December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: KRAP is at it in the IETF
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A reply already. ---guy > From rgm(a)icsa.net Mon Sep 7 09:32:47 1998 > Received: from homebase.htt-consult.com (homebase.htt-consult.com [208.235.169.130]) > by mail2.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id JAA04870 > for <guy(a)panix.com>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:32:45 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from rgm ([208.235.169.131]) by homebase.htt-consult.com > (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA340 > for <guy(a)panix.com>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:32:50 -0400 > Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980907092146.00a108c0(a)homebase.htt-consult.com> > X-Sender: rgm-icsa(a)homebase.htt-consult.com > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) > Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 09:21:46 -0400 > To: Information Security <guy(a)panix.com> > From: Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)icsa.net> > Subject: Re: KRAP is at it in the IETF > In-Reply-To: <199809071253.IAA01912(a)panix7.panix.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Status: R > > Note that this is an individual submission. It is not the product of any > IETF workgroup. Anyone can submit an Internet Draft. The IETF maintains > an open process. However, the IESG has to approve all IDs before they can > become RFCs. There will be a period of last call on this draft on the IETF > list where appropriate comments will be taken. > > > Robert Moskowitz > International Computer Security Association > (248) 968-9809 > Fax: (248) 968-2824 > rgm(a)icsa.net >

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Re: any relation?
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Steve Mynott <stevem(a)tightrope.demon.co.uk> > X-Echelon: no-archive Heh. > > http://www.kiva.net/~tmay/ No, Cypherpunk Tim May's picture was shown in Wired... But now he's gonna hafta get a gun at least that big, or suffer major penis envy. ---guy ;-)

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by noldcosts＠usa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Cypherpunks HyperArchive
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> There is another archive at http://sof.mit.edu/cypherpunks, ironically > the machine that hosts it is not up at the moment The machine suffered either disk controller or HDD problems as I was logged into it. It is located in Boston, MA. I do not currently have a way of getting to the machine to repair it, and this will likely continue to be true, so until I can get one of the people I know at the site where the machine is located to fix it, the archives will be offline. If the machine cannot be fixed, I will put the archive up elsewhere. I believe hugh(a)toad.com copied the entire archive at some point, so that might be helpful. Sorry about this -- replicated servers are always a good idea. -- Ryan Lackey rdl(a)mit.edu http://sof.mit.edu/rdl/

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Re: Cypherpunks HyperArchive (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Cypherpunks HyperArchive > From: Ryan Lackey <rdl(a)MIT.EDU> > Date: 07 Sep 1998 11:41:54 -0400 > The machine suffered either disk controller or HDD problems as I was > logged into it. It is located in Boston, MA. I do not currently have The L0pht folks are there and Wel Pond used to be a subscriber. Perhaps you could contact them and they could provide the support? ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Archives? What archives?
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: > > At 1:44 AM -0700 9/4/98, Sparkes, Ian, ZFRD AC wrote: > > >---- Facetious comment begin ----- > >At least now we know why people aren't following Tim's > >advice to 'check the archives' before putting their feet in > >their mouths. > >---- Facetious comment end ----- > > Try http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/ > > If the archives at some sites are going down, this could be for various > reasons. > > Being an assembly of mostly-anarchist-leaning folks, with no leadership, no > organization, no hierarchy, and no procedures, there are no officially > maintained archives. > > What we have are what people choose to put up. > > Someone was talking in the last half year about burning a CD-ROM with a big > chunk of the archives on it. I haven't heard if this ever happened and if > it was made available for sale. (It seems that about every year someone > launches a project to generate such a CD-ROM, but I haven't seen the > followthrough.) > > --Tim May I had an archive on sof.mit.edu, but shortly after I left Boston, MA, US where the machine is located, the HDD on the machine (or the controller) died, and I'm still trying to get one of my former housemates to repair it. I'm currently in the wrong country to fix the drive, and don't expect to be back. I prepared the CD-ROMs for sale (I had a CD-R on the machine), and posted several times offering to sell them, but no one ever actually sent me the money. Actually, a small number of people did, and I sold them, but I don't remember who they were. I also don't have particularly good backups of that machine. I think someone mirrored it at toad.com before it died, so they're probably not lost forever. I don't have a machine with free bandwidth from which to host it, though, until sof.mit.edu is back on the net. I may be sending the HDD out to a drive recovery company anyway for the other data on the drive. This was an amateurish hobby server of mine, and not a production-grade service, so people shouldn't complain too much that I didn't invest the money in quality replication. -- Ryan Lackey rdl(a)mit.edu http://sof.mit.edu/rdl/

