December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

(no subject)
by Scott L. Haire 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Whats the deal on checking out DL info. on the web? I'd like to know what available info is on the web concerning my DL.

1 0

RE: Bill Gates, the Bully Savior
by Arturo Grapa Ysunza 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I too have my doubts about Microsoft software. Yes, they clearly >dominate a very lucrative market largely due to, as you mention, "sheer incompetance on the part of the rest of the industry" but another important reason is better marketing. Netscape, for example, could have beaten out MS if they had had better marketing and strategy (incompetance?). I believe the point of the Justice Dept. investigations is anti-trust issues more than it is a witch hunt. We all know that monopolies can, but not necesarily do, produce inferior products. Anti-trust laws are meant to facilitate competition on even ground and that can lead to better products for us the consumers. MS canŽt be blamed for the incompetence of the rest of the industry. If MS wins anti-trust litigation then so be it but someone has to keep them in check. We elect the people who appoint others to review these matters. If no one does it then soon weŽll see "Microsoft Compatible" stickers on the dashboards of our cars, toasters, beepers, etc. And what will happen to Unix then when we live in a Microsoft compatible world? BTW, my beef with MS is primarily quality. If they want to dominate the market then they better give me quality or IŽll spend my money elsewhere. Would you buy a Ford if you knew the tires would fall off if you donŽt install the **latest-and-greatest Service Pack**? I, for one, will keep bugging MS to produce better products. In the meantime, IŽll keep buying from the Unix side (which is also lagging). Arturo Grapa Ysunza agrapa(a)banamex.com Ing. de Comunicaciones Banco Nacional de México, S.A. http://www.banamex.com/ >---------- >Desde: Declan McCullagh[SMTP:declan@well.com] >Enviado el: Miércoles 22 de Octubre de 1997 1:07 PM >Para: Lizard >Cc: Jennifer S. Granick >Asunto: Re: Bill Gates, the Bully Savior > >There was a good op-ed in the WSJ on Monday. The Politics of Envy, >basically. Why everyone in Silicon Valley hates Microsoft... > >But some of the complaints about Microsoft come down to personal taste. The >masses offend refined sensibilities when they buy Windows 95 in droves. >Rein them in! Stop them from buying what they want! Don't let them get free >copies of Internet Explorer. > >I share Lizard's distaste for Microsoft products. My Unix workstation at >home has not one MSFT application on it. I have only Microsoft Word on my >Duo at work, and I could get by with WordPerfect. But our dislike for their >products doesn't mean that we are morally justified in restricting what the >company can do. > >-Declan > > > >At 10:42 -0700 10/22/97, Lizard wrote: >>Uhm...how do 'we all' benefit from having the same Justice Department which >>defended the CDA (and which is pushing for GAK) decide for us all what is, >>and is not, part of an operating system? >> >>These people are not qualified to make ANY judgements about computers -- I >>have to assume the 'experts' they got to tell them about OS software are no >>more qualified than the 'experts' they got to testify about the CDA (L-18, >>anyone?). >> >>I have no great love for Microsoft (I don't think anyone forced to use >>their crappy software does), and, emotionally, I'd like to see them get >>taken down a peg -- but legally and ethically, they are not doing anything >>wrong. They're just being tough competitors. Microsoft has prospered not >>due to any technical brilliance on their part, but due to sheer >>incompetance on the part of the rest of the industry, who have made a hobby >>of underestimating Bill Gates and overestimating their own customers >>loyalty. >> >>It's a pity I'm a mind-flaying victim. If I wasn't, I could forget >>principles and ideals and just say, "Microsoft Big. Microsoft Nasty. Uncle >>Sam stomp Microsoft. Yay, Uncle Sam." But because I work from principle >>FIRST, I have to grant Microsoft the same rights I would grant Sam's Deli >>or Joe's Shoe Store, and that includes the right to offer any combination >>of products or services they wish, and let the market decide to buy or not. > > > >------------------------- >Declan McCullagh >Time Inc. >The Netly News Network >Washington Correspondent >http://netlynews.com/ > > >

