December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: faggots
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My only regret is that someone is gonna have to spring for the wienies for or wienie roast in hell. This guy's is obviously too small to use. At 05:14 PM 9/26/98 -0700, Tim May wrote: >At 12:48 PM -0700 9/26/98, CSapronett(a)aol.com wrote: >>My only regret is that I wont get to watch you all burn in hell !!! > > >Oh, but you will. > > >--Tim May > > >(This space left blank pending determ. of acceptability to the gov't.) >---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- >Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, >Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. >

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Re: Website owner/administrator
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Police would never exagerate ? Guess what...
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think the 165 year old boy has some more serious problems to worry about. Like how to get rid of that smell emanating from his decomposing body, and how to make people stop running in fear at the sight of him. Nobody like a zombie. At 11:17 PM 9/27/98 -0400, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: >==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >>Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:57:46 +0930 >>From: SSAA <Sporting.Shooters.Association(a)adelaide.on.net> >>Subject: NEWS - Toy Pistol case dismissed >>Reply-to: Sporting.Shooters.Association(a)adelaide.on.net > >THE SUNDAY TELEGRAPH, Sydney. Sept 27.by Wayne Jones. >A MAGISTRATE has dismissed charges against a 165 year old boy who faced >jail for possessin a toy cap gun. >The magistrate, Hal Halenstean, made the decision after hearing what he >described as a "silly case" on Friday. >"We all have better things to do", Mr Halenstein said, >The boy, who cannot be identified bought the toy cap gun from a toy >stall at Victoria's Dandednong Market on May 12. >Minutes later, police looking for drug dealers found the cap gun in the >boy's jacket. They charged boy with several firearm offences which carry >a jail sentence. >In court, Mr Halenstein twice gave prosecutors on opportunity to >withdraw the charges against the boy, but police indicated they would >continue to contest the case. >Using special provisions of the Sentencing Act, Mr Halenstein then >dissmissed the charges. >The boy's barrister, Arend Slink, said the court case had set a >precedent under the new gun laws. Toy cap guns could no longer be >classed as prohibited weapons, he said. >"If there is any sinister intent there are a range of serious charges >that a person could be charged with. "Mr Slink" said"But in the case of >a child possessing a toy cap gun a precedent has now been clearly set". >The Sunday Telegraph reported on May 24 the boy could face jail if found >guilty of the swrioud gun charges, which included: ># Being a non-prohibited person did possess/carry a handgun which was >not registered. ># Being a non-prohibited person did possess/ carry a handgun which ge >did not have a licecnce for under part two of the Firearms Act 1996. ># Did own a handgun whilst not authorissed by a licence under the >Firearms Act 1996 to possess a firearm. >Police had alleged the toy gun was consedered an imitation firearm inder >strict new gun laws and therefore deemed to be a prohibited weapon. >The toy gun bought by the boy is one of thousands soldacross the state. >The boy said he had bought the toy cap gun with pocket money. >THE END. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >View Democrat Firearm Policy >www.ssaa.org.au/dempolicy.html >Print, copy and distribute. > > >===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== > > >Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada > DePompadour, Société d'Importation Ltée > Limoges fine porcelain and french crystal > JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers > Instrumentation & control, LabView programming >PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html >PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 >PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C >

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propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code)
