittlement of others 'freedoms'. I'd still like to see an explanation of how anarcho-capitalist or free-market promoters expect this to be resolved. My suspicion is that this sort of opportunity is *exactly* what they want. Then *they* get to be the ones using force for coercive ends. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is there an offhand reference to ECHELON in the second paragraph? National Counterintelligence Center Counterintelligence News and Developments Volume 3 September 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.nacic.gov/cind/SEPT98.htm More on French Spying The French magazine Le Point reported in mid-June that France systematically listens in on the telephone conversations and cable traffic of many businesses based in the United States and other nations. The article also reports the French Government uses a network of listening stations to eavesdrop and pass on commercial secrets to French businesses competing in the global economy. The article goes on to state that the French secret service, DGSE, has established listening posts in the Dordogne (Southern France) and also in its overseas territories, including French Guiana and New Caledonia. The article attributes to an unnamed "senior official within this branch of the French secret service" the claim, "This is the game of the secret war," adding that U.S. listening posts do the same. The magazine report says Germans who bought into the French Helios 1A spy satellite system are being given access to political and economic secrets as part of a Franco-German agreement to compete with a commercial information agreement between the United States and Britain. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mexican Hackers Mount Attack According to an August 1998 Reuters report, a small group of computer hackers have declared electronic war on the Mexican state. They have plastered the face of revolutionary hero Emiliano Zapata on the Finance Ministry's Web site and claim to have monitored visits by Mexican Senators to X-rated Internet sites. They also have vowed to attack official databases for incriminating numbers and publicize government bank accounts, cellular phone conversations, and e-mail addresses. So far the cyber pirates, who say they are a trio of Mexicans, appear to be more a nuisance than a serious threat, but they are serving as a wake-up call for computer security in Mexico, experts said. One of the hackers stated during an online interview with Reuters that "We protest with the weapons we have and those weapons are computers." The hackers surfaced in February when visitors to the Finance Ministry's official Web site were surprised to find Zapata staring back at them.

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