December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[reep] May has been a source of endless embarassments to his sympathizers on and off the net. o \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \ o / o /|\ | /\ ___\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ Tim C[reep] May / \ / \ | \ /) | ( \ /o\ / ) | (\ / | / \ / \

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RE: Hard to Tax Scenario
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:24 PM 3/29/97 -0500, Robert Hettinga wrote: >(By the way, I'm going to embarass Doug Barnes now by naming a law after >him. He said a thing of beauty at FC97: "Any transaction protocol which >has, as one of it's steps, '...and then you call the cops', isn't a real >good idea on the internet." Shall we call it Barnes' Law, anyone? Sure, >lots have said it before, but no one's said it better...) Actually, I think it was "...and then you punish them". I second the motion. :-) -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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Re: Microsoft ammunition (fwd)
by Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > > Forwarded message: > > > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:11:50 -0600 > > From: Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> > > Subject: Microsoft ammunition > > > But, if you're tired of the repetition, here's a > > reason you should sit through another sermon: > > RandomNoise's Coda. Coda lets you design entire > > Web pages in Java rather than use a mixture of > > HTML content, tags, and Java applets. > > > > A Java-based Web page removes the distinction > > between application and data. It presents data > > just as an HTML page would, but every element on > > the screen has the potential to be an interactive > > part of a sophisticated application. > > Mix this with the distributed processing model of Plan 9 and you may just > have tomorrows computer environment. I very much hope not. We designed HTML with very specific goals in mind, above all that the source be declarative and machine readable. That is why HTML can be edited by the recipient, fed into a voice synth or index by Alta-Vista. The Java based web pages will be opaque, just like postscript. Try to cut and paste from ghostview to emacs. Merging the distinction between applet and code will give lots of techno-geeks a nice orgasm but its the style of computing the Web has replaced. I have yet to see a single Java applet that has the slightest functional utility. I like Java as a language, particularly because it has killed C++ stone dead just as everyone thought it had taken over the world. I don't see that anyone has done anything with mobile code that is of interest however. If all you want is a better user interface add some more tags into HTML, implement Dave Raggets '94 draft perhaps. I think the idea of using Java to move an applet from the client to a server is very exciting but thats not in the Sun/Oracle game plan. The hypertext community had been beating the coda type model for decades before the Web. I was skeptical then and I'm more skeptical now. I turned Javascript, Active-X and Java off about 9 months back because I had little confidence in their security. I soon realised I was much happier when the page did not dance about in front of my eyes. I very rarely come to a site I can't access without them. If I could turn off animated Gifs as well I would be even happier. I think the future of computing is much more likely to lie in returning to simple but powerfull ideas. Presentation types, parallel languages and genuine process oriented object systems interest me much more. Phill

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ZDNet Special Report: Web Tragedy
by announce＠lists.zdnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------------------------------------------------------------------ ZDNET ANNOUNCEMENT 3/28/97 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Join us today for our latest ZDNN news special report,"Web Tragedy". Once again, we see how the Web affects us and our culture, in ways never foreseen. Shades of Jonestown. A mass suicide. Bizarre enough. But even more so. Reason: Even this could be tied to the Internet. ___"Heavens Gate" Web Site Now Accessible Via Yahoo! Internet Life___ As the Heaven's Gate Web site continues to experience overload, Yahoo! Internet Life has mirrored a major portion of the site for Internet surfers looking for more information on the cult. Heaven's Gate Web site: http://www.zdnet.com/yil/higher/higher.html ___ ZDNet News Special Report___ Visit ZDNet News for a comprehensive news package on the suicide of the 39 Web designers, including: video reports, insight from inside the Net subculture itself, perspective from cult experts, a discussion forum and the latest news as it happens. ZDNet News Special Report: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/heavensgate ___ Yahoo! Internet Life Offers Report from Cult Experts___ Yahoo! Internet Life also offers an exclusive column by noted cult experts Robert Siegelman and Flo Conway, who try to make sense of the tragedy. Cults on the Web: http://www5.zdnet.com/yil/higher/cultcol1.html We'll be updating these sites continually as this story unfolds. ________________________________________________________ ZDNet Announcements are periodic notices of new features, special events and free offers available to members of ZDNet. --To subscribe to ZDNet Announcements, please send mail to: announce-on(a)lists.zdnet.com You can leave the subject and body blank. --To unsubscribe to ZDNet Announcements, please send mail to: announce-off(a)lists.zdnet.com You must leave the subject and body blank. _________________________________________________________ Powered by Mercury Mail: http://www.merc.com

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WebWorld 20
by Bubba Rom Dos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Hello
by winsock＠rigel.cyberpass.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, anyone know if the Cyphernomicon is still available? --Chipjunkie --Tim May Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Dilbert on Smartcards
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The March 21 Dilbert is on http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/ Friday; to see it later, look in http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/ # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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SSL weakness affecting links from pages with GET forms
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.zdnet.com:80/intweek/daily/970327x.html has an article about an SSL problem that affects both Netscape and MicrosoftIE browsers, leaking "secure" data such as credit card numbers from web pages with GET-based SSL forms on it. It was discovered by Dan Klein. There isn't specific detail about how the flaw works, but it says that it affects GET forms but not POST. Commentary from NS, MS, Gene Spafford, and Steve Bellovin. "It's like you've gone to the restaurant with your lover," Klein said. "The restaurant is there, it's private, yet when you leave the restaurant you have the menu in your hand and there's food all over your shirt." # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Higher Sources and PGP
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Duncan Frissell <frissell(a)panix.com> writes: > >From the Higher Sources website. They were offering security services > including PGP training. Can Aliens factor large numbers? So, the 39 kibologists didn't commit suicide!!! > http://www7.concentric.net/~Font/pro/main.htm#1 > > Higher Source's Internet World Wide Web > services include: ... > PGP, Privacy and > Security Training ... They were murdered by Cocksucker John Gilmore!!! --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: [IMPORTANT] PRNG
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy May digs into his cesspool of a mind for his mailing list fertilizer. _ / ' | /><oo><\ Timmy May //[ `' ]\\

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