December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

whine politics again
by Monique Lamont 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

on the subject of wine-importing restrictions in florida: tcmay wrote: > Chiles and his co-conspirators should be shot for high crimes > against the > Constitution. After Clinton, Freeh, Kerrey, and the other traitors. > > Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right > thing. > Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all > that. oh yaah. you betcha. it's illegal to ship wine to floridans now, so therefore it is okay to execute the responsible officials and blow up innocents. no doubt there are hundreds of cypherpunks out there nodding their heads in blithe agreement at this point. HELLO PEOPLE! buy a clue from the Discount Clue Store, and while you are out, stop by the Jiffy Lube and get your common human decency refilled. love, alice0 --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Money orders, debit cards, ...
by jimbell＠pacifier.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:11 5/11/97 -0700, Greg Broiles wrote: >At 02:12 AM 5/11/97 -0700, David Wagner wrote: >>(Note: contents of calls are protected by law, but traffic analysis >>specifically is allowed, far as I can tell.) > >Correct. There is no (federal) constitutionally protected privacy interest in >traffic-analysis data about phone calls, because (so the argument goes) that >data is voluntarily disclosed to a third party (the phone company). That argument is bullshit, however. Getting technical about it, you "disclose" your voice to the phone company so that it can digitize it and send it to its destination. If that argument were valid, voice would be unprotected as well. Chances are excellent that this odd position is a holdover from a time (1920's) when many if not most telephone calls were manually switched, and you had to tell the (human) operator the number you wanted to call. That act of telling was probably considered "disclosure." However, logically the adoption of a system of automatic switching (which doesn't require recording the number called; for many decades such recording wasn't even done because it was economically impractical except for charged LD) would eliminate the presumption that the number was already "disclosed." Since phone company operations subsequent to call takedown do not require the recording of destination numbers, any more than they need to record voice, the constitutional treatment of these two pieces of information should be identical. In any case, constitutional rights should not depend on (or be limited by) the state of technology 70 years ago. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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No Subject
by Kamil Golombek 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:08 AM 5/11/97 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >I note that Washington, DC occasionally even contains Duncan Frissells, >Lucky Greens, and Sameer Parekhs. There are worse ways of dying than being vaporized. In fact, there are worse ways of living than dying. No, I do not believe this to currently be the case. In my book, the US is presently the best place to live. As does Tim. Still, I do accept anonymous email. Especially if it contains travel blackout days. Seriously, I doubt anybody on this list is going to do something violent. That doesn't mean I think that nobody in the world is willing to nuke DC. I am told that quite a few Russian nukes are unaccounted for. Just for the record, I believe that it considerably more likely for New York City to be nuked than DC. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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Re: Disinformation in L.A. Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Does anyone here know chemistry, besides Jim Bell, who's busy? Someone > should update the Anarchist's Cookbook. Potassium nitrate is a natural byproduct of the decay of organic material. It is highly soluable in warm water, but at low temperatures (<10C) will quickly precipitate out and be displaced in solution by other salts, such as sodium chloride. Extract by evaporation of water from chilled solution. Mix seven parts potassium nitrate with three parts carbon (coal). Compact and ignite to produce explosion. This has been known for centuries. The Chinese used this mainly for pyrotechnic displays and entertainment, however the Europeans have found more political applications of the technology.

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17 Dec '03

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Cryptography Forum
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Does anyone here know chemistry, besides Jim Bell, who's busy? Someone > should update the Anarchist's Cookbook. Potassium nitrate is a natural byproduct of the decay of organic material. It is highly soluable in warm water, but at low temperatures (<10C) will quickly precipitate out and be displaced in solution by other salts, such as sodium chloride. Extract by evaporation of water from chilled solution. Mix seven parts potassium nitrate with three parts carbon (coal). Compact and ignite to produce explosion. This has been known for centuries. The Chinese used this mainly for pyrotechnic displays and entertainment, however the Europeans have found more political applications of the technology.

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RE: RSA, PGP IN LEGAL FLAP OVER ENCRYPTION TECHNOLOGY
by Chris DiBona 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This really came as no surprise to anyone who deals with RSA. Note I am only talking for myself when I write this, but there is a LOT of money to be made by someone (certicom?) if they can give a cross-platform rsa type solution. I mean RSA has a fairly good product,but I can name at elase two other companies who've had this exact same problem with cross-licensing. Really, does RSA expect Netscape or Microsoft to re-license every time they allow an oem to repackage thier products into or as part of a suite of programs with a third party vendor? RSA has a bunch of bullies at thier helm. They should realize that pulling this kind of crap will only make people jump ship faster when another company comes calling with a similar product and less restrictive licensing. I think that RSA should also realize that without PGP, their market would be much smaller, I think every time RSA licenses thier (now renewed) patents, they should think of Phil. I don't mean to saint the guy here or anything, but they owe him a debt that is difficult to quantify. By suing PGP they are basically saying , if I can extrapolate in a rather extreme manner, "privacy is okay, but only if we make money at it." And keep in mind , I don't begrudge RSA thier right to make money off thier intellectual property, but suing your customers except in the most extreme situations should be seen as a warning sign to the industry that to deal with RSA as a vendor is to take a risk that may be dangerous. Chris DiBona dibona(a)acm.org

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Re: Applauding Violence (was: Re: Wine Politics Again! (fwd))
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Trei wrote: > >> On Fri, 9 May 1997, Tim May wrote: > >>Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right > >>thing. Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all > >>that. > I'm getting progressively more turned off by > Tim's developing survivalist/confrontationist stance. I fear that > journalists and other casual readers will mistake his positions > for common 'cypherpunk' viewpoints. If they don't know shit from shinola, then let them base their beliefs on any mistaken notion they wish. Every cypherpunk who wants to edit their posts out of fear that some dweeb will mistake them for the God of Cypherpunks raise your hand. (Looks like you're the only one, Peter.) > The type of armed, ingrained bitterness towards all aspects and > manifestations of government he displays is hazardous to himself > personally; I can envisage a simple traffic stop turning violent. It certainly did for Rodney King. > Worse, he's demonizing his opponent. This is counter-productive. > It's better to try to understand the actual underlying goals of > your opponent - it gives you a much better chance at turning > him into your ally, or avoiding a conflict if you cannot do that. > If he can be neither turned nor avoided, the minimum action to > change the status quo should be used. Precisely. The level of minimum action needed to change the status quo is increasing by leaps and bounds. If the average citizen was not complacently allowing the government to run ramshod over the rights and freedoms of the citizens, then the individuals who choose to battle this oppression would not have to take such drastic action in retaliation. > The policies of the current gang in power are bad, and may well > get worse. But terrorism is not yet an appropriate response, and > I pray that it never will be. Everyone has their own threshold of pain which they can endure before they feel compelled to take steps to counteract the actions of the source of that pain. For some that threshold is a slap, for some a punch, and for some it is a beating. Those who cause pain to others will suffer the consequences of their actions. This applies to the people who are lowest on the totem pole in the oppression of the citizens just as much as it applies to Timothy McVeigh. I didn't notice any great cries of outrage when the U.S. attack on Saddam Hussein resulted in the death of innocents. It seems that some lives are deemed more expendable than the lives of others. When U.S. forces slaughtered retreating Iraqui troops a great cheer of victory sounded throughout the nation. Had the opposite scenario been the case, the nation would have been calling for the heads of the Iraquis for their callousness. If those who participate in the unjust persecution of a plethora of the nation's citizens become so comfortable with their ability to remain insulated from the consequences of their actions that they feel free to place their children at the scene of the crime, then they face the same responsibility as someone who takes their child along on an armed robbery. The terrorism was not instituted by the citizens against their government, but the other way around. TruthMonger #2

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