December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Announce: SF cypherpolitech dinner, Friday 21 Aug, 6pm: Khan Toke
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan (of fight-censorship/politech fame), Solveig (of those wacky libertarians at the Cato Institute), and John (a reported maverick who cracks codes) invite you to a San Francisco social dinner for cypherpunks, politechnicals, and related species. Declan and Solveig are visiting SF briefly, and want to stir some of the locals out to a watering hole. We've reserved a room at a good Thai restaurant, full of sunken tables and beautiful carved wood. Please RSVP to Declan at <declan(a)well.com> if you think you're coming; this will help us let the restaurant know what to expect. But if on Friday night you end up wanting to come, come anyway, whether or not you RSVP'd. The restaurant is: Khan Toke Thai Restaurant 5937 Geary Blvd (at 24th Avenue). San Francisco, CA +1 415 668 6654 Friday, 21 August 01998, 6:00PM It's in the Richmond district of SF, out toward the ocean and north. >From Marin, cross the bridge and take the first exit south toward 19th Avenue, which puts you on Park Presidio Ave. Turn right on Geary and go to 24th. Park in the neighborhood. >From I-280, take 19th Avenue, follow it north through the city and through Golden Gate Park. When you exit the park, you'll be on Park Presidio Ave. You can't turn left anywhere along there, so pass Geary, and at the next block (Clement), take three rights instead. Head west on Geary to 24th Avenue. >From US-101 or I-80, get to SF and take the North 101 branch of the freeway. Take the Van Ness Avenue exit, go right at the bottom, snake leftish across Mission and Market Streets, and you'll be going north on Van Ness. In about ten blocks, take a left on Geary. Follow it all the way to 24th Avenue. >On transit, take the 38 Geary bus. You can catch it at the BART Montgomery station, or at the Transbay Terminal. See you there! John

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The greatest threat to democracy ...
by x 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

... is not restrictive crypto regulations. It's Radio Free Disney. Clinton's Job Approval Rating Up Broad Support for Strikes By Gary Langer ABCNEWS Polling Analyst Aug. 21 Americans overwhelmingly support the U.S. strikes against suspected terrorist sites in Afghanistan and Sudan, and by a 2-1 margin they reject the suggestion that President Clinton ordered the attack to divert attention from the Monica Lewinsky scandal, an ABCNEWS poll has found. Job Approval Up Eighty percent support the missile attack, and 64 percent believe Clinton ordered it mainly to fight terrorism, not because he wanted to turn attention away from the Lewinsky case. Thirty percent subscribe to the Wag the Dog theory; thats been about the size of Clintons hard-core detractors since the Lewinsky scandal broke. Thursday nights survey found a five-point increase in Clintons job approval rating, to 65 percenthis best in ABC polling since early April. And 68 percent say they trust him to handle the U.S. response to terrorismeven though, in an ABCNEWS poll Wednesday night, a record low of 24 percent rated him as honest and trustworthy. Support for the strikes Yes No Support the missile strike 80% 14% Trust Clinton to handle terrorism 68% 28% Approve of Clinton's job performance 65% 32% Will Strikes Reduce Terrorism? The public divides evenly on whether the missile strikes will reduce terrorism directed against the United States, or increase it. Among those who expect the strikes to reduce terrorism, 98 percent are in support. But even among those who expect it to increase terrorism, 68 percent support the U.S. missile strikes nonetheless. Support also is non-partisan, drawing eight in 10 Democrats, Republicans and independents alike. Finally, 55 percent said they do think the Lewinsky matter is interfering with Clintons ability to serve effectively as president. But considerably fewerabout half that numberthink its interfering a great deal. This survey was conducted by telephone Thursday night among a random national sample of 510 adults. The results have a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 points. Field work by Chilton Research Services of Horsham, Pa.

