December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Re: attack on marijuana and other plants: >> That should read: ... free of drugs that cannot be taxed or >> patented. > I have one of the red ribbons they give to school kids during DARE week. > It reads "Live healthy and drug free. Sponsored by Thrifty Drug Store". > > The analysis is obvious. A few drags...and I can see multiple ways out and beyond. So why all this heat on this harmless and rewarding substance? CM

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PGP Key or Public Key Block
by ahoier＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Which do I put in my e-mails to the list my PGP KEY OR PUBLIC KEY BLOCK????????????????? The PGP Block I got off thr NET on some1's web site on this list and somebody gave me the PGP KEY!!!!!! Will that help???? Or do I use the Public Key to decrypt PGP Messages?? 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BTW, How _DO_ I decrypt messages (PGP)? Because I just Copy $ Paste the Keys to my letters because I dont have a PGP PROGRAM!!!!!!!!! Hope I didn't make a mistake!!!!!!!!! ADAM HOIER

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Stew Baker on SAFE
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Will Rodger we offer Stewart Baker's letter to the Chairman Bliley of the House Commerce Committee on the Oxley/Manton amendment to SAFE, sent just before the vote: http://jya.com/safe-baker.htm Compare it to his public analysis of the FBI technical assistance draft: http://jya.com/gak-baker.htm

