December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>In the same way I do not believe that the sheeple who every 5 years go >>out and vote in some corrupt and evil party to power commit a crime >>against me, even though they are definitely naive, stupid and brainwashed >> to believe in the process of demoncracy, and particularly in its current >> flavour. Remember the NAP, direct acts of agression are the only crimes. > >Well I for one do not beleive that only direct acts of agression are the >only crimes. If I hire a hitman to bump off my wife I am as guilty of the >murder as the one who pulls the trigger. If he kills off 2 or 3 others in the process of killing her even I only hired him to kill her I am still >guilty for the other deaths. If you are in a group of people, and vote for your wife not to be killed, but you are outnumbered and the group have her killed, I would not say you were guilty. Similarly if everyone else chose to vote in a poll to say "do you want to kill William Geigers wife?" and you abstained, I would not say you were guilty. The paralells between this and a political election are easy to draw. >The same goes true for governments and their citizens. Citizens "hire" >governments to do their bidding. If the people want their government to do >"x" and they do "y" and the people let them continue doing "y" then they >are just as guilt as the officials in the government. Ofcource you have >the segmant of the population that support "y" but they are obviously >guilty. In that case I would say you were guilty of murder. I do take direct action against the government, and so do you, because we have not yet removed the state does not mean we are murderers. >> A government can only conduct its activities with the support of its >> population. This may be active support or support through inactivity (ie >> shrugging shoulders and doing nothing). >Shrugging of shoulders is ignorant and reprehensible but not criminally >so. To make an analogy, if I see someone in the street who has been run >over by a car and is going to die if I do not fetch assistance, to walk >on by would certainly be a callous act, but not criminal. >Also, often there is very little one can do alone, you are starting to >apply democratic arguments here, in that you are saying "if the majority >of English people support the occupation of NI kill all English people". >Yes that is *EXACTLY* what I am saying. :) > >It is up to the people to control their governmnet. If their government >acts illegaly or immorally and the citizens do nothing to stop them (up to >and including arm revolt against their government) then they are just as >guilty as the ones pulling the triggers!! Yes, but there are several reasons why this cannot currently occur: 1. The UK government has systematically taken action to disarm the population, of course, this law can be easily circumvented. 2. The majority of people are too cowardly to take any action, and too brainwashed to see the governments evils. 3. The English do not understand the history of NI, although NI is not the only issue which should cause public outcry it is the most obvious, and most people simply do not even realise the crimes carried out by the British in NI. >Every English man, woman & child is guilty of the crimes against the Irish >people and as such are fair game for retalition. Perhaps this was only a figure of speech and I am replying to a void point but I do not believe, even if we accept citizens are responsible for the crimes of the government, that children could be guilty, not that is if under voting age, and definitely not if under the age of criminal responsibility. >Perhaps if enough good >Englishmen get blownup the will finally force their government to stop >their agression against the Irish. It is better that a lot of bad Englishmen (such as poloticians, police etc.) get killed, they provoke more public sympathy that Joe Sixpack. >Yes, but the only Germans I believe guilty of crimes were those who >directly took action in support of the government, "we were just obeying >orders" is no excuse, but not taking action to end the holocaust was no >crime. Turning a blind eye, and taking no action, are different things, I > do not turn a blind eye to the problems in northern Ireland, I recognise > however that there is nothing I can do to solve this problem, so I >concentrate on more productive things. >Well with that attitude, "there is nothing I can do" is why governments >get away with what they do. Of course, but it is very often true. Of course the German people should have revolted and deposed Hitler before WWII even began, the reason they did not do so was cowardice, the reason the English do not revolt is because they *do not see that the government commits crimes*. To English people, the governments acts of brutality in NI are just "protecting the people" or "keeping the peace" etc. There is a vast difference between persuading people who realise they should do something to do it, and persuading people to see things a different way. >You as a citizen of the UK are responcible for >the actions of your government. This is a responcibility you can not >ingnore because it is "too hard" or "too incovienant". It is not only your >right but your duty to do everything possable upto and including the arm >overthrowing of your government. I realise that I, as an citizen of the UK should do something from a moral point of view, but, this simply does not suggest to me that if I do not do anything I am commiting a crime, this is not a logical step of reasoning to me. Whatever the case, I do do something, it isn`t yet armed revolt, but I wouldn`t rule that out for the future. >The majority of citizen-units are too cowardly to take any action even >when they see the evils of government, this makes it very difficult for >the minority to end this evil, there is definitely strenth in numbers. >Difficult but not impossiable. I am sure that the IRA would like to launch >an all out invasion of England and put an end to the whole thing. They are >too small to do so. So they engage in a policy of "terrorism" against the >citizens of