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tape into the mail this afternoon
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friday 8/21/98 10:09 AM Laszlo Baranyi http://www.qainfo.se/~lb/crypto_ag.htm Got your letter, postcard, and business card this morning! THANKS! Looks like you got. /\/\/\/\ Tuesday 7/7/98 6:57 PM Laszlo Baranyi You DID NOT mention the Swiss radio international radio broadcasts. http://www.qainfo.se/~lb/crypto_ag.htm Send me a snail mail address and I will send you a copy. Using postcard, of course pob 14838 abq, nm 87191 usa Gustavus J Simmons Cryptanalysis and Protocol Failures COMMUNICATIONS OF THE ACM, November 1994, vol 37, no 11, page 56 The 'spiking' story, in obscure language. Simmons and R J Hanson http://sina.tcamc.uh.edu/~haskell/rjh/rjhres.html were two of the most responsible people for me coming to Sandia from Washington State U. Here are two of my former Ph.D. students in computer science from wsu. http://www.mhpcc.edu/general/john.html http://www.friction-free-economy.com NSA employee PAUL BRIDGE in about 1987 told me that Simmons was a security risk and that I should not talk to Simmons. In about 1992 I figured out something was fishy and began to talk to Simmons again. Simmons told me that he asked NSA employees Morris and Proto 1 NSA is sorry it delegated responsibility for implementation of electronic locks in the us nuclear arsenal to Sandia. 2 NSA wants the business back. Simmons told me neither Morris or Proto would respond to his question. Let's ALL http://www.wpiran.org/ hope for settlement of this UNFORTUNATE MESS. bill /\/\/\ I stopped a Target department store and bought 7 Maxell URL 90 tapes. As I am writing this note to you, I am both listening to the master copy Hans Buehler sent me on January 5, 1995. I will make a copy of the envelope I received the tape in. You wrote Laszlo Baranyi 98-08-13 10:15 To: MIME:billp@mnol.com @ INTERNET cc: Subject: Re: going nowhere Best Mr. Bill Payne Yes, I am interresting of receiving the tape. I have toddy putted a printout of this email into an envelope with our company logo, and my bissnescard and sent it to your adress below. I must admit that I do not understand the purpose of want a postcard from me, but I guess that you have your reasons, and I have no problems to follow your instructions. So, the papermail is today sent to you. If you prefer, I could also sent you a PGP-signed request for the broadcast. Just let me know. It guess that it is the single missing reference that remains in order have the whole story of Crypto AG documented. My intentions with the tape is to 1) make it publicy awalible on Internet, as sound, transcript in Germany I will search for some fluid in German) and a translation to engish. 2) I will contact Swiss Radio, in order to get as much as possible verified about the tapes authentication. I would also streangthens the tapes authentication if I have your permission to mentioned that I received it from you. Is that OK? >Again, if you don't have > >broadcasts about the Buehler case that were on Swiss Radio > International on May 15, 1994 and July 18, 1994. > send me a postcard at pob 14838, abq, nm 87191, usa. > I will make a copy and send. With best regards Laszlo baranyi --- Let me respond I must admit that I do not understand the purpose of want a postcard from me, but I guess that you have your reasons, I have not been reading e-mail since about 1 April 1997 when Patty and I went to Zurich. PRIMARY REASON is that the US government is a MASTER at messing with minds. Here is a reference ... rise of acid fascism in America, including material on Charles Manson, Mel Lyman, Victor Baranco, and their followers by David Felton seen at http://www.amazon.com. "The Agency [CIA] is not an intelligence agency. It is a covert action agency whose role is to overthrow governments. Disinformation is a major part of its covert action role. The American people are the primary target of its lies." - Ralph McGehee, who worked for with the CIA for twenty-five years "Have we gone beyond the bounds of reasonable dishonesty/" A CIA memo page 55 Wierd History 101 by John Richard Stephens http://www.adamsmedia.com/ So the idea is that if I do not read what the Great Satan wrote, then the Great Satan cannot mess with my mind. Morales and I BOTH have some interesting stories of when the Great Satan WAS SUCCESSFUL messing with our minds. Each incident cost us MONEY. 