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Re: e$: crypto-expatriatism
by Kawika Daguio 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bob, The syllogism at the end of your post is exactly why I have spent the last more than 5 years negotiating and lobbying and why we (FI's) and you (everyone else) shouldn't worry about the impact of government policy on the security of financial communications. Market (macro and microeconomics plays a bigger role than the government. I wouldn't give up my citizenship, neither would I join those guys at the Fort and give up my rights to move about the world without asking permission to travel or publish. I like the balance where I am, but respect those who wish to protest peacefully. I would prefer that folks kept us out of their fields of fire in the various skirmishes occuring during the cryptocrusades and left us to manage the policy for and the security of our space for ourselves and our customers. just my personal views...kawika... <<< Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> 9/ 7 5:29p >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 3:38 PM -0400 on 9/7/98, Robert Hettinga wrote about Ryan Lackey's whereabouts, on cypherpunks: > If I told you, I would have to kill you? Whew. Glad Ryan has now said something publically now about his and Ian's bit of extraterritorial subtrifuge (though Ian doesn't qualify, of course). I mean, I just *hate* keeping secrets... ;-). Frankly, I *really* have a hard time with all this man-without-a-first-world-country, crypto-expat stuff. I think making the technology not eonomically optional is the way to change things, and no amount of romantic, jurisdiction-shopping "regulatory arbitrage" is going to alter reality all that much. But, I guess, Anguilla's as nice a place to have this affliction as any I can think of. And, I wish Vince -- and now, apparently, Ryan -- good luck, whatever happens. Yet, for some reason, memories of Vietnam-era draft-dodgers keep coming to mind. For what it cost them all personally, not much good came of it, I'd say, for them or anyone else. The people who protested the war and "fought the good fight" to end it stayed here to do it, after all. The most potent anti-war activists were Vietnam vets themselves, for that matter. And, of course, Ridgeway told Eisenhower at the outset that Vietnam was a multi-million-man war, and Eisenhower stayed out accordingly, throwing a few marginal people on the ground to shut Lodge up. It took Testosterone Jack to get a Special-Forces hard-on. Eventually he and Desktop Lyndon ended up screwing a pooch instead of the commies. Do people out there really think somebody like Gore's going to do a crypto-amnesty someday? I didn't think so. Ashcroft, maybe, but don't hold your breath, there, either. It'll be decades, I bet, and our "boys over there" will have grey hair long before they do come back home on this one. Political inertia is probably going to keep a few people we know outside the fence, looking in, for an awful long time after the issue's utterly dead. I expect people who do this crypto-expat stuff are going to get their new passports refused at the U.S. border when they visit, and I think that things are going to get worse for them for a long time before they get better. Of course, there's a fair argument to be made that if they do get refused, it's probably time to leave, anyway, but I'll let someone else gnaw that bone. And, frankly, I *do* expect that the FBI will attempt domestic crypto controls, just like they've been been trying to do for some time now. But, unlike a lot of people, I think that the marketplace will steamroller all such silliness into yet another roadtop attraction, before or after its legislation. Anyway, as the old "excrable" e$yllogism goes, Digital commerce is financial cryptography. Financial cryptography is strong cryptography. Therefore, if there's no strong cryptography, there's no digital commerce. So, call me an optimist. Like I've said before, I've heard the end of life and liberty as we know it predicted over and over again -- hell, I've even believed so myself, once or twice -- but, like the Gibbon quote in my .sig goes, "however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity", I ain't seen it happen yet. Cheers, Bob Hettinga -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.5 iQEVAwUBNfRQJMUCGwxmWcHhAQHb7gf ImnoGG28coDgde4cDgnwHyQatO78nY4B 9bMfB9bE1FCqAIZNKfrPzqhJpZzCbYEDYQexXe8bRsl32M7FnIye7w4r7kxeXxns LbLWY83juOAJNgMhPxPhFVcXb8NqwOQzCnYjLdfKSuJ6/lZuNGvsVohHwYuhNxc9 WlOW1WsqeSl3KyzpdDyZU1jAUvNEJQU9JoeeEvlwFNM7zMW3ZoIQB5SSVLf2HYzX vtpnZiRsOeSXt0sWmlXHiZ DeB 79z1z157cg/AOn/qAGBLBgZuDp dbRH7B4ynR ngB6XS irSzNnMWQrVdNYPuRPRRQ h/eV US2Cmjc3uuFcnR/ tnNg== =0UKh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help".