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Young writes: > On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Adam Shostack wrote: > > | If one is interested to encourage people to include crypto in their > > | applications, GNU style licenses are a step in the wrong direction. > > > > I wholeheartedly agree. Theres a number of packages out there I'd > > love to be able to use in products I'm building. Code re-use, > > customers not having to worry about what libraries we're using, and > > convincing management to free some of the stuff we're doing, are all > > good arguments in favor. The contamination bits of the GPL utterly > > prevent us from doing this. BSD, PD, or Artistic licenses are far > > preferable. > > :-) A certain person I work closely with likes to call it a virus. > Once a package is infected by some GPL code, it takes over the whole package > (according to the licence). That concisely says what is wrong with GPL for the purposes of crypto deployment to head off government key grabbing attempts. It is a license virus. A license virus with this aim: to propogate the license allowing free access to source code, and (the killer for crypto deployment!!) propogating the provision that anyone has the ability to re-sell any source code based on GNU source code. The negative implications of GPL don't hit you until you are involved in actually trying to create some commercial software. Try it, and you quickly realise that all that GNU software is useless for the commercial people's purposes. Consider: GNU says that all of their source must be GNUed if any of the code you use is. So now they have a GNU license on their software, and the other provision of the license means that anyone is allowed to take the software they are selling and re-sell it! It is indeed no wonder that their lawyers have fits. (There is a difference between GNU and GNU Library. GNU library allows you to use a library without infecting your entire software. GNU library is sort of usable.) I used to be quite pro-GNU until I tried this exercise (writing commercial crypto software for software companies) and ended up re-writing huge tracts of stuff just to remove the GNU license virus. This extra expense, hassle, etc likely kills many commercial crypto projects, and the whole aim of the game is to encourage commercial people to add crypto to their software. This aim often conflicts with RMS/FSF's aims. I have from time to time proposed the idea of a `cypherpunks license' which embodies cypherpunk goals, as distinct from RMS's particular concept of `free source', noble tho' this aim is, it conflicts with the crypto deployment aim, which for many of us takes precedence. (GNU source is actually highly restricted source -- but it guarantess that you can get it, and stops other people preventing you from getting source for derived works). All stuff I have written (non-commercially) so far has been PD. (Actually I don't even dignify it with a `this is PD' note -- I personally have zip respect for copyright, patents, licenses). However, perhaps one could do one better than PD: restrict use to propogate cypherpunk goals. eg. - You may not use this code in software which provides government back doors. And perhaps, as a condition of the license the software should display some anti-GACK slogan :-), or a URL for a site with lots of documentation on key grabbing attempts, clipper I - IV, ECHELON, etc. And perhaps: - secret service agencies can not use this software / or must pay exorbitant license fees > I've seen some people in the GNU camp argue that the BSD type licence gets > ugly because of all the 'includes code from xyz' type messages, but my > experiance is that comercial people can overcome this, but not the GPL. Agree, same experience here. > I changed from the GPL quite some time ago, primarily because I was > getting sick of email from people wanting to use a library of mine > but their legal people were going into spasms because of the full > implications of the GPL. I was saying to Werner in email that SSLeay is probably the most widely used crypto package in both commercial and non-commercial software. I suggested that if you had used GPL, the commercial use would have been greatly hindered. You backed this up above. btw. I consider this discussion is highly topical for coderpunks -- the license put on software hugely impacts it's value, and coderpunks was originally intended (by it's proposers) to provide a lower noise environment for cypherpunks interested in code. Of late it appears to me that coderpunks has almost lost interest in it's cypherpunk origins -- few to none of the comments relate to creating crypto code to further a political aim. `cypherpunks write code ...' for a reason, and I suspect some coderpunks have lost sight of that reason, or perhaps many have joined more recently and never had sight of it, crypto coding being just a job to them. In all it might seem even that coderpunks has had a negative impact on the amount of crypto coding happening -- it ciphoned off coders who had been active on cypherpunks into a low volume, apolitical mailing list where nothing much happens, and propsed projects quickly die. The role of the coderpunks retro-moderators, though well meaning of course, I think has not helped either, in that even questions about export (surely relevant for usefulness of code) are flagged as off-topic. Adam