1) make it publicy awalible on Internet, as sound, transcript in Germany I will search for some fluid in German) and a translation to engish. Suzy, who sent you the email in Hungarian, BY COINCIDENCE had a message on our recorder when I returned from Target with the blank tapes. I told Suzy about your letter and enclosures. Suzy is FLUENT IN GERMAN, she told me this morning. The German translation problem may be solved. I am making a copy of the Swiss Radio International broadcast tape for her at her request. 2) I will contact Swiss Radio, in order to get as much as possible verified about the tapes authentication. I would also streangthens the tapes authentication if I have your permission to mentioned that I received it from you. Is that OK? Absolutely. NOTHING IS SECURE ON INTERNET. And as a result it SURE WORKS well for some applications where visibility is CRITICAL. I attach a message that went out this morning. I read at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ this morning PESHAWAR: Saudi dissident Osama Bin Laden for the first time on Thursday denied his involvement in the August 7 bombings at the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. The 42-year-old Bin Laden contacted this correspondent on satellite phone at 9:00 pm on Thursday to convey his statement through another Islamic leader Dr Ayman Al-Zawahiri, head of Egyptian Islamic Jehad organisation which was held responsible for the murder of Egypt's president Anwar Sadaat. Following is Bin Laden's message: "Osama Bin Laden calls on the Ummah to continue Jehad against Jews and Americans to liberate their holy places. In the meantime, he denies any involvement in the Nairobi and Dar es Salaam bombings." ... The News International Pakistan, August 21, 1998 US president Bill Clinton claims that Osama Bin Laden WAS INVOLVED. We all have to decide WHO WE BELIEVE: Bill Clinton or Osama Bin Laden. Barely 45 minutes after Dr Al-Zawahiri's telephonic conversation with this correspondent, the Americans struck and reportedly hit both Khost, where he had held his press conference in May this year, and Jalalabad, where he first took refuge after arriving from Sudan in May 1996. NBC reported this morning that as many as 100 cruise missiles were fired yesterday. http://www.cdiss.org/devils.htm --- 10:47 AM first tape finished. I am making the second tape from the first so as not to wear-out the original Buehler sent me. --- FIRING those cruise missile is SIMPLY GREAT for BUSINESS. The military can now write MORE PURCHASE orders for NEW missiles. What you are posting at your site is related to TERRORISM. I accidentally stumbled into this mess at the time of the retaliatory attack on Libya for the bombing of the La Belle disco. NSA employee Tom White told me that NSA regarded former president Ronald Reagan as the USs greatest traitor. Naturally, I had to learn more about why. So perhaps you might think of tracing terrorist attacks starting with the La Belle at your site. My SPECULATION is that after what OUR LEADERS did yesterday you will HAVE LOT OF MATERIAL to post. "Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it." -- George Santyana, 1905 Thank you so much for the letter. And I hope you dont mind my attempted EXACT transcription of the major portion of your letter COMPLETE with English mistakes. WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. But intelligent people read-through or correct mistakes. And move on to the NEXT MISTAKE. Several years ago I took a beginning course in Japanese. Azusa Takegami was the SWEET instructor. For part of the final exam students had to GIVE A SPEECH IN JAPANESE. Takegami and Hisako Yamada had the AUDACITY to videotape each student! Talk about embarrassment! Patty and I were in Zurich last April. I interviewed at IBM Zurich forschungslabortorium. Patty and I were IMPRESSED how well about EVERYONE is Switzerland spoke English. Most of the people at IBM are Germans. We asked how they learned to speak English so well. They responded that ALL Germans are REQUIRED TO TAKE 12 years of English in school! For probably the same reasons Iranians have NO TROUBLE reading this. America is adopting a new NATIONAL LANGUAGE. Yo hablo y entiendo la idoma nacional nueva de los estado unidos. Mas or menos. NEAT to meet you on the Infobahn. Ill get the package with the tape into the mail this afternoon. Best bill 11:15 AM Subject: Settlement AGAIN Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:54:23 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: cfl(a)mgovg.com, william lewis <" Bill.Lewis"@hq.doe.gov>, tyler przybylek <cprzybylek(a)doeal.gov>, steve dillingham <" Steven.Dillingham"@hq.doe.gov>, sandy schneider <Sandra.Schneider(a)hq.doe.gov>, Robert Nordhaus <" Robert.Nordhaus"@hq.doe.gov>, joyce laeser <" jlaeser"@doe.lanl.gov>, george breznay <George.Breznay(a)hq.doe.gov>, ann augustyn <" Ann.Augustyn"@hq.doe.gov>, ask.heather(a)mail.house.gov, joe.skeen(a)mail.house.gov, senator_domenici(a)domenici.senate.gov, senator_bingaman(a)bingaman.senate.gov CC: ted lewis <lewis(a)nps.navy.mil>, jssob(a)unm.edu, tom carpenter - halcyon <tomcgap(a)halcyon.com>, guyer(a)mind.net, national employee rights institute <neri(a)nerinet.org>, marc rotenberg <rotenberg(a)epic.org>, m robert kestenbaum <mrkeste(a)sandia.gov>, klayman <jwatch(a)erols.com>, jon brock <jbrock(a)u.washington.edu>, jy(a)jya.com, john gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com>, "jennifer, Aronld Intrater and ray" <" napa"@tmn.com>, JEFFREY.CRATER(a)em.doe.gov, j orlin grabbe <kalliste(a)aci.net>, grassley <chuck_grassley(a)grassley.senate.gov>, c paul robinson <cprobin(a)sandia.gov>, art morales <armoral(a)sandia.gov>, softwar(a)softwar.net, armoral(a)flash.net Friday 8/21/98 7:23 AM DOE lawyers and Charlie Jr We will be doing a Privacy Act violation/defamation lawsuit soon IF WE dont get this matter settled. I lived in the basement apartment in the Luces home in Walla Walla in 1958-59 during my last year at Whitman college. http://www.mgovg.com/ethics/index.html Charlie Jr was REAL SMALL THEN. I might establish TWO-WAY e-mail contact with Charlie Jr. Looks like we might have ANOTHER "happy confluence of interests." I think my previous settlement offer /\/\/\/\ Thursday 6/11/98 7:06 AM Robert Nordhaus Chief Counsel, DOE Monday May 22, 1994 I wrote Steve Dillingham, Senior Adjudicator Office of Contractor Employee Protection Department of Energy a settlement letter. Here are initial non-negotiable portions of any possible settlement agreement: 1 Back pay with interest from the day I was fired, 2 Back benefits with interest from the day I was fired, 3 Recovery of 401K losses, with interest, I and my family have suffered, to the date settlement is complete. 4 Payment of my salary, with increments, and benefits until I retire at age 65. ... As a result of Sandia's and the US Government's irresponsible and unintelligent actions from which I was forced to defend, I have almost no chance of future employment in my profession or elsewhere. Here is a list of my initial negotiable damage payments. ... 4 Privacy Act violations regarding irrelevant material about my past employment taken from my personnel security file were broadcast by some Sandians. Retired Sandia senior fellow Gustavus Simmons in publications gave the impression that he was somehow involved in my work on data authentication for the seismic portion of the US/USSR Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT). Simmons was not involved in seismic data authentication work. Funds obtained by Sandia for my successful National Security Agency proposal on software voting were used for other purposes. My viewgraphs and papers on the CTBT data authenticator were plagiarized by defendants Wright and Sellars for their personal profit. 5 I feel that I was underpaid for my contributions to Sandia and DOE. A retroactive adjustment to my salary should be negotiated. I spoke to my former PhD student Lewis last week. http://www.friction-free-economy.com/ Lewis advised in addition to the above point to ask for a minimum of $1,000,000 punitive damages. /\/\/\/\ is TOO LOW. The meter is running, I am advised to continue to say. http://www.mhpcc.edu/general/john.html We are becoming MORE EXPERIENCED at litigation. http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm More visible too. http://www.jya.com/chrysler98.htm Morales and I received our nomination materials in the mail last Saturday. We need to submit required information. The Chrysler Award for Innovation in Design, now in its sixth year, honors outstanding designers (or design teams). Winners are chosen from across the design disciplines by a judging panel of design leaders. One the selection is made, Chrysler will award $10,000 to each winner (or winning team) at a ceremony in New York in the Fall of 1998. Award winners will be flown to New York for the Award Ceremony. Later bill Thursday 8/20/98 4:10 PM Aletha L. Brown Inspector General U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission POB 18858 Washington, D.C. 20036-8858 202-663-4375 800-849-4230 Dear Inspector General Brown: Purpose of this letter is to file Freedom of Information Act and Privacy Act requests. JUL 15, 1998 I received the attached FOIA response letter from A Jacy Thurmond. Thurmond's JUL 15 letter and attachments were included in an envelope postmarked WASHINGTON JUL 23'98 DC. Included in the envelope were two attached pages labeled COMMENTS. Final paragraph of the COMMENTS two pages states You would have no claim under the Privacy Act for the disclosure of this charge file to the charging party. To maintain a suit for a violation of the Privacy Act's prohibition against disclosure, 5 U.S.C. § 552(b), a plaintiff must prove that the information disclosed is covered as a "record" contained within a "system of records," as defined in 5 U.S.C §§ (sic) 552a(a) (4) and (5). Davis v. Runyon, 142 F.3d 433 (6th Cir. 1998): Quinn v Stone, 978 F2.d 126, 1`31 (3d Cir. 1992). The Privacy Act defines a "system of records" as "a group of any records under control of any agency from which information is retrieved by the name of the individual or by some identifying . . . particular . . . assigned to the individual." 5 U.S.C § 552(a)(a)(5). Our charge files are indexed by the name of the charging party. They are not indexed, an no records are therefore retrievable, by the names of third parties mentioned in the charge file. Under these circumstances, third parties mentioned in the charge file cannot invoke the Privacy Act's prohibition on disclosure with n respect to that charge file because the file is not a record retrievable by the their party's name. See Crumpton v United States, 843 F. Supp. 751, 756 (D.D.C. 1994). Inspector General Brown, the final paragraph in COMMENTS appears to be a legal opinion written by some anonymous EEOC lawyer(s). COMMENTS appears to be an ATTEMPT to convince me that I have no recourse to remedy under the law for release of the false and defaming documents seen at http://www.jya.com/snlhit.htm. Contrary opinion appears on Intenet at http://www.bxa.doc.gov/FOIA/Foiaintro.htm http://204.245.136.2/public/APA/REFRNC/PRIVACY.HTM Two district courts have gone even further. In Connelly v. Comptroller of the Currency, 673 F. Supp. 1419, 1424 (S.D. Tex. 1987), rev'd on other grounds, 876 F.2d 1209 (5th Cir. 1989), the court construed the broad "any record" language contained in 5 U.S.C. § 552a(g)(1)(C) to permit a damages action arising from an allegedly inaccurate record that was not incorporated into a system of records. In a subsequent opinion, the court in Connelly went on to find a cause of action under subsections (e)(5)and (g)(1)(C) with regard to records not in a system. Here are the FACTS surrounding the ATTACHED 11 pages beginning with Sandia National Laboratories director Michael Robles writing EEOC Director Charles Burtner. A I never saw the documents until Sandia employee Richard Gallegos gave me a copy in 1997. B Sandia denied that the documents existed. C The documents contain factually incorrect information. I did NOTHING WRONG. I followed all Sandia procedures known to me and obtained all required Sandia approvals. D I was never given an opportunity to defend myself. http://jya.com/greene.htm E Neither Sandia nor EEOC had my permission in writing for release of the information. Ms Brown, under 5 USC 552, the Freedom of Information Act, and 5 USC 552a, the Privacy Act, I request access to copies 1 All records, including phone conversation notes and memoranda, relating the creation of the COMMENTS document. 2 Name of the person or persons or any documents containing name(s) of person or persons which reveal who authored the COMMENTS document. If all or any part of this request is denied, please cite the specific exemption(s) which you think justifies your refusal to release the information and inform me of your agency's administrative appeal procedures available to me under the law. I would appreciate your handling this request as quickly as possible, and I look forward to hearing from you within 20 working days, as the law stipulates Sincerely, William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias Albuquerque, NM 87111

