December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Satellite phones and Net-connections: new space race (fwd)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:31:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Satellite phones and Net-connections: new space race I can't give you a URL to my satellite article in this week's Time magazine; it won't be on our web site for another week. --- Time Magazine September 28, 1998 Pages B18-B22 The Super-Cell By Declan McCullagh The Iridium consortium and rival joint ventures are closing in on their goal of making sat phones into multibillion-dollar mainstays of the info-superhighway --- Also worth checking out is an article by Tamala Edwards on the Vermont Senate race, in which an honest-to-goodness 79-year old dairy farmer is running against incumbent Dem Patrick Leahy. You'll remember Leahy is the architect of the Digital Telephony wiretapping law, but was also a vocal opponent of the CDA. -Declan

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Re: Clinton's fake apologies (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:03:50 -0400 > From: Duncan Frissell <frissell(a)panix.com> > Subject: Re: Clinton's fake apologies (fwd) > and you don't want to do a Referral with insufficient proof. Notice that > even with proof of multiple felonies the Clintonistas say that they aren't > important felonies. Next time somebody gets busted for possession with intent they need to make reference to this case... "But ladies and gentlemen of the jury, as our President has claimed and clearly demonstrated by his remaining in office, for a person to be convicted on a felony it has to be an important felony. The defence has not proven that this felony has sufficient weight for prosecution. You have no choice but to aquit my client." ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: This is a listed crime?
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Jim Choate wrote: > >> dont want to take the time to look up the 18 USC reference, but >> providing deliberately false information to _any_ federal agent >> is a felony-- that includes the IRS. if nothing else, such as >> telling a federal agent to fuck-off, they will charge you with >> obstruction of justice. > >The trick is to tell them you are using your Constitutional right to refuse >to answer under the 5th. At that point they can arrest you, and you get >protection via a lawyer and the other processes, or they can go away. If >after this responce they continue to ask you question they are in fact >harassing you and you can press charges for that. > agreed, in theory. but how do you protect yourself when two or more take the stand and swear under oath that you said: "......" or, even: "I dont know nuthin' 'bout it" --which has already been interpreted to a lie it can be proved to a material witness, etc. dealing with the Feds is very similiar to the pecking order of traffic which was suggest to me once in Zuerich: trolleys lorries buses natives presume the man with a badge and a gun is a native. the burden of proof is on you that an agent of our honest, democratically elected government is harassing you. I have seen clear evidence of wiretapping presented, the judge called two gestapos to the stand, and asked them point blank: "did you wiretap [authorized or unauthoized], or were you aware of a wiretap; or did you receive reliable or unreliable information which might have been only obtainable by wiretap or bugging?" and watch both agents straight face lie --one going so far as to say: "no, your Honor, that would be against the law. in the same vein of evidence: why do "officers of the law" carry an extra Saturday Night Special? --in case they drop someone, they can justify their assassination on the basis the deceased was armed and dangerous; or, why does a wanted poster for a meek bean counter who disappeared after touching his employer say: "presume armed and dangerous"? --covers LEOs if they drop the miscreant on sight. the intent of the laws should be evident to everyone. the reality of the laws is the rules of evidence are heavily loaded in favour of the armed and dangerous officers sworn to uphold the law --as they see fit. a little old lady who only walks to the store and to church can be busted for something --be creative. the U.S. legal system has been distorted to the point it could easily be considered the enforcement arm of a totalitarian state. I do consider we have had a valid government since 08 Mar 1933 when FDR, 4 days after his inaugeration hoodwinked Congress into make 'us' the enemy in the Trading With the Enemy Act of 1917, validating the executive order, and declaring a national emergency. all three actions still stand -the national emergency continues. the American theory is wonderful; the American experience not always so wonderful. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be. Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNgaRlj7vNMDa3ztrEQJZqQCgrmq55Z0oX7grZURPfY8G8qWyU5IAnjvw ZdQyAZK10TYHumCKvTgjZxXo =HJaz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: atheism (was: RE: Democracy... (fwd)) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:18:28 +0000 (GMT) > From: attila <attila(a)hun.org> > Subject: Re: atheism (was: RE: Democracy... (fwd)) (fwd) > father: so... you "deny" God's existence since their is no > "proof" of His existence. did you ever consider that in > order to "deny" anything, you must have defined that > concept? in other words, to deny God, you must have > determined that I or someone else has defined God in > order for you to be able to "deny" God? So, what has the issue of defining something got to do with its existance? Is this bozo really claiming that God can only exist unless somebody thinks him up? Sounds like religous hubris to me... God was shinning on this asshole that he never had to argue face to face with me at that age... > counselor: is there a difference between belief and faith? The spelling. > father: aethism is a concept which is almost impossible to > define as it is a denial that if it could it doesnt. > it is much easier to defend "agnosticism" where you > admit you do not believe, or have faith, because you > lack sufficient scientific proof. aethism is not > doubting, it is denying, even in the face of proof. Agnosticism has *nothing* to do with scientific proof. It existed eons before anyone even thought of the scientific method. Skepticism is a part of human nature, not philosophy, beliefs, or science. Atheism is saying that while God could exist he doesn't. In other words it is the belief that God doesn't exist and can't be proven contrary. There is a fundamental belief that all proofs are flawed. Agnosticism is the inability to believe one way or the other. It could be characterized by a total lack of faith in anything (assuming one doesn't want to argue about the meaning of 'total' and 'anything'). What keeps agnosticism appart from nearly all other beliefs is that it is really trying to answer two question and not one (Does God exist?), they are: 1. Does God exist? 2. Do I believe the proof in 1.? It is the embodyment of skeptiscism. The fact that most religions that accept 1. accept 2. as a given is why they are hubric. > suppose you die, and despite your lack of belief or > faith, you find yourself before the throne of God. My own personal suspicion is he's going to ask you whether you lived your beliefs even in the face of overwhelming opposition. As long as you say "Yes" he's going to be a happy camper. To borrow a Christian icon, he's going to want to know if you worshiped false idols. > they believe as truth, is futile. I will accept, without trying to > change, anyone's "religious" beliefs as their beliefs; I only ask > they extend the same tolerance to me. Ditto. Since this doesn't particular avenue has little more to be said I'm going to drop it. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [short] Updated quote from Allan Rock (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:07:49 -0400 > From: "Edwin E. Smith" <edsmith(a)IntNet.net> > Subject: Re: [short] Updated quote from Allan Rock > I wonder if this fellow would allow that the protection of HIS life > is "NOT a legitimate use for a firearm...". It is further clear the police don't carry them for their own protection either. Wonder why they do carry them?... ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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US Complaints in Embassy Bombings
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We offer three of the US complaints in the embassy bombings: http://jya.com/usa-v-qaeda.htm These describe charges against Wadih el Hage, Mohamed Sadeek Odeh and Haroun Fazil, filed in New York's Southern District. El Hage is the American arrested last week that Guy referred to with the "This is a listed crime?" thread. NYT reports on El Hage and Fazil: http://jya.com/fazil-el-hage.htm Odeh is the first suspect arrested at the Pakistani border. Fazil is an explosives expert charged with making the Nairobi bomb and directing the op. He is a fugitive with a $2m reward offered. All are allegedly members of Qaeda, Bin Laden's "international terrorist" group aiming to kill Yanks worldwide for Echelon-type stuff. Know who's with Jim and CJ at Springfield? Blind Sheik Omar of World Trade Center bombing fame and Mafioso John Gotti, who nearly croaked from lack of dental care at another pen. The place has a distinguished history. See its honor roll on Alta Vista. Search "Medical Facility for Federal Prisoners."

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RE: atheism (was: RE: Democracy... (fwd)) (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > As I've demonstrated before (and for the last time): > > ^(A) = (^A) f() = belief function A = hypothesis ^ = not f(^A) != ^f(A) At least not without placing requirements on f(). Then you claim everything is a belief, so f() is meaningless. But then you deny A == A when you claimed that metaphysical objectivity is a belief, so what was the point in writing the equation in the first place? Go transcend. Matt

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RE: This is a listed crime?
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> silence obstruction of justice > false information lying to a federal agent in course of ... > ... Regarding the 5th amendment and other laws and precedence involving the right to remain silent, the right against self-incrimination, etc, how far could one carry that as an excuse to remain silent? I mean I have no doubt given the number of laws and regulations on the books that I will say something self-incriminating by some obscure law and/or obscure interpretation every sixth or seventh sentence. Matt

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by galliart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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