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Twofish News: New Twofish Analaysis and the Cryptanalysis of Magenta
by Bruce Schneier 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There are two new papers on the Twofish website: - The second Twofish Technical Report, where we give the results of our empirical verification of some Twofish key uniqueness properties. This result gives us further confidence that there are no related or weak keys. - An initial cryptanalysis of Magenta, one of the other AES submissions. This short paper was written at the first AES workshop, hours after the Magenta algorithm was first released. Certainly there are improvements to this attack, and beginning cryptography students would do well to work on this algorithm. Both of these papers are on the Twofish website: http://www.counterpane.com/twofish.html Also, the Twofish Pentium assembly code had a small bug in it; revised code is available on the website. We are interested in other implementations of Twofish. If anyone has ported the algorithm to Visual Basic, Perl, Motorola assembly, or any other smart card processor, and is willing to make their code public, we'd be happy to hear from them. For other AES news, visit the NIST website at: http://www.nist.gov/aes And for a free subscription to my free email monthly newsletter, CRYPTO-GRAM, visit the subscription page at: http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html Cheers, Bruce ********************************************************************** Bruce Schneier, President, Counterpane Systems Phone: 612-823-1098 101 E Minnehaha Parkway, Minneapolis, MN 55419 Fax: 612-823-1590 Free crypto newsletter. See: http://www.counterpane.com

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propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:45:20 +0100 > From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > Subject: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code) > The negative implications of GPL don't hit you until you are involved > in actually trying to create some commercial software. Try it, and > you quickly realise that all that GNU software is useless for the > commercial people's purposes. There are quite a few commercial apps built for the GNU environment, Wordperfect, Applixware, at least 2 X-window environments, etc. The way to program for the GNU license in the commercial world is not to use the libraries and such directly but rather built the necessary stubs into the GPL code. That they'll be there when you (and potentialy others might need them). In the case of GNU/cash for example the trick is not to build the crypt into the app but rather built the necessary *general* stubs in that allow access to the data flow. Then a user can put a mulitplicity of packages onto the appropriate stubs as they desire. This would allow a couple of individuals for example to build a micro-e$ system to track their CD trades/borrows or whatever (contrived but exemplary). This could be applied in more commercial ventures within the context of e$ tokens that could be used within that business for purchases (pawn shops, video arcades, movie rentals, etc. might find this useful) that are currently physical token or credit based. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, It has been asserted that the use of GNU code within a project causes that product to be GPL'ed and as a result the GPL is not commercialy viable. This is an incorrect interpretation. The GPL does say that if you use GPL'ed code in your project then the project is GPL'ed, it does NOT say that if you make function calls into a GPL'ed library that the product is GPL'ed. This distinction makes fully commercial and source-secure products within the GPL infrastructure possible and feasible. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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One Nation Update