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CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 21, 1998
by CTIA Daily News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

========================================== Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM. Please click on the icon / attachment for the most important news in wireless communications today. If you cannot open the icon/attachment, please visit http://www.wow-com.com/professional/ for the wireless daily news. Don't miss the major conference on implementing Phase 2 of the E-911 requirement--August 26-27 in San Francisco. For more information, click http://www.wow-com.com/pdf/locntech.pdf ===========================================

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Need your help !!!
by san＠sergey.stud.pu.ru 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello everybody , My name is Sergey. I'm new here and I need your help ... I'm very interested in cryptography and I just don't know what should I know for the first and where I can find a papers about cryptography . My problem is that I haven't on-line access to the Web I have only e-mail therefore many things are not possible for me ( or not ? ) It will be very pleasant for me if someone can help me ... Thank you very much , Sergey.

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NSA and Industry Deal
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We offer a report on NSA's "Soft Landing" program for placing ex-NSA employees in private industry by offering inducements to contractors: http://jya.com/nsa-softcost.htm Excerpt: A novel partnership between the National Security Agency and industry has helped NSA meet mandated reductions in personnel levels while at the same time allowing the agency to refresh its workforce with technically skilled people. Dubbed "Soft Landing," the program encourages more senior, and often highly paid, support staff to take jobs in the private sector, thereby creating openings the agency can fill with the young computer scientists, mathematicians and engineers it needs to fulfill its code-making and code-breaking duties. Additionally, NSA has saved roughly $25 million through the effort, which was implemented two years ago but has received no publicity. While the Soft Landing program has received high-praise from government officials as well as industry representatives, some public interest advocates have questioned the effort, saying it has perhaps created an improper relationship between the secretive NSA and a select group of contractors. End excerpt. Wayne Madsen says the program is a means to plant sympathetic employees to sway industry NSA's way. The file includes a second report on NSA's accounting problems.

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by STUFFED NEWS DAILY 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Pipe
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 FTPPork(a)aol.com wrote: > << Hoppyhead, > > You'll have to wait until we supply the other AOLholes with the information > they demanded on thrash music, hacking banks info, LSD manufacturing, and > get rich quick schemes. > > We're struggling under the workload of millions of new AOL, PacBell, > Earthlink, Prodigy, and other newbies who have just discovered the Net. > > > --Tim May > >> > I take that statement as an insult, and it really isn't true about all of us > AOL users. Of course, Hoppy was kinda stupid for asking something that > stupid, but we don't all care about thrash music, hacking banks info, LSD > manufacturing, and > get rich quick schemes. Actually, some of us know what real hacking is... > not just using scrolling programs and cracking banks (Both of which are > completely different) etc... > > Anyway, try not to stereotype people so much, because, with the Advent of 32 > bit AOL, we can actually use all of the TCP/IP protocols, etc... [Porker's lame quoting style retained.] Porker, So use an ISP which doesn't have the horrible reputation that AOL and its users have earned. You continue the grand AOL tradition of spreading lameness throughout the Internet. Because AOL is now "32 bit" (oh brother) AOL users are suddenly not idiots. Right. I guess all the AOLholes who were posting requests for LSD manufacturing, hacking banks, and band stickers were using "16 bit AOL." The number of bits AOL's software uses has nothing to do with it. AOL gets ragged on because their (publishing to the Internet) userbase is composed mostly of total morons and because they go try to sign up every idiot they can find with a "50 hours free stupidity/spamming fest" disk. Their software is designed to allow a trained chimp to use the Internet, and - surprise, surprise - that's what we get most of the time. Of course not *all* AOL users are idiots, but enough are to make the stereotype valid. If AOLers want to stop being made fun of, then get AOL to stop catering to every moron they can find and saying "AOL is the Internet." Stop using this lame and annoying "<< >>" quoting style. (Before somebody jumps on that, there have been at least four or five Cypherpunks who have publically bitched about it here and other people have complained about it elsewhere.) Stop posting requests for music, band stickers, books, pipe bombs, hacking info, and other such junk to mailing lists where it's inappropriate and to inappropriate USENET newsgroups. At least try to put some effort into formatting your posts so that they don't have line breaks in bizarre places, don't underuse or overuse punctuation, and try to use some proper capitalization. AOL brought this on themselves. At least they send me free coasters and mirrors every other week. If it wasn't for the very rare useful post from AOL, I'd have my system killfile mail from AOL going to the Cypherpunks list like I do for my normal inbox.

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Re: anarchy cookbook
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 Spazherp(a)aol.com wrote: > > Is any one home? > > Our tests have determined that you are severely lacking in the clue department. As per the advice of "Porker" <PTPPork(a)aol.com>, you are advised to upgrade to 32-bit AOL immediately. We have been advised that upgrading to 32-bit AOL fixes problems with cluelessness. Remember: with the Advent of 32 bit AOL, you can actually use all of the TCP/IP protocols.

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17 Dec '03

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