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Seed to clone himself, one way or another [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, It seems that scientist in general may soon be forced to roam from country to country to practice their work. Shades of Neuromancer. I am more and more convinced that Gibson's book, and it's social commentary, is right on the mark. Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/science/9809/07/clone.seed.ap/ > CHICAGO PHYSICIST SAYS HE'LL CLONE HIMSELF WITH WIFE'S HELP > > Dr. Richard Seed Richard Seed September 7, 1998 > Web posted at: 3:50 a.m. EDT (0750 GMT) > > BOSTON (AP) -- A physicist with three Harvard degrees but no medical > license said he is ready to begin the first step toward immortality: > he will clone himself. [text deleted] > Seed said his wife, Gloria, has agreed to carry an embryo that would > be created by combining the nucleus of one of his cells with a donor > egg, the newspaper said. [text deleted] > The Chicago scientist has three Harvard degrees, including a Ph.D., > but no medical degree, no money and no institutional backing. He has > vowed to produce a pregnancy with a human clone within 2 1/2 years. [text deleted] > Two states, California and Michigan, have outlawed human cloning and > dozens of other states are considering bans. > > A five-year moratorium on cloning is apparently being observed by > mainstream scientists, but Congress has failed to act on legislation > to outlaw the procedure. > > Seed has said that if Congress bans cloning, he will move his > operation to Tijuana, Mexico. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Government Regulation & Scienctific Research
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Because of the changes in national governments and their increasing desire to regulate their citizenry and their economies according to flawed economic and social dogma we will see the following: - primary research will still occur in the 1st world countries where the interest, money, and infrastructure can support it. - practical applications of this technology will be developed in the 3rd world countries where the destabalizing impact of technology won't hurt as much because the central government infrastructure doesn't exist. - it will become harder and harder for individuals with intellectual capital to express their rights within these 1st world enclaves. In particular, leaving the country. Perhaps it will get so bad that we'll see a return to the Soviet style of sports competition (ie KGB stoolies following all the athletes around). What will be the end result? We'll see bastions of 1st world culture surrounded by a sea of balkan areas that are 'governed' by economic and cultural ethos alone. As this process proceeds it will erode the stability of the 1st world countries and cause their break-up into small independant balkans. The results of this will be: - there will be a slow down in basic research in about 50 years because there won't be any large infrastructures that can support basic research. Hopefuly the balkans will find a way to cooperate in an economic and technological manner. If so the roll of technology will resume, albeit potentialy at a slower rate. - small balkans will band together for periods of time to explore research and develop the base understanding. it'll end up being sort of like a MCC or Sematech at the political level. One aspect that does worry me is that as technology speads the cultures around the world homogenize. This could have a negative impact on the balkanization because the motive to go from here to there won't be relevant because there will be here. It may turn out that xenophobic cultures like the Talibans and Chinese may actualy help in the long run because of their unwillingness to compromise their world views. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Tesla's Secrets
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DoD's latest standard for protection against electromagnetic effects, MIL-STD-464, "Electromagnetic Environmental Effects -- Requirements for Systems," provides a bare 17 pages of dry prescriptions for the official standard, then 90 astonishing pages of ways the standard is to be applied in addressing unexpected EM misfortunes, like ordance spontaneously exploding, planes crashing, ships out of control, radar meltdown, personnel fried, and so on. http://jya.com/mil-std-464.htm (346K plus images) What comes out of this critical "anecdotal" material, not yet subject to precise standardization, is what Tesla learned early this century: the dreadful power of accumulated, boosted EM caused by unexpected interaction of human electronic inventions and natural EM forces. Such as some speculate brought down TWA 800. What also comes out is that each unit of every major weapons system, theirs and ours (and civilian devices) can be identified by its unique EM "fingerprint" -- nuclear sub, B1B, F117, AF One, your family Sports-ute, your chattering computer, cellphone and pager. As if anyone except the NSA can siphon and sort through them all, the compromising emanations are Out There awaiting receivers of secret messages unintentionally sent. A loud and clear message is that electronification of culture is causing a build-up of powerful latent lightning looking for a ground to blast, a sub to sink, a bomber to shatter. Be prepared for a technological attack, to be blamed on terrorists, but really caused by the expected EM effects Tesla warned about.

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