by Scott Balson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Flowers for Alger Anon - FPP#3 The two youths ducked quickly behind a tree to avoid being spotted by the senile old fart who had finally given up on finding his shoes and climbed barefoot up the step-ladder to begin drilling out the cannon muzzle on the War Surplus Army Tank he had recently acquired. As he labored he mumbled grouchily to himself about how he was going to "show that Commie Bastard, Igor", and all of the other former residents of The Home(TM) what he thought of their efforts to take over "his" CypherPunks Mailing List. "Distributed, my ass!" the old fart scowled as he climbed down the ladder, then grinned madly as he patted the stack of shells sitting next to the tank. "I'll distribute those bastards...They should'a Checked The Archives", he said, pausing to scratch his head and add, "TradeMark". Then continuing, "before they fucked with me. Then they'da seen how I ChopChopped them Torah- Torah Bastards when they tried to muscle in on my list." "It's 'mine'!" the grouchy, paranoid old fart shouted, turning his head around quickly in all directions, as if challenging, and half-expecting, Unseen Beings to dispute his claim. The two youngsters ducked and tried not to giggle as they ran down the hill, finally collapsing on the dirt road near the bottom and venting their laughter. Tim C. May was the most hilarious of the Cypher Punks they'd investigated so far, but 'all' of the CPUNX were "more than suitable", as Carol Anne Cypherpunk had declared while they were evaluating Jim Choate, "for slicing and buttering, and placing on a tray of Christmas snacks." Blanc Weber had agreed heartily with the new coconspirator (sometimes spelled with a hyphen), in their 'Quest to Question Anonymity', as the Army o' Dog-Bitch Battallion Warrior Godesses, as they had proclaimed them- selves, had Code Named their Chosen Mission From Dog. Carol Anne, choosing Androgyny over Anonymity, changed her name to Carroll for The Mission, vowing to balance the Tao by taking on any tasks requiring "male energy", which, on a CypherPunks Mission From Dog(TM), Carroll stated with a straight face, might include "blowing Dimitri". The Girls(Maybe) split a gut laughing over Blanc's reply that, being of a more peaceful nature than the 'Nuke DC Clique', they might have to "blow" their way out of dangerous situations by the use of Soft Targets rather than with Heavy Weaponry. Then they decided to get serious, before they, too, became candidates for The Home. Blanc Weber, a veteran Cypher Punk Cult of One Neophyte(TM) had felt slighted when the Author, a relative newcomer to the CPUNX list (at least under his 'TOTO' persona), had chosen to initiate two male Cypher Punks, Back and McCrackin, into his 3-Entity Circle of Eunuchs Gorilla Cell, instead of including Blanc, who had established a fairly close rapport with TOTO in their private email exchanges. Even more to Blanc's surprise, disappointment, and suspicion, TOTO failed to respond even to her offer to engage in joint Army of Dog Maneuvers with him across various Electronic Boundaries of the InterNet. She had begun to suspect that TOTO's lack of response to her Digital Warrior overtures were the result of something more sinister than simple male chauvinism. Her suspicions were confirmed when she caught up with TOTO, using his CJ Parker alias, at Defcon 6.0, as he was Pontificating, under the guise of 'Chief Cypher Punks Spokes Person', on the 'Anonymizer', for a guillible group of young hackers. "It is run by a HedgeHog riding Lance's Coat Tails, since Lance invented that thing that hangs on the back of toilet bowls, and the Anonymizer is the Blue Thing that hangs on the back of the hard drive. Blanc, stunned that TOTO, who claimed to be the Author, was a Total Fucking Moron (TM), listened as he continued . "The Anonymizer prevents Peeping TOMS from being able to tell whose hairy dick is making a bad smell on the carpet of the recipient's computer, after No Mail from NoBody comes out of the Email Chutechute. Blanc realized that CJ Parker was also a Total Fucking Lunatic(TM) as he glanced furtively around to whisper a dire warning to the spellbound young hackers hanging on his everyword. "And the Peeping Toms are everywhere. "As a matter of fact", he added glancing quickly over both shoulders, "when you can't see them at all..." he paused for effect, "...then you know that they're 'good'". "Real good", he added, turning to direct his wild-eyed stare at Blanc, who had just finished going through his knapsack while he was distracted. Blanc had hurried away, deeply disturbed by what she had found in TOTO's bag. It wasn't just stationery from The Home--it was 'personalized' stationery from The Home for the Criminally Insane. Blanc Weber's confusion and suspicions deepened when her attempts to warn other CPUNKS about TOTO were ignored by all except the few apparent females on the list, such as Carol Anne Cypherpunk and World Renowned Bottle Collector Lynn Harrison (who was long rumored to have joined the male-dominated mailing list only as a forum to trade her panties to young CPUNX in the throbbing throes of puberty, in return for the Standard Issue Klien Bottles, they received upon joining the Digital Anarchist Union, Local 01, rumored to be headquartered in