December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: PGP Employee on MKR
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Lucky Green wrote: >I have watched this silly debate for some time now. PGP pulled an >awsome hack on corporate America, bringing strong crypto to thousands >of corporate drones, while Cypherpunks, the crypto elite, seems >incapable of reponding with anything other than to engage in frenzied >mutual masturbation fueld by GAK fantasies. > >This is sad. Very sad. What is sad is that people who are capable of expositing their beliefs in a clear and coherent way choose instead to stoop to name calling. Wouldn't it be more effective to explain exactly how our views are "silly"? If what you say makes sense, some of us may even agree with you. You describe PGP's achievement as "an awsome hack on corporate America". Yet, Jason Bobier, an employee of PGP, Inc. says "_All_ of the developers at PGP are personal privacy zealots and no one likes the idea of the MRK." What is it that has Jason and his friends concerned? Clearly there are legitimate concerns and some people inside PGP, Inc. have them like everyone else. For that matter, why was it that Phil Zimmermann spoke out against exactly this sort of product not so long ago? What was it that concerned Phil? Why is this concern no longer relevant to the point of being "silly"? While we are at it, why was it that we didn't like Clipper? After all, its use was entirely voluntary and it would have disseminated crypto widely. In many instances, it would actually be preferable to 'PGP for Business' because the Feds wouldn't be tattling to your employer if you were considering employment elsewhere or complaining about your boss. 'PGP for Business' doesn't have the government's key built in, but the infrastructure is all there. It will get people accustomed to the idea that it is reasonable to be under constant surveillance by your employer, an idea which is easily extended to other listeners. And we've already seen members of Congress using 'PGP for Business' to justify GAK. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNE/J3ZaWtjSmRH/5AQF1Qwf/SA169EBTJ5XPC7By/nkiUMYNb9kZLoRP FExdNTiKw0hsRP45i99YhKebCifFwHCgGxhCu/Shw8RkHMWziVt0AhvcVUq4FM67 rHDQ9rzX6JTra8yI+esHmxk7A8C/FlaJJP7HHI38kBzd9XP9HMb7FE/OBF39sYvs RYE6VPKfXv4dL44j90PrJHeTaKRZCDObsauuGWBvynzsZRNNp90dXU9SJiBXQV3e rtmr0bo+IGmumiI1zpMta2jHguCH+16YWlaOoIOe6Ql5fh6KLqTouI+o5PlHM31S eqL6uLdEBUOwVFgbTtcdOlJbnWCvNLVgy/y9AhEr1sU0qYbC+jFcEA== =cVS2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

No Subject
by apache＠bear.apana.org.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

WARNING: Bad signature, doesn't match file contents! Bad signature from user "Monty Cantsin". Signature made 1997/10/23 19:43 GMT using 2047-bit key, key ID A6447FF9 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Declan McCullagh wrote: > >A friend of mine by the name of Jason Bobier <jason(a)pgp.com> happens > >to work at PGP, Inc. I'll preface his comments by pointing out that > >I'm sure he doesn't speak for the company in any way. [...] > I'm sure most PGP, Inc. employees would reject the "We had to destroy > the village to save it" line of thinking if it were found in any other > context. > > Monty Cantsin > Editor in Chief > Smile Magazine > http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html > http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQEVAwUBNE+ow5aWtjSmRH/5AQFsWAf+LWjZNCdR6jdAsffX4PR6KLhX8W+V4jkQ > J6odSQNpStVkFhPtcByG+AWaPQLmKxlwVKcO44pQVhTIDhMUlFniSnYtQ/zq+6RF > aeqNG7WLE/58g9Pgh78iBOfJ4wKLi/U5dzpdDX1Ua86B8uzcGKVGTerbN6QoFwH2 > aOd2tytomYWmFQeMdguN43Ak9hP+ruA1dcqrlZjRPhEBhBJOfbYLSYt3GPDn6Cqq > jTL/Ui3fu4KHcK8zGgVnXVwQNL0XubBhQmTZ54ohxywejt1A2Q4g4sh0oxvSCEDY > giqk4uElp5an7K+N1tY+vExvkjdRkjsAQEtFAgp4fzHozbS5jNXBWA== > =FFl7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >

1 0

PRZ Announcement
by Phillip R. Zimmermann 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In light of the great amount of discussion currently taking place in regard to the benefits and disadvantages of my latest bid for money, power, fame and the respect of the corporate computer industry, I would like to reassure the cynics that my committment to privacy has never been stronger. However, I have reassessed my views of who truly has a right to control access to privacy and have come to the conclusion that privacy is too important an issue to be left in the hands of the individual, with the obvious potential for misuse. After a review of the astounding success of the PGP Public Key Server's use, in conjunction with our PGP Privy Products, in ensuring proper key management and control of forgery, spoofing and misuse of Public/Private Key technology, it has become clear that individual privacy can best be ensured under the watchful eye of those with the resources to provide proper surveillance of those who have earned the right to privacy, in order to prevent abuse of that right. I would like to thank my other brother, Phil (Hallam-Baker), for helping me to see that unsupervised use of the right to privacy could result in individuals misusing that right to publish extremely embarassing pictures of me in compromising positions which could affect my credibility. As a matter of fact, it was PH-B who suggested my new signature line. PRZ ~~~ "I don't put them in the PGPtray...I just turn on the GAK." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNE/sV17MfpC8gEO7EQKaCQCePKAo033KBg/O/T9Nz5IrGLIcCZcAn0L4 JDtdMovT9RZKA4PXwJTNdvpr =Xvzl - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNE/svUlfPVhsMJvfEQI2zgCg8aQ15PEU4eNItEprsLQHd2259fIAn2a1 wwKyecnoEQuCElB3ZtJBZQBz =53jb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

7 9

wombat
by apache＠bear.apana.org.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

1 0

David Kahn on National Encryption Policy
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This was published in the October 22 Congressional Record as part of a statement by Senator Moynihan on the retirement of NSA Deputy Director William Crowell: [From Newsday, Oct. 6, 1997] National Security Official Retires--Helped Refocus Agency's Aims (By David Kahn) The National Security Agency has said goodbye to its retiring deputy director, who largely brought the super- secret spy organization into its public, post-Cold War posture. William P. Crowell was the force behind the establishment of the National Cryptologic Museum, which exhibits what had been some of the nation's deepest secrets; the revelation of the VENONA project, which broke Soviet spy codes early in the Cold War; and the National Encryption Policy, which seeks to balance personal privacy with national security. Succeeding Crowell will be Barbara McNamara, who, like Crowell, is a career employee of the agency, which breaks foreign codes and makes American Codes for the United States government. McNamara is the second female deputy director of the agency. The first, Ann Z. Caracristi, who served from 1980 to 1982, is the sister of the late Newsday photographer Jimmy Caracristi. More than 500 present and past members of the agency attended Crowell's recent retirement ceremony at its glossy, triple-fenced headquarters at Fort Meade, Md. They applauded as he was presented with awards for his intelligence and executive services and with a folded American flag that had flow over the agency. They laughed as a picture, claimed to be his retirement portrait, was unveiled: It was a photograph of Crowell, notorious for his love of motorcycles, astride his fancy bike. During his acceptance speech, Crowell choked up when he thanked his wife, Judy, a former agency employee and fellow motorcyclist, for her help. The agency director, Air Force Lt. Gen. Kenneth Minihan, recited some of the administrative landmarks of Crowell's career. Crowell, 58, a native of Louisiana, began in New York City in 1962 as an agency recruiter. In 1969, when he sought an assignment to operations, he became instead an executive assistant to the then-director. He eventually got to operations, where he rose to be chief of W group, whose function remains secret, and then chief of A group, which focused on the then-Soviet Union. After a year in private industry, he rose through other posts to the deputy directorship on Feb. 2, 1994. Among his organizational accomplishments were conceiving a crisis action center and linking the agency with other producers of intelligence to improve information exchange. His more public initiatives included the museum and the VENONA disclosures, which sought to maintain public support for the agency after the disappearance of the Soviet Union. The National Encryption Policy seeks to enable the agency to read the messages of terrorists and international criminals who use computer-based, unbreakable ciphers while enabling individuals to use good cryptosecurity to preserve such rights as security on the Internet. ---------- See Moynihan's statement: http://jya.com/nsa-crowell.htm

