December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

(eternity) autonomous agents
by Ross Anderson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back: > If the participant in the CPU resource market is not expected to be > able to vet all source code he runs, this gives the would be eternity > operator a chance to distribute his risk. It's even better than this - your PC becomes a common carrier and you are no longer liable :-) If this doesn't happen, then the advocates of Java need a whole new security infrastructure to assure users that the applets they download aren't defamatory, pornographic, seditious or in breach of copyright! Tim May: > Another science fiction writer, Bruce Sterling, popularized "data havens" At one time, Malta was thinking seriously about becoming just such a data haven, and I expect one will appear sooner or later. After all, what's left of the British Empire is funded by money laundering and tax evasion - pardon me, Sir Humphrey, `offshore financial services'. Once the online world becomes a significant part of the global economy, small countries that wish to achieve the high living standards of Bermuda, Gibraltar and Jersey will be able to get there by cashing in on `offshore data services'. Countries like Tonga already sell domain names, but a full offshore data service would need some way of resisting pressure from the EU and the US government. Most of the tax havens do this by being under a colonial umbrella. Is there an alternative? Can we create virtual colonies in cyberspace? Can we set up a gateway to Eternity in some country like Liberia or Somalia, which is too dangerous even for the US Marines? Or do we have to cut a deal with Sir Humphrey? Hiding stuff inside usenet is actually a bit like hiding behind the skirts of Empire, isn't it? The same goes for hiding stuff on open access web sites, or in spam. Given the rate at which spam is growing these days, maybe that's where to put it. If the only way for Authority to cut mortals off from Eternity was to pass effective laws against spam, and the only way to stop spam was to have a global non-escrowed public key infrastructure so that all mortals could be strongly authenticated, then ... Ross

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Re: Talk of Banning Research into Human Cloning (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:02:13 +0100 (MET) > Subject: Re: Talk of Banning Research into Human Cloning (fwd) > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > > > Spin doctor bullshit. Without the research there isn't anything to publish. > > By banning the basic research we would in fact be banning the publishing of > > the results of that scientific research. > > This is a more significant difference than you let on: if the research is > done abroad, it can be published here. To the extent that one can > theorize without experimenting, that too can be done here. I hope they forward the CNN piece on the European ban on cloning that is occuring as I type this. The bottem line is that saying it's ok to ban it here simply because you are sure somebody somewhere else will allow it is reprehensible and a complete abrogation of both the spirit and the letter of the Constitution. If it's ok to do it there, why isn't it ok to do it here? Smacks of a double standard or some sort of surreptitious conspiracy to control the technology to the benefit of a few. Perhaps the government has already done this research, at Seed's estimate of $100,000 per clone, god knows they already have the money, the equipment, and the people willing to do it. Tell me, once the other countries have banned it will you then argue that we should repeal our own ban and allow such research? > > Not at all. Equating swinging of ones fist in a empty field and swinging it > > into somebodies nose and then taking that supposition as justification to > > ban fist swinging *is* most certainly unconstitutional. Furthermore, robbery > > Congress has the power to choose whether to ban acts when the cause a harm > (fists that connect to federal noses), or just to ban acts whether or not > they cause harms (sending threats to government officials; broadcasting > without a license on an unused frequency). Bans on broadcasting without a license on an unused frequency was found unconstitutional - it seems nobody had *ever* raised the issue before. The interstate commerce clause was also raised and found to be potentialy irrelevant. Until a few years ago the threatening of anyone, even the killing of a president, was not a federal crime. Perhaps that original idea was that since we believe all people to be equal under the law the killing of a bum was no more heinous than killing of a president. One could even argue that such classifying laws as the protection of federal employees over and above a commen citizen are in fact against the equal treatment under the law for all citizens that this country is founded upon. > Like it or not, there is no > question that most of these bans -- including the cloning ban -- are > constitutional under the commerce and other powers, the copyrights clause > notwithstanding. It's 'interstate commerce', and it isn't the copyright clause per se but the clear and plain language regarding 'advancement'. Further the clause *specificaly* states that it is between states - by no stretch of the honest imagination can be be construed to include private functions inside the state boundary. Next you will be telling me I need a federal license to program because somebody might use my software ... Taking away peoples rights and choices is much ruder than anything you could claim I have ever been. Why not answer the points instead of crying about how I hurt your feelings because I won't play within the limited set of rules you want so that you can retain the advantages of that limited set and as a consequence not have to deal with the possible reality that your entire suppositional set is bogus. > unpleasantness, and especially a complete and utter incomprehension about > how the law in this country operates. I know how it operates, that is why it pisses me off. It operates under the authority of a document that prescribes in clear language how that system is supposed to operate and specificaly describes what those limits are, how to apply those limits to new events, and how to change those limits if they should be felt to be too restrictive or damaging. However, those who are entrusted with the operation believe that that self-same trust allows them to ignore their empowering charter. You seem unable to comprehend that perhaps the logic that has been used to justify many of these actions is not only unconstitutional but also in the long term detriment of the country. It's a pitty you're so close minded you are unable to expose your delicate sensibilities to open debate. It's a pity that your only defence is ad hominim attacks and concious exclusion of contrary arguments because of their emotional impact on yourself. Sir, the only thing I have left to say to you is: Yet, it moves. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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What is the Constitution?
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals- that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government- that it is not a charter _for_ government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection _against_ the government. - Ayn Rand ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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FTC ok's Intel buy of C&T [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > January 13, 1998: 10:56 a.m. ET > > NEW YORK (CNNfn) - The U.S. Federal Trade Commission said Tuesday it > would no longer try to hold up Intel Corp.'s $420 million acquisition > of Chips and Technologies Inc. > [INLINE] The FTC did say, however, that it would continue to > investigate the merger as part of its more extensive look into Intel's > operations. Earlier, the FTC had sought a preliminary injunction to > halt the merger. > [INLINE] The FTC was apparently concerned that Intel would gain an > even larger market share of the chip market with the acquisition of > Chips and Technologies, a leading laptop computer semiconductor firm. > [INLINE] The FTC has been eyeing Intel carefully because it believes > that Intel's strong chip business, estimated to control more than 80 > percent of the world's market, could raise antitrust concerns. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Fed's train more technology workers? [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > By MICHELLE LOCKE > Associated Press Writer > > BERKELEY, Calif. (AP) -- America needs more computer workers -- a lot > more. > > That was the message from three Cabinet officials who unveiled > strategies Monday for finding more technology-literate workers as the > U.S. economy enters the information age. > > Their proposals ranged from spending more on education and training > grants to putting out a new message: It's hip to be high-tech. > > "American minds really created the information age economy and > American minds can continue to lead it if we nurture the immense > talent pool here at home," said Education Secretary Richard Riley. > > Or as Deputy Labor Secretary Kathryn O'Leary Higgins said with a > smile, "We're from the federal government and we're here to help." [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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An offer to Dr. Froomkin...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sir, I can understand your emotional reaction to some of my wording, it is its specific intent to ellicit such a reaction. It's a measure of the readers maturity to be able to ignore the noise and focus on the issues. However, in this particular case this seems to be working in the negative respecting my goals. So, in order to open channels of dicussion I would like to make an offer. I will desist on the use of these psychological warfare techniques and their destabalizing effects on your emotional state *if* you will return to an open discussion without resort to ad hominim and straw man arguments and address the issues directly and in plain language without resort to legalistic verbal camouflage to skirt the main points. Thank you for your time in considering this offer. Sincerely, ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mad Vlad wants to know: >something most anarchists here will deny is the existence of something >that could be called *immoral science*. is there such a thing? ............................................................ No. There are, however, immoral scientists. One way to skew the interpretations of what you write, besides bringing up the subject of morality, is to describe things in ways which do not correspond to their actual manner of existence: "science" does not exist without those individuals who have set themselves to pursue it. They should bear the blame if they practice it immorally. You again have brought up several issues which can be examined separately and do not necessarily coexist: . being a scientist . pretending to be scientific . choosing to pursue science . being smart enough to pursue scientific research . being successful in the scientific pursuit of truths . giving a damn about the consequences of the effects of research as it affects humanity or other living things (as when it is imposed upon them) . responsibility in science . responsibility in science as practiced by mendicants of the State . the regulation of responsibility per se . the regulation of the methods of science . the support of irresponsible scientific methods, by slaves of the State . anarchist cypherpunkery I become exceedingly uncomfortable at the realization that I have to buy an astronomy magazine from the store, paying yet again for info, in order to find out some of what they're doing at NASA. To think that a responsible citizen like myself must go out searching for the info themselves, using whatever resources they can find or pay for, in order to become informed! There are all sorts of things that government employees do not "share" with those who pay the bills. There is a book in Objectivist literature which presents the idea of "context dropping", which is, that in order for some people to function as if things were normal and that what they're doing is consistent with moral principles, they must drop a part of their information out of sight, out of thought, so that their actions appear logically related and make sense - they eliminate elements from the given context, crucial essentials which make the difference in its character. People like these might practice secrecy in keeping information from others, but equally significant, they also hide things from themselves. So that's one thing which would explain some scientist's lack of moral principles in the pursuit of science. Then it must be explained why so many people aren't complaining about it. Are they insensitive to their mistreatment, sitting ducks for opportunists? Or maybe these taxpayers are equally immoral, thinking only about promised benefits, forgetting about the disadvantage of losing control over the quality of their life? It's possible for some people to override the boundaries of decency, even if they're otherwise smart enough to pursue science. But what would you expect cryptographers to do about it? .. Blanc