1 0

What RSA & Netscape have to offer
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, While the list is busy knocking PGP for not doing the "right thing" or being the "first ones to blink" I though I would share with the list what some of the "big boys" are doing for the spread of "Strong Crypto to the Masses". Below is from the most current S/MIME draft "draft-dusse-smime-msg-05" dated 19-Oct-1997: 2.6 ContentEncryptionAlgorithmIdentifier Receiving agents MUST support decryption using the RC2 [RC2] or a compatible algorithm at a key size of 40 bits, hereinafter called "RC2/40". Receiving agents SHOULD support decryption using DES EDE3 CBC, hereinafter called "tripleDES" [3DES] [DES]. Sending agents SHOULD support encryption with RC2/40 and tripleDES. I think that when taking pot-shots at PGP, Inc. and Phil Zimmerman one should look at what the alternatives are and who are really are friends here. IMNSHO companies like RSA, Netscape, Microsoft, Verisign, et al, who would sell us all out if it improved their bottom lines do not qualify. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNE8Iqo9Co1n+aLhhAQGWswP+MnvOCL1EoURWpEPt23I/UIuRWBovby8d AxZS3N8/exnI2M3kDCC2mTUWmvaKdsUnwErnXCQ9nQTDa9B+2VUBlijtkC+nsTV8 Vuv484AU51havdyttE87YMDXx8LSkdWnGXLs8TpjrRXiDZlxPJWIif3haK1hC5kg I3VmdwaZc/4= =7Fan -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

Announcement
by Phillip R. Zimmermann 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In light of the great amount of discussion currently taking place in regard to the benefits and disadvantages of my latest bid for money, power, fame and the respect of the corporate computer industry, I would like to reassure the cynics that my committment to privacy has never been stronger. However, I have reassessed my views of who truly has a right to control access to privacy and have come to the conclusion that privacy is too important an issue to be left in the hands of the individual, with the obvious potential for misuse. After a review of the astounding success of the PGP Public Key Server's use, in conjunction with our PGP Privy Products, in ensuring proper key management and control of forgery, spoofing and misuse of Public/Private Key technology, it has become clear that individual privacy can best be ensured under the watchful eye of those with the resources to provide proper surveillance of those who have earned the right to privacy, in order to prevent abuse of that right. I would like to thank my other brother, Phil (Hallam-Baker), for helping me to see that unsupervised use of the right to privacy could result in individuals misusing that right to publish extremely embarassing pictures of me in compromising positions which could affect my credibility. As a matter of fact, it was PH-B who suggested my new signature line. PRZ ~~~ "I don't put them in the PGPtray...I just turn on the GAK." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNE/sV17MfpC8gEO7EQKaCQCePKAo033KBg/O/T9Nz5IrGLIcCZcAn0L4 JDtdMovT9RZKA4PXwJTNdvpr =Xvzl - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNE/svUlfPVhsMJvfEQI2zgCg8aQ15PEU4eNItEprsLQHd2259fIAn2a1 wwKyecnoEQuCElB3ZtJBZQBz =53jb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

CMR versus GAK?
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Big Brother or the Boss?" Are you SURE that's a dichotomy? Big Biz and Big Gov are almost inextricably intertwined these days. If dot-com pushes for snoopware, it is called CMR. If dot-gov pushes for it, it is called GAK. The real question is, if the interests of Biz and Gov coincide, and "real cooperation" is achieved, does it really matter where the idea originated? Either way you still have snoopware. Cpl Kaos

3 5

RE: Bill Gates, the Bully Savior
by Arturo Grapa Ysunza 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Almost. The government should regulate MS for anti-trust reasons. As I mentioned "If MS wins anti-trust litigation then so be it". >---------- >Desde: Lizard[SMTP:lizard@mrlizard.com] >Enviado el: Jueves 23 de Octubre de 1997 11:38 AM >Para: Arturo Grapa Ysunza <cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Cc: 'Jennifer S. Granick' >Asunto: RE: Bill Gates, the Bully Savior > >At 07:20 PM 10/22/97 -0500, Arturo Grapa Ysunza wrote: > >>MS canŽt be blamed for the incompetence of the rest of the industry. If >>MS wins anti-trust litigation then so be it but someone has to keep them >>in check. We elect the people who appoint others to review these >>matters. > >Lemme see if I've got this straight. > >The rest of the industry, due to stupidity, lethargy, or other >incompetance, can't compete succesfully with Microsoft. > >Therefore, the government must regulate Microsoft, in order to give the >other companies a fair chance. > >Uh-HUH. > >Who is John Galt? >