1 0

Important
by fp7e＠fp7e30.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** MAKE $34,000 in 14 WEEKS *** The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a huge amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. Initially I let no one in the organization know that I was an attorney and, to my astonishment, I received $34,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Sincerely yours, Biron Stary, Esquire ***"Please Read This Twice!"*** Dear friend, *** Print This Now For Future Reference *** The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment ($15) and the income return potential is TREMENDOUS!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ You are about to make at least $34,000 in less than 90 days! Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ This is a MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. PRINT this letter, read the program... THEN READ IT AGAIN !!! You are looking at the most profitable and unique program you may ever see. It has demonstrated and proven ability to generate large sums of money. This program is showing fantastic appeal with a huge and ever growing population which needs additional income. This is a legitimate LEGAL money-making opportunity. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house, except to get the mail. If you believe that some day you will get that lucky break that you have been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the easy instructions, and your dream will come true! This ORIGINAL electronic multi-level marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME! Thousands of people have used this program to raise capital to start their own business, pay off debts, buy homes, cars, etc., even retire! This is your chance, so don't pass it up. OVERVIEW OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY ELECTRONIC MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING PROGRAM Basically, this is what we do: We sell thousands of people a product for $5.00 that costs us next to nothing to produce and e-mail. As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the U.S. allows you to recruit new multi- level business online (with your computer). The product in this program is a series of four reports. Each order will include the e-mail address of the sender. To fill each order, you simply e-mail the product to the buyer. No postage or time wasted. THAT'S IT!...the $5.00 is yours! This is the GREATEST, EASIEST electronic multi-level marketing business anywhere! There are no more costs after you have purchased the reports. FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS EXACTLY! Let's face it, the profits are worth it! THEY'RE TREMENDOUS!!! So go for it. Remember the 4 points and we'll see YOU at the top! ******* I N S T R U C T I O N S ******* This is what you MUST do: 1. Order the reports listed and numbered from the list below. For each report send $5.00 CASH, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and YOUR RETURN POSTAL ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to each person listed. When you order, make sure you request each SPECIFIC report. You will need all three reports, because you will be saving them on your computer and reselling them. 2. IMPORTANT--DO NOT alter the names, or their sequence other than instructed in this program! Or you will not profit the way you should. Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with yours, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3. Bump off the name in the 3rd position, they already are have made thousands, it's your turn now! When doing this, please make certain you copy everyone's name and address ACCURATELY!!! Also, DO NOT move the Report/Product positions! 3. Take this entire program text, including the corrected names list, and save it on your computer. 4. Now you're ready to start a massive advertising campaign on the WORLDWIDE WEB! Advertising on the WEB is very, very inexpensive, but there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise also. Another avenue which you could use is e-mail mailing lists. You can buy these lists for under $20/1,000 addresses. START YOUR AD CAMPAIGN AS SOON AS YOU CAN. You should pass this opportunity on to all you friends, family, business partners, everyone! The more people that participate, the more CASH you make!!! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!!! ********REQUIRED REPORTS******** ***Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (Concealed) FOR EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY NAME AND NUMBER. ALWAYS SEND FIRST CLASS OR PRIORITY MAIL AND PROVIDE YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR QUICK DELIVERY. ____________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: NEW AGE MARKETING PO Box 60231 King of Prussia, PA 19406 ________________________________________ REPORT #2 "USE YOUR COMPUTER AS A MONEY MAKING MACHINE" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: C.S. Marketing PO Box 1125 Valley Forge, PA 19482 ___________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: ek@NYL 1 Radnor Corp. Cntr, Suite 100 Radnor, PA 19087 ____________________________________________________ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$ Let's say you decide to start small just to see how it goes. Assume your goal is to get 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet could EASILY get a better response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR BUILDING ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 members. Follow this example for the STAGGERING results below. 