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Re: [NTSEC] pgp 5.0 back door
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Michael Warfield <mhw(a)iss.net> writes to Ray Arachelian or somebody: >... Phil Zimmerman is an absolute religous fanatic about backdoors! >When ViaCrypt implimented a commercial escrow feature to give companies the >ability to issues keys where they had a key escrow, he used that as a reason >to break their contract. He had a "no backdoor" clause in the ViaCrypt >agreement for PGP. After the US goverment tried to investigate Phil into >bankruptcy for several years, I seriously doubt he would do ANYTHING >to assist them except to assist them into a pit somewhere... The PGP Web site in http://www.pgp.com/products/differences.cgi has a list of differences between PGP 5.0 (personal PGP) and PGP 4.5.x (corporate PGP). The corporate one includes a feature that the private one doesn't called "message recovery". Given Phil's fanaticism outlined above, this presumably isn't any way to get at the plaintext without the user's knowledge or cooperation, but just what the heck IS it? I can't find a description of the feature on-line. The manual itself is on-line in PDF, which presumably answers this question for acrobat fans. I see nothing about "message recovery" in the hard-copy PGP 4.5 manual. For the guy who's concerned about backdoors in PGP 5.0 -- there's no reason to believe there are any. There's source out there for you to download, and you can browse it over and compile a copy for yourself. I recommend buying a legal copy anyway, even if you are going to use the one you compiled yourself, to encourage makers of strong crypto for the masses -- if you're getting value, may as well pay for it and feel good about yourself. Salvo Salasio - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- P.S. For CypherSaber CipherKnights: set your secret decoder ring to "WriteYourCongressman" to decrypt this: e91a 46d8 fba9 aaf5 927f 7a3f 1ded 8757 a741 4bb6 5568 3a5a f118 dc2b 11de ebb3 e873 ffa1 d520 09ea 52b6 65c3 a42a 3d14 befa 0f3e ff09 e09a ad26 f877 aa84 4722 8ac3 770a 0aad 48a0 bf1e 9c51 2b1e a54f 8a7e 3e14 b0d1 3a84 8852 f9db d7ce 73b5 4066 d516 4d77 0395 37e2 b79c 9acd 6107 ecff 72bc e985 0ede fcf0 eabd b903 9217 a0fc b95d 5ad7 3431 ba73 0d98 360b cef2 f863 ed54 8aa4 b0a9 6ed1 a2bb 8449 346f 1a7f f431 b8cf 95e3 b372 b0f5 c8a9 5ae1 622f d59f c990 fd6d 3611 bc1e d842 82c7 c112 27d8 8b1e f3d8 f769 a10c d4f7 6360 dea4 f6cf feb3 e8c6 c72b 7b4a 03dc 00c4 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNC/Bm9eed+DWkqwBAQGeNwP+I857P9Tf5fJU6O6ahI3uvxmgM1jFTzJH E05r7vhOX7oZnosUhYVni7BpYwlfusEyWFs1TzPgDDxnPveNi36mDwSEoD17A0wP fH4767MUHkNHaVntLBbHBCbKytQKarZC0X1eLa5rvg76WJtP5WBooyLkDbURrJuR jjQgifCV7hg= =PIRT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:33:31 +0200 (MET DST) > To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > >Basicly most of those 3400 message cracker handles daily are cover > >trafic,... > > How do you know this? If the remailer network works properly, you > should not have any knowledge of this at all. Because if a remailer is working correctly for each incoming message n + 1 outgoing messages should be sent. Of those n + 1 messages, n are cover traffic and 1 is the actual outgoing traffic. It is clear that n should be larger than 1 to be effective. Therefore we know that at least half of the traffic out of a given remailer is cover there simply to waste our cpu cycles because the complexity of traffic analysis rises by the square of n (I believe, working from memory here). > This is like saying we should only encrypt messages which are really > secret. You should encrypt all of your messages - then nobody can > tell when you have a secret. This raises an intersting point. How would a remailer system be set up to handle encrypted email on both incoming and outgoing? In other words the sender would contact the remailer with a key set and the remailer would then send the results onward with individual recipients key sets. The only way I could figure out to solve this in my playing around was to have a key server that kept listings of all the parties keys. Is there a simpler way? I figure the key server should not be the remailer machine. > definitely get some market activity going and start generating some > real remailer traffic. Nobody expects to get rich but such an activity should at least be capable of recompensing its owner and operators in an acceptable manner. >From who and doing what? There has to be more than anonymous speech, laundering cash, and avoiding credit analysis. But what? > Let me now note that this dialogue has been somewhat surreal. Am I > really begging the cypherpunks to use ecash? No, at least not from my perspective. What we are asking is what we should be using it for? I certainly have very little I would say anonymously. I believe the best way to stay out of jail and reasonably secure is to be know by large groups of people who might lend sympathetic ears in times of need. I don't promote violence or unnecessary boat rocking, BUT (and it's a big one for me) I do expect those who I charge with certain duties to carry those duties out within the bounds of the contract we arranged. One aspect of this is that if the charge is very controversial and you are known to be vocal a gag order might be enforced. In such situations he who has already had their say is much better off because then people realize the impact clearly. Just consider the reaction to the Canadian criminal speech ban and the resultant web activity for a real world example. With that kind of press I can guarantee that the Canadians, even with their Draconian beliefs in civil rights, are not going to use that sort of tactic widely. Now here is a use for a <nearly> free anonymous remailer. > It's a good idea to get ecash in now because it will be harder to > incorporate payment methods later when there is more infrastructure to > change. (Look at the mixmaster problem. It can't (according to > Lucky) be used for ecash without modification.) > > However, it appears that part of the problem with the remailers is > that nobody uses them. We should be making a concerted effort to do > so, and not just for cpunk traffic. We should use them for > everything. It won't take that many people to reduce the message > delays substantially. It will also advertise the remailer network to > our friends who may not yet be cypherpunks. > > The tools exist to do this. Yes, but why would I? > It is somewhat ironic that we complain that Joe Sixpack won't use > tools that we will not (or even cannot) use ourselves. I don't buy a screwdriver to sit and fondle, I buy it to use on screws... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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None
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I, Monty Cantsin, will pay five dollars to the second operator of a remailer on Raph's list to give me a blow job. Offer expires October 29, 1997 C.E. Disputes are to be settled by Tim May. If Mr. May declines to participate, Monty Cantsin will decide. This is not a forgery by that Canadian asshole. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDB8J5aWtjSmRH/5AQHmswf+IqeuP8LPLjjcHZwAxAQbb8A7zRACpxYF ghfwjjHiBrPsGqZ8t4WRVJ7hB+wm/A8Jj2w52C7bFMxPHxadPqkoAO6J/KffyLhb geW0kY8IAxqKhkxXq7QwayrEz3OmvaOIMzFtD27EhHOOsQT1Yl6qGBtZi2ZyRliI 0H1tD5eSY/xK9A1y+biF7RMJ3xWyvvoaYH12J9O1tFT3e+9ccJxMbxyHNBjeOzD6 onRBola4CkSOjF2AA+PhhGH4u9C7LQ/CGDAViFkoScgPoieyJBWgQYRBBJP3Nv7u Tf3oqm7yt8s0rOiTBT5VRR7PzA5HaJCj/42KHkW1aAZnODtteZlg1g== =ijWq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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None
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I, Monty Cantsin, will pay twenty-five dollars to the second operator of a remailer on Raph's list to get a machine up and running which accepts ecash as payment to forward a message. Offer expires October 29, 1997 C.E. Disputes are to be settled by Tim May. If Mr. May declines to participate, Monty Cantsin will decide. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDB8J5aWtjSmRH/5AQHmswf+IqeuP8LPLjjcHZwAxAQbb8A7zRACpxYF ghfwjjHiBrPsGqZ8t4WRVJ7hB+wm/A8Jj2w52C7bFMxPHxadPqkoAO6J/KffyLhb geW0kY8IAxqKhkxXq7QwayrEz3OmvaOIMzFtD27EhHOOsQT1Yl6qGBtZi2ZyRliI 0H1tD5eSY/xK9A1y+biF7RMJ3xWyvvoaYH12J9O1tFT3e+9ccJxMbxyHNBjeOzD6 onRBola4CkSOjF2AA+PhhGH4u9C7LQ/CGDAViFkoScgPoieyJBWgQYRBBJP3Nv7u Tf3oqm7yt8s0rOiTBT5VRR7PzA5HaJCj/42KHkW1aAZnODtteZlg1g== =ijWq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: ElGamal
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C[reep] May carries a turd in his wallet for identification purposes. \|/ (*,*) Timothy C[reep] May _m_-_m_