1 0

[RANT] Why America Can't Compete
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've just uncovered a massive plot to destroy our nation's competitiveness and inculcate its young people in the collectivist mentality. The tool? Youth sports! This morning's AP wire reports that two football coaches are suing a youth football league after being banned for life because their 11 and 12 year old players won by too large a point spread. Apparently, and I find this truly shocking, it is a common practice in youth sports today to have a rule limiting the number of points by which a game may be won, with horrendous sanctions for violating it. Winning by more than that, it is argued, is "demoralizing" to the other team, and (Gasp!) UNETHICAL! Once the designated point spread is reached, coaches must order their players to deliberately lose, play badly, and act retarded. I became aware of this idiotic practice after I mentioned the AP article to several people, and rather than throwing up their arms in horror, they volunteered that their own local teams had such rules as well. It's time to check closely, to make sure such shenanigans are not afoot in your town, polluting the entrepreneurial spirit of your very own children. Imagine if Ross Perot had played on such a team, or Bill Gates, or Adolf Hitler? The entire course of history might have been changed. ----- FRIENDSWOOD, Texas (AP) -- Two volunteer coaches are taking a youth football league to court after they were banned for life because their 11- and 12-year-old players couldn't resist playing hard. After the Sagemont Cowboys destroyed the Friendswood Chiefs 62-0 on Oct. 4, the Bay Area Football League banned twin brothers Roy and Rene Aguilar -- whose team has dominated the league for several years. ``They're saying that because we demoralized the other team and that we are teaching the kids unethical practices that we're out for life,'' Rene Aguilar, the team's assistant coach, said in Wednesday's editions of The Galveston County Daily News. The league has a rule that prohibits teams from winning by more than 42 points. The Aguilars say they told the team to slow down after building a 42-0 lead, but the players couldn't help scoring again. The Friendswood Chiefs, named after this Houston suburb, fumbled the ball in their own end zone and Sagemont recovered to increase its lead to 48-0. Rene Aguilar said the coaches tried to tell the players not to recover the fumble. ``That's confusing to them,'' he said. ``One minute we're trying to tell them to play hard, then we're telling them to lay down.'' Recovering that fumble, according to a league rule, meant a one-game suspension for the head coach and a $100 fine for the team. Rene Aguilar said the Sagemont club president was at the game and told the coaches to handle the situation however they saw fit. ``So we played the rest of the game because we already knew we were going to be penalized,'' he said. The Cowboys went on to score another 14 points. League officials met two days later and gave the Aguilars a lifetime ban. A judge granted the Aguilars a restraining order to prevent the ban from taking effect, but the order expires Friday. The Aguilars met with the league officials late Wednesday for private mediation in an effort to avoid a court hearing Friday. ``We're not allowed to discuss what went on,'' Peggy Bittick, the coaches' attorney, told The Associated Press late Wednesday. ``We're going full force to court.'' Calls to league officials were not returned. Ms. Bittick said she watched a videotape of the game and it appeared that Friendswood was not trying to recover the fumble. ``It looked like the other team just threw up their hands and gave up.'' -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

2 1

PGP and CMR: Just a Few Lines...
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A point that I still feel gets lost by some participants in this issue is that the changes to PGP for CMR/GMR are very minor -- all that needs to occur is to get the CMR keys from wherever they are stored, and then add them as additional recipients. The political value of persuading PGP to adopt CDR >> actual technical value, as the change to CMR should involve < 10 lines of code (said, of course, without actually inspecting the code :). ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

1 0

Re: PGP, Inc.--What were they thinking?
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>X-POP3-Rcpt: declan(a)relay.pathfinder.com >From: spencer_ante(a)webmagazine.com >X-Lotus-FromDomain: PCWORLD >To: whgiii(a)invweb.net >cc: hallam(a)ai.mit.edu, declan(a)well.com, aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk, tcmay(a)got.net, > fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu >Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:36:44 -0700 >Subject: Re: PGP, Inc.--What were they thinking? >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Sender: owner-fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu >X-Loop: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu >X-FC-URL: Fight-Censorship is at http://www.eff.org/~declan/fc/ >X-FC-URL: To join send "subscribe" to fight-censorship-request(a)vorlon.mit.edu > > >So, I was driving to work this morning listening to KQED's Forum program >and lo and behold: Good 'ol Michael Krasny is leading a discussion on >surveillance in the workplace that centered around a new survey/special >report that PC World just published in its November issue. > >You Are Being Watched >An exclusive PC World survey of 200 company executives shows that more and >more businesses are >monitoring their employees' Web use. Here's the lowdown on what you should >know about surfing >the Net on company time. > >http://www.pcworld.com/workstyles/online/articles/nov97/1511p245.html > >Should provide some interesting points for discussion. > ><<<S>>> >

1 0

No Subject
by LEANDRO R. PREDA 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please I need your help! I need of coputers virus , To I infectin the my computers school

1 0