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Re: Schneier's metrocard cracked
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From schneier(a)visi.com Mon Jan 12 18:21:01 1998 > Subject: Re: Schneier's metrocard cracked > In-Reply-To: <199801122150.NAA11668(a)comsec.com> from Information Security at "Jan 8, 98 11:40:23 pm" > To: guy(a)panix.com > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:19:22 -0600 (CST) > Cc: cp-lite(a)comsec.com > > Information Security wrote: > > Dr. Dim wrote: > > > > > > I heard on the radio that the security scheme used in New York City metrocards > > > (designed with much input frm Bruce Schneier) has been cracked and that the > > > "hackers" can now add fare to the cards. > > > > > > Does anyone know any details? What encryption did Schneier use? > > > > It sounds like a procedural thing. > > > > Something like there was a way to swipe cards and have the > > system wrongly think it updated the card. > > > > The city announced that every cardreader in the system > > is going to be recalibrated, and this will cause problems > > for "a few" existing cardholders. > > That's not my design. Counterpane consulted on the next generation > cards, not the current mag stripe cards in the NY system. The > protocols we developed are not currently being used in any fielded > system. > > Bruce A subsequent news report said hackers were taking discarded (single-use?) MetroCards and "reprogramming" them so they would work again. However, the description didn't sound like it was really hacking... The MTA said only 6 fraudulent uses of this was happening per day, and 40 of these total per day. "Of these"? The MTA said there was some limited tolerance for nicked or scratched cards, and in this situation - where the software guessed that it was a scratched card - that it was programmed to be "lenient" and let them in. The news report showed the MTA's new recommendation for carrying MetroCards: sliding them into a protective container for travel. The mag-strip cards suck. ---guy

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Microsoft Exploratorium, from The Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

********** http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1685,00.html The Netly News (http://netlynews.com/) January 13, 1998 Which Way the Windows by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Looks like it's upgrade time not just for Microsoft Windows, but also for Microsoft's legal strategy. As engineers frantically debugged the Windows 98 beta last week, senior Microsoft executives roamed Washington, D.C., apologizing for their previous arrogance and saying they had been misunderstood. Call it Microsoft PR 2.0. "What we have not done is communicate" the way the software works, Robert Herbold, Microsoft chief operating officer, told The Netly News last Friday. But will Microsoft's new humility appease federal judge Thomas Penfield Jackson, who already issued a preliminary injunction against the Redmond firm? He's scheduled to hear from the company's lawyers and the Department of Justice this morning. Both have spent a good chunk of the last month complaining about each other: The government says Microsoft violated the judge's order, and Microsoft says the government is "poorly informed." As his attorneys argue the law, Bill Gates will be practicing politics -- a skill that will come in handy if Congress holds more antitrust hearings when it returns in late January. Pundits have made much of Gates's Democratic sympathies, another image he's trying to discard (or at least upgrade). Today Gates is scheduled to sit down for a private chat with technophilic House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Georgia), who will also tour the Microsoft campus. [...] *********** http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/afternoon/0,1012,1686,00.html The Netly News / Afternoon Line January 13, 1998 Microsoft Exploratorium The ugly guts of Microsoft Windows were on display today during a six-hour federal district court hearing in Washington, DC. Attorneys from Microsoft repeatedly pointed at a list of hundreds of .DLL and .EXE files and challenged the government to answer one deceptively simple query: Which files are part of Internet Explorer? The outcome of the case may well turn on the answer to that question, which lies at the heart of the Justice Department's beef with the software giant. Last month Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson ordered Microsoft to stop using its operating system's popularity to force-feed Internet Explorer to computer makers. But, again, which files belong to Internet Explorer? The government's witness ducked the question. "I can't go through your list and say which files are unique to Internet Explorer," replied author and computer consultant Glenn Weadock. "I don't think it's possible or even especially useful to define a list of files and say this is part of, or this is not a part of Internet Explorer." Which Microsoft has argued all along -- their browser is integrated into the operating system. Yanking it out, the company says, would be like amputating a leg: a person could only hobble along, at best. The government views this as a weak excuse, at best. "The court issued a very simple, broad order and Microsoft through its actions defied rather than complied with that order," said Justice Department trial attorney Phillip Malone. The government is asking Judge Jackson to hold Microsoft in contempt and levey a million-dollar-a-day fine. The hearing will continue tomorrow when Microsoft vice president David Cole testifies. - By Declan McCullagh/Washington -------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology To subscribe: send a message to majordomo(a)vorlon.mit.edu with this text: subscribe politech More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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