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RE: engineering infowar disasters (was Re: How the FBI/NSA forces can further twist SAFE)
by Phillip Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Saturday, September 27, 1997 7:57 PM, Adam Back [SMTP:aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk] wrote: > Reckon cypherpunks can knock up a few of those. > > So lets here some ideas for good photogenic infowar attacks which show > that the lack of crypto is dangerous. I suggest unless people want to hand the FBI an excuse to harass everyone that they don't enter into this discussion. There are plenty of conspiracy laws on the book. Infrastructure attacks are illegal and exactly the kind of thing that gets long jail sentences. More to the point it is completely counterproductive. Even now there is probably some FBI junior waving Back's message in the air as if he has won the pools, probable cause for wiretaps I would say. I suspect I'm not the only person on the list who is responsible for a service that is a regular hacker target. If I catch someone I really don't care what the motive for the attack was. I'm going to look to make that person serve jail time. Phill

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Re: Remailers and ecash
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Lucky Green wrote: >On Sun, 28 Sep 1997, Anonymous wrote: >> >> Nonsense. Type 1 remailers offer a certain level of security. It is >> suitable for many applications. Type 1 remailers require a fairly >> determined attacker to thwart. They would certainly keep you safe >> from the IRS, but maybe not the NSA. >> >> Even if you were running a child kidnapping ring and failing to report >> the income, you would be pretty safe using Type 1 remailers. The NSA >> would never take the chance of revealing their capabilities just to >> save a few kids. > >I disagree. The entire Type 1 networks can be trivially analyzed. It >doesn't require an NSA for this. A single person that understands mixes >and a few hackers to compromise some of the upstream, downstream servers, >not even the remailers themselves, could do it. > >Type 1 remailers are fun toys. No more. Please pardon my ignorance, but could you elaborate on this attack? Assuming the user's machine is not compromised, in which case the game is over, whose machines are being broken into? Are you saying that The Enemy just watches the messages going in and out of a particular site and then watches the site where they suspect the messages are going? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNC/lZ5aWtjSmRH/5AQFZqQf+IDR2uv2cB77x0DmEb83Zqq1+a63MjLr1 jUB8v/sQoCXRX0WfoEls5FBqu19/13AVk8y1UdNdXz6oFwEZ0hlBeLBt6jOhSQcq nl49H1sFsYOuQKTAMioaO8srlENVETK5kUb0PUPrah9jgj3j66zR3FdDQWUeur5C +DcpCkjfrv9BwQt8PJ4PYtnmsaHDTuI1ESI1qpE5U0UdKUx2i2FtP9HtwUamWSA7 ZviDOfqlliVIhe3HWmC1rcr2VizqWA++HetEEehmPNVt2AwpWvUiIn15fnhL1HW4 vnOJAcxRx/ThI/ON5L4Y0af8Q1YowkNIvqWLU8vEaNFfgC8sxV50pQ== =IAPf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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