1st level -- your 10 members with $5 ($5 x 10) $50 2nd level -- 10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100) $500 3rd level -- 10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000 THIS TOTALS------------$5,550 Remember friends, this is assuming that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone got 20 people to participate! Some people get 100's of recruits! THINK ABOUT IT! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and email is FREE!!! REPORT#3 will show you the best methods for finding people who will buy your reports, and it will how to reach thousands of hot prospects! REMEMBER: Approx. 150,000 new people get online monthly! ORDER YOUR REPORTS NOW!!! *******TIPS FOR SUCCESS******* THIS IS YOUR BUSINESS! Send for the three reports IMMEDIATELY, so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report to comply with the U.S. Postal & Lottery Laws, Title 18,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in the U.S. Code, also Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money received." * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly the results WILL undoubtedly be SUCCE$$! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF THAT YOU CAN SUCCEED! *******YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINE******* The check point that guarantees your success is simply this: You MUST receive 20 orders for REPORT #1! THIS IS A MUST! If you don't within two weeks, advertise more and send out more programs until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2. If you don't, advertise more and send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100, or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because you will be on your way to the BANK! -OR- You can DOUBLE your efforts! REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list you are in front of a DIFFERENT report, so you can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by what report people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY!!! NOTE: IF YOU NEED HELP with starting a business, registering a business name, how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business taxes. ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work,you'll lose a lot of money. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow Christian and are in financial trouble like I was, consider this a sign. I DID! Good Luck & God Bless You, Sincerely, Minister Chris Johnson P.S. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,500) looks like piled up on the kitchen table?...IT'S AWESOME! My name is Frank. My wife Doris and I live in Bel-Air, MD. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Doris about receiving "junk mail"! I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Doris totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was stunned. I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work...I AM a believer now. I have joined Doris in her "little" hobby. I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" andit's not for me...We owe it all to MLM. Frank T., Bel-Air, MD I just want to pass along my best wishes and encouragement to you. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. I even checked with the U.S. Post Office to verify that the plan was legal. It definitely is! IT WORKS!!! Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC This is the only realistic money-making offer I've ever received. I participated because this plan truly makes sense. I was surprised when the $5.00 bills started filling my mail box. By the time it tapered off I had received over 8,000 orders with over $40,000 in cash. Dozens of people have sent warm personal notes too, sharing the news of their good fortunes! It's been WONDERFUL. Carl Winslow Tulsa, OK This plan works like GANG-BUSTERS!! So far I have had 9,735 total orders OVER $48,000!!! I hope I have sparked your own excitement, if you follow the program exactly, you could have the same success I have, if not better. Your success is right around the corner, but you must do a little work. Good Luck! G. Bank Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy I was surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders. After that it got so over-loaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where in the U.S. the people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program...11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made $41,000 on the first try!! D. Wilburn, Muncie, IN This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and quite soon we will buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Remember, when you order your four reports, SEND CASH. Checks have to clear the bank and create too many delays. Good luck and happy spending! Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA Typically when I look at a money-making deal I want to know if the company is strong, will it be here when it's time for my big pay off. In this crazy thing there is no company intervention for management to blow it. Just people like me ordering directly from the source! Interesting...I had a couple of projects I'd been trying to fund to no avail so I thought; Why not give it a try? Well 2 1/2 weeks later the orders started coming in. One project is funded and I'm sure the other will be soon! Marilynn St. Claire, Logan, UT ==================================================== We could be printing YOUR testimonial next!!! ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED DOWN THE ROAD TO YOUR FINANCIAL FREEDOM!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ IMPORTANT NOTE: If you don't get a report, please email webmaster(a)crescentstreet.com and inform us, we monitor to make sure you get your reports quickly. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ To be removed from our list please visit http://www.iemmc.org