England who are the true powerbase of the English government. Yes, but to do so would require the belief and support of most of the population, a virtually impossible task in a reasonable space of time. I am not saying this is an excuse for inaction, merely stating fact. I personally see geurilla warfare methods, selective "terrorism" and cryptography, as well as info-warfare as the means by which the state will be overthrown, there is no longer a need for large armed revolt. >I would imagine that a "man on the street" survey would find that most UK >citizens support the actions of their government which makes them targets >even more so. Yes indeed, the average brainwashed citizen-unit thinks any "violent" act of self defence is criminal, recall the British public recently signed a petition in massive numbers (something like 10% of the population) for the banning of *all* handguns, even for sporting purposes. There are also laws in the UK which do not allow citizens to carry any defensive weapon whatsoever, these laws kill innocent people. >This is a blatant and misguided overgeneralisation, I realise that >sometimes innocents get killed, I do find this understandable and >sympathise with those who feel they can excuse their actions in the name >of "war", but the actions of those who kill innocent people to get to the > guilty are still crimes, and should be treated as such. >No it puts the responcibility of government actions squarely on the >shoulders of those who are responcible, the citizens. No government wether >democracy or dictatorship can survive without a minimum of passive support >of its citizens. Germany never could have commited its crimes without this >support, the communist in Russia, not the Japanise. As such they are all >guilty, not just the ones pulling the trigers. If you come up to me in the street, hold a gun to my head and tell me to move so you can shoot someone behind me, I am going to move. The government uses force and coercion to compel its citizens to get out of its way and allow it to carry on its evil work. Sure, if I move to allow you to shoot the guy I may be cowardly, not guilty though, I see these two situations as very similar. I don`t think however that I personally can be thought of as guilty, even if we do accept for a moment that non-action is a form of consent, civil disobediance is an excellent tactic to show the violence of the government against peaceful protest, "terrorist" acts simply incur the displeasure of the sheeple and make them more determined to support the government. >You can see prime examples of this all throughout Eastern Europe & the >USSR. The old communist regimes lost popular support and their governments >proptly collapsed. This is something I was thinking about a while ago, is there any way we can vastly accelarate the governments programme of infringment of rights? The boiling a frog slowly argument currently applies in that people do not see the governments evil, if they moved much further more people would open their eyes and see what is happening. Exposing the brutality of the state, as gandhi did to great effect, is always useful. Recall the fracas in NI over a peaceful Orange order march being banned recently (in the end the march went ahead but there was a lot of media coverage). Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Automotive Products - Shocks, Struts, Suspensions
by ijmkkj＠micro-net.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Your REFUND from IQ INTERNET IS HERE!
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Your REFUND from IQ INTERNET IS HERE! This message is for anyone who was ripd off by IQ INTERNET You can now obtain a FULL Refund paid to these Bastards by following these simple instructions. I could also use some help in distributing this REFUND offer! Please help me by mass emailing this out to the Internet. I am sure we could find others who would like a REFUND too! (g) LOL! I just discovered a "way cool" crack for IQ DIRECT / WMRG COM., a pre-paid calling card company. If you want FREE long distance to any where in the world here it is.!!! Call 1-800-510-7941 the automated prompt will ask you for a pin number. Now here is the "Way Cool" Crack ...The pin number is a 10 digit code, for example: 748-700-4162 The first 3 numbers is the 'batch" code and will always stay the same. The "batch" codes seem to run sequentially. In other words 100, 101,112 ...748,749,....999 end. The "batch" codes also represents dollars denominations of $5, $10, $20, $50, $100, $500!!! (lol G) The second and third set of numbers are somewhat random. However as in the example 748-700-4163, I know of people who have been able to pick up a lot of FREE time just by changing one number in the second or third set of numbers. When you dial the 1-800-510-7941 number the automated voice will allow you 5 attempts to enter the correct pin number. You will be disconnected after the 5th attempt. But hey, no problem! Just call back and retry. I have found on average that within the 10th attempt at entering a pin number, you will find an authorized pin number! It is really a lot of fun! Sort of like spinning the Wheel of Fortune and coming up with a jackpot of up to $500 in pre-paid long distance! This crack is likely to end within 1 week of this posting 6/07/97. Do yourself a favor and Hurry! Let everyone know about this "limited" opportunity. (G) Due to high call traffic you may run into busy signals (lol & G)!!! $incerely, Dialing For Dollars$$$

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Encryption Workshop
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On June 10, BXA will present an Encryption Workshop at the Westin Santa Clara, in Santa Clara, California. The half-day program will highlight the current U.S. policy on encryption and will include discussion of the main elements of the interim rule published December 30, 1996, including license exception KMI and the licensing process. The program will also address upcoming revisions based on the Administration's initiative to promote the use of strong encryption by U.S. banks and financial institutions and their subsidiