December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Scorched Earth
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

URL: http://cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/9808/09/se.01.html :: Special Event :: :: Investigating the President: Can Bill Clinton Escape the Perjury Trap? :: :: Aired August 9, 1998 - 4:00 p.m. ET :: :: :: Gene Randall in Washington :: DAVID CORN, "THE NATION" MAGAZINE :: DONALD LAMBRO, "WASHINGTON TIMES" :: ALEXIS SIMENDINGER, "NATIONAL JOURNAL" :: :: :: RANDALL: Don, you've got a story today about what could happen if :: Republicans press for impeachment on, basically, a sex case against the :: president. A Democratic scorched-earth policy against the GOP. Tell us :: about that? :: :: LAMBRO: Well, a number of reports, and I talked to other Democrats who :: confirm this, that if this goes to House of Representatives, if there is :: an impeachment inquiry, it is going to be a scorched-earth policy by the :: Democrats to go after the Republicans in the House, in the leadership, :: dig up all the dirt they can on leadership, on members, Republican members :: of the House Judiciary Committee. It's going to be the same thing they :: did in campaign finance scandal -- Everybody does it, what's the big deal. :: :: RANDALL: Would this fly? :: :: CORN: Well, people I talk to don't really have a -- it's more a sentiment :: than a plan. And I don't think it's actually going to come into being :: because we're not even going to get close to impeachment, because it's :: just not in the Republicans' political interest to drag this stuff up, :: and if people go back look at what Newt Gingrich did with his first :: wife, and all this stuff. It's just -- they have no political interest :: in doing this, so they will not do so. :: :: RANDALL: We got to get Alexis in here. :: :: SIMENDINGER: You don't need to execute the plan. You just have to let :: people think it's out there, and it's going to have a chilling effect. :: :: LAMBRO: The Democrats, I think, are closer than you think. They just hired :: three lawyers to prepare them for impeachment on the Judiciary Committee. :: :: CORN: Well, how many have the Republicans hired already; they have a :: whole task force on impeachment that has been studying the issue. They :: are going to blink. They are not going to do this. :: :: LAMBRO: All right, three attorneys to prepare them for impeachment :: proceedings. :: :: RANDALL: Let's all take time to blink, because we must take a :: break. Coming up, memories of Watergate and those who caution on getting :: those memories straight. Stay with is. :: :: (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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Questions for Magaziner?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I spoke at the Electronic Payments Forum here in Boston today, and, tomorrow, the keynote for tomorrow's lunch is Ira Magaziner. (BTW, Bill was speaking tonight at the same hotel the conference is in, probably a bilderberger conspiracy thing, and, when I got out, there was about a thousand protesters, about 80/20 against, complete with one guy dressed as a giant cigar, shades of Butt Man?, and a couple of women with big brunette hair and blue dresses on. With pearl necklaces, of course...) Anyway, In light of more recent crypto-shenanigans from Billary, and the fact that this thing's a small crowd, I figured I'd ask if anyone on these lists had a question they wanted me to ask him. One I want to ask, right off the top of my head is, "Given your recent successes in regulating foreign cryptography, what's your timetable for regulating domestic cryptography?" ;-). (To the extent that they already *do*, or not, I'll leave as an exercise for the reader...) Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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thanks...
by Bernardo B. Terrado 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like to thank the f for helping me... CORY BOB RIC ANONYMOUS DUTRA R KEN XENA... BILL ALBERT MIKE JIM mgraffam jya and those that helped me with other things. I cannot remember you all coz my pc or whoever did deleted your messages to me without my knowledge.(it just disappeared) Your replies helped me with my seminar. THANK YOU! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Some people they might say that I'm hard to get to know. I go my own sweet way, well that maybe so. Something about the crowd that makes me walk alone. I never had a need in me to be the party's life and soul. It's me Bernie. metaphone(a)altavista.net ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

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by STUFFED NEWS DAILY 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Democracy...
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I woe the day that government and church are not seperated and I am forced to side with one religion. It would be another freedom wrongfully taken from me. I would fight back, the same way the country secured it's independence the first time. I take my freedom very seriously. Facists like you that want to distort the constitution to make introduce a non-existant person at the top will hopefully get blasted down in the senate as you have been before. I would consider laws restricting my freedom as an attack and will be forced to defend myself. ---"Brian B. Riley" <brianbr(a)together.net> wrote: > > On 9/15/98 10:27 PM, Jaeger (Jaeger(a)hempseed.com) passed this wisdom: > > > > >hey, would you care to show us where "seperation of church and state" is > >to be found in the constitution/bill of rights? absolute right and > >wrong is not a religious belief (necessarily).. your religious beliefs > >do not affect the nature of reality. there are absolute truths by > > [snip] > > >> Ever heard of seperation of church and state? Democracy? the rights of > >> > >> the individual? While you certainly have the right to practice your > >> religion in what ever manner you so choose demanding that everyone > >> else > >> does, or that the president of the us of ais subject to you PERSONAL > >> faith decisions is outragous > > The first amendment states only that there shall not be 'an > establishment of religion' it says nada about 'separation of church and > state.' The intention was simple; that there would never be an > 'official' state religion. It didn't say religion had no place. They were > escaping a regime with an established state religion that used the > goverment to stamp out religious deviationism. That was the sole reason > for that clause in the 1st amendment. > > Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr > For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> > > "...if you drink much from a bottle marked "poison." > and it is almost certain to disagree with you, sooner or later" > _Alice in Wonderland_: (Lewis Carroll) > > >

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cypherpunks, Are You Infringing someone's trademark rights?
by hark12＠eudoramail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Clinton's fake apologies (fwd)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Jim Choate wrote: > I figure it's the fact that 'principles' are involved that is confusing > everybody, no room to move like there is with relativism. Bottem line, he > held a public office, while in that office he should commit *NO* crime or > else he should loose that office. There was no abmiguity there in the minds > of the founding fathers and there shouldn't be in yours either. If this > confuses you then take it as an indication that you have a axiomatic > contradiction in your world view and need to rethink things in a serious > way. > > As Jefferson said, if you hold a public office your public property. > > Nail the son of a bitch to the wall, he did the crime let him do the time. > > It's a pitty he doesn't have this sort of empathy for all those people he's > put in jail for consensual crimes during his tenure. The man has a base > double standard, let him pay for it. I agree totally, but this has a somewhat deeper point. The idiots in government sign into law all sorts of unconstitutional or nonsensical legislation. As far as I'm concerned, it ought to be a law that for *ANY* crime they commit they are thrown out of office and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Of course it would never happen, but if it were to happen I think we'd see massive repeals of all this bogus legislation. "Senator, you have an encrypted file on your laptop. As per the Domestic Cryptography Prohibition Act, I am here to seize your computer, the office it is in, freeze your assets, and take you into custody. You will be ejected from the Senate, effective immediately. If convicted, you will spend the next five years at hard labor." "But...But I didn't know it was there! It was a virus which put it there!" "Ignorance of your violations of the law are no excuse. It says so in that Act." "Who is the idiot who passed this?!" "You introduced it, sir. It was something about protecting the children and how anybody who uses cryptography is a pedophile or something like that." Later that night, on the news: "Senator X was ejected from the Senate, arrested, jailed, and charged today with unlawful possession of random numbers. Later it was announced that former Senator X was charged with trafficing in child pornography." The next day: "In a daring no-knock morning raid, a flurry of automatic weapons fire occured and former Senator X's family was killed in the exchange. An FBI agent was quoted as saying, 'She was wielding an assault baby and we had to take her down.'" "It has just been announced that former Senator X is being charged under the Domestric Cryptography Prohibition Act, which he sponsored, with 'crypto in a crime.' This carries an additional penalty of 10 years. When asked what crime the cryptography was used in, an FBI representative answered, 'Given what Senator X argued on the floor of the senate when he introduced this bill, we're sure there is child pornography there somewhere. Like he said, the only reason to use cryptography is if you have something to hide, like child pornography or plans for widespread global armageddon. Because he used cryptography, we don't know where or what that porn is, but we're sure it's there somewhere.'" Three years later: "Former Senator X was convicted today of one count of 'crypto in a crime,' five counts of possession of cryptography without a license, eight counts of child porn (one for each encrypted file), and one count of intent to use weapons of mass destruction. In a swift action, he was sentenced to six consecutive life terms, to be served at hard labor." "Jim, isn't all this agaist the Bill of Rights?" "Well, Tom, it used to be, but since they repealed it..." *fade to black*

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Re: Democracy... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:18:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Brian W. Buchanan" <brian(a)smarter.than.nu> > Subject: Re: Democracy... > Incorrect. A parking ticket, like a speeding ticket or other minor > traffic violations is classified as an "infraction", not a misdemeanor. > Apparently, even the govts. recognizes that there are so many laws on the > books now that one can't possibly hope to avoid breaking them. They're still at least a Class C misdemeanor in the state of Texas. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CJ Message
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This allegedly is forwarded from CJ, though from an unknown source so think twice: Thu, Sep 09 1998 part of a communication received via the anonymous route: "In the meantime, I hope that anyone who has possession of the PGP Secret Keys for Toto, TruthMonger, Son of Gomez, Magic Circle, etc., feels free to use them to digitally sign messages to the CyperPunks Disturbed Male LISP. "Passwords: sog, sog709, sog709cejCJP,sog709cjpCEJ, D'Shauneaux, D'shauneaux, and others..." --------- Some of CJ's amazing output related to the message above is archived at: http://www.uneedus.com/~dave/library.html See "Psychotic."

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RF networks, spread spectrum (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:31:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Greg Broiles <gbroiles(a)netbox.com> > Subject: RF networks, spread spectrum > Cpunks interested in radio networking and spread spectrum apps might find > the following links useful - > > <http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/fhsspaper.97.html> describes the design of > a 900 mhz spread spectrum 128kb/s TCP/IP radio network with 10baseT > input/outputs; > > <http://www.tapr.org/ss/qexss.html> provides an overview of spread > spectrum projects/regulations/applications > > <http://www.tapr.org/ss/index.html> has links to more spread spectrum > stuff. Another source of related information is the AX.25 Level 2 support built into the current Linux kernels. If you're using SuSE 5.3 it's located on the install CD at: /unsorted/Amateur-Funk & /usr/src/linux/Documentation/networking/ax25.txt In the SuSE manual (pp. 188) it says: "Enables data transfer via CB" ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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