Bienfait, Saskatchewan). When The Girls(Maybe) of the Bitch Battallion took to the road to investigate the remaining CypherPunks, they quickly discovered that 'all' of the verifiable Meat Space Personalities they positively linked to the various Cyperpunks Consistent Net Personas (TM) were, in fact, certifiably Cuckoo Cock Suckers(TM) in MeatSpace Reality. With the only readily apparent link between them being their connection to the Home for the Criminally Insane. Some of the MeatSpace Personalities behind the Digital Personas on the CPUNX Mailing List--Ian Goldberg, Alec de Jeune, Ulf Moeller, Peter Trei and Jim Choate--were Highly Social Sociopaths, capable of putting ona suit and tie, if need be, and glad-handing business people and purchasing agents (all the while slitting their sleeping throats, in the Dark Corners of their mind). John Gilmore, Declan McCullagh, Robert Hettinga, Vin McClellan, even Froomkin--all of the Mainstream Dream/Actively Connected To Society/Cypherpunks MeatSpace Verifiable Identities, without fail, shared the same connection to The Home as id the Lithium Dream/Social Outcast CPUNX Meatballs such as T.C. May, A.T. Hun, Wm Geiger III, S. Sequencr, JYA, and the late Dale Thorn (whose mysterious death was rumored to be the work of the Shadowy Figures(TM) lurking behind the ctrl-alt-delete.com website). Blanc and Carroll watched in total amazement as Jim Choate's ludicrous/inane computer and business theories seemed to be somehow transformed, by unseen hands working behind the scenes, into fully functional and viable RealWorld(TM) concepts, in Choate's work with the Armadillo Group. The Unseen Hands made The Girls(Maybe) very, very nervous. What pushed the Army of Dog-Bitch Battalion Warrior Godesses beyond nervousness, toward Paranoia & Fear, was the fact that the MeatSpace Personalities behind the Digital Personas of the CypherPunks inevitably appeared to be verifiable outside of The Home 'only after the CPUNKS PERSONA'S original appearance on the mailing list'. A Cloaked Anonymous Random Source(TM) that The Girls(Maybe) knew only as Digital Throat, speaking to Larynx in an UnderGround Reptilian Nazi Parking Garage in DC (after having been fooled into believing she was talking to Defcon McCullagh Chain Saw). told them, "I was the head of the Personelle Department at Intel, at the time Tim May claims to have been there. "Even though we couldn't spell the name of our Department right, let alone the names of the employees, I never forget a face, and Tim C. May definitely was never employed at Intel. "As a matter of fact", Digital Throat revealed, "when Intel's Legall Department sent Mr. May a letter that warned him to Cease & Decist with his claims, he showed up on our doorstep, barefoot, in a MailMan's Uniform, with a Veritable ShitLoad(TM) of heavy weapons and arms, and, after that, as far as most of us were concerned, if Tim c. May said he was the goddam 'President' of Intel, then he was the goddam President--end of story." Blanc Weber and Carol Anne Cypherpunk found the same patterns repeated time and again in their investiga- tions of CypherPunks MeatSpace Ident Histories. Records, Information and Data-- such as birth certificates, school records, credit and employment histories-- were not only 'existant', but were inevitably 'consistent' with claims made in posts to the CPUNKS mailing list, in regard to the MeatSpace Ident Histories behind the Digital Personas. However, once The Girls(Maybe) had begun researching the Human Historical Records of the MeatSpace Ident Histories--speaking to alleged friends, family, coworkers, and the like--the paper Trails quickly unravelled, and the Physical Ident Histories of ALL of the male subscribers to the CypherPunks Disturbed Male LISP were, in the end, traceable 'only' back to the Home... <EOF>

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Superterrorism
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Fall issue of Foreign Policy has an article, "The Great Superterrorism Scare," which critiques the national "obsession" with the threat of terrorist use of weapons of mass destruction: http://jya.com/superterror.htm (36K) It examines the reasons for the obsession, who is promoting it, who benefits, and what problems it may cause by diverting attention and resources away from genuine threats of lesser magnitude from religious cults, loners, antitaxers, militias and those with raging paranoia against the government. It's worth noting that the author recommends arrests be allowed of suspicious domestic hostiles though there is no proof of criminal intent, and that the FBI and CIA be freed from limitations on surveilling and investigating US citizens.

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