1 0

Senator Lott on Encryption
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Excerpt below of statement on encryption policy by Senate Majority Leader Lott published in the October 21 Congressional Record. Full statement at: http://jya.com/lott-crypto.htm (12K) ---------- Senator Lott: During the past month, the FBI has attempted to change the debate by proposing a series of new mandatory controls on the domestic sale and use of encryption products. Let me be clear. There are currently no restrictions on the rights of Americans to use encryption to protect their personal financial or medical records or their private e-mail messages. There have never been domestic limitations, and similarly, American businesses have always been free to buy and use the strongest possible encryption to protect sensitive information from being stolen or changed. But now, the FBI proposes to change all that. The FBI wants to require that any company that produces or offers encryption security products or services guarantee immediate access to plain text information without the knowledge of the user. Their proposal would subject software companies and telecommunications providers to prison sentences for failure to guarantee immediate access to all information on the desktop computers of all Americans. That would move us into an entirely new world of surveillance, a very intrusive surveillance, where every communication by every individual can be accessed by the FBI. Where is probable cause? Why has the FBI assumed that all Americans are going to be involved in criminal activities? Where is the Constitution? And how would this proposal possibly help the FBI? According to a forthcoming book by the M.I.T. Press, of the tens of thousands of cases handled annually by the FBI, only a handful have involved encryption of any type, and even fewer involved encryption of computer data. Let's face it--despite the movies, the FBI solves its cases with good old- fashioned police work, questioning potential witnesses, gathering material evidence, and using electronic bugging or putting microphones on informants. Restricting encryption technology in the U.S. would not be very helpful to the FBI. The FBI proposal won't work. I have talked with experts in the world of software and cryptography, who have explained that the technology which would provide compliance with the FBI standard simply does not exist. The FBI proposal would force a large unfunded mandate on our high technology firms, at a time when there is no practical way to accomplish that mandate. Rather than solve problems in our export policy, this FBI proposal would create a whole new body of law and regulations restricting our domestic market. This and similar proposals would also have a serious impact on our foreign market. Overseas businesses and governments believe that the U.S. might use its keys to computer encryption systems to spy on their businesses and politicians. Most U.S. software and hardware manufacturers believe this is bad for business and that nobody will trust the security of U.S. encryption products if this current policy continues. In fact, this proposal appears to violate the European Union's data-privacy laws, and the European Commission is expected to reject it this week. So, the FBI proposal would: Invade our privacy; be of minimal use to the FBI; would require nonexistent technology; would create new administrative burdens; and would seriously damage our foreign markets. This is quite a list. Mr. President, the FBI proposal is simply wrong. I have learned that even the administration does not support this new FBI proposal. So why does the FBI believe it must now subject all Americans to more and more surveillance? This independent action by the FBI has created confusion and mixed signals which are troublesome for the Senate as it works on this legislation. Perhaps the FBI and the Justice Department need to focus immediately on a coordinated encryption position. Mr. President, I congratulate the members of the House Commerce Committee for rejecting this FBI approach by a vote margin of more than 2 to 1. -----

1 0

Re: US Senator Lott Criticizes FBI Crypto Plans (fwd)
by John Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Senator Lott says: >Where is probable cause? Why has the FBI assumed that all Americans are >going to be involved in criminal activities? Where is the Constitution? Bravo, Senator Lott! It is a pleasure to hear a Senator speak out against the FBI's plans. Plus he is basing it on the Constitution as well as practical problems. So many Senators become mouthpieces for the FBI. What a pleasant difference. Senator Lott's words deserve to be widely heard. Let us remember that not everyone in the government is in Louis Freeh's pocket. With people like Senator Lott we can still be confident that Louis Freeh's Big Brother plans can be stopped. "John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

2 1

Elliptic Curve Cryptography
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is Elliptic Curve Cryptography a better encryption system than RSA ? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

2 1

Re: ADMIN: lost messages (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Jeff Barber <jeffb(a)issl.atl.hp.com> > Subject: Re: ADMIN: lost messages (fwd) > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:21:27 -0400 (EDT) > I understand this rationale. It isn't a rationale, its reality. This view is not moderated by political or ideological beliefs but the harsh reality that things don't work the right way all the time. > But that doesn't explain what's > happening to the missing messages. Your implied base assumption is that the reason is always the same. I seriously doubt it. > Is there a flaw in the > distributor/reflector duplicate-filtering algorithms? The process is so simple it ain't funny. I believe, but won't guarantee it, that we are all using a procmail script to remove duplicate messages, and that is all the 'distributor/reflector duplicate-filter algorithms' there is. Unless one of the other repeaters is doing something more complicated they haven't said. In short, you are under the misconception that this is something special, it ain't. SSZ receives traffic from the other remailers at cpunks(a)ssz.com, just a normal user account, which has the procmail script filtering duplicates. It then forwards to cypherpunks(a)ssz.com, which is the majordomo managed list. cpunks(a)ssz.com as well as the rest of the subscribers get their traffic from here. If the procmail breaks then I get a mail loop at SSZ and my box fills up and lets me know pretty quickly something is broke because majordomo recognizes this through the X-loop: and kills them in that case as well as sending postmaster (me) all kinds of nifty hints. The other sites in this case still filter duplicates so things still don't run away. >From my end to add another node is to put it in the procmail script for outbound and have them add cpunks to their outbound list. > Or is this > a problem of certain messages being introduced into a node whose > product does not get propagated to all subscribers of all the other > nodes? Sounds good to me...<shrug> > Or are you saying that if ssz (say) goes down for a few > minutes it forgets about any mail it has queued up for its > counterparts at cyberpass and algebra (et al.)? No, SSZ has full inbound and outbound traffic queing for up to 4 days or the hard drive fills up here and at my ISP. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________| ps The ISDN was apparently moved to a new pair. It seems rock solid at this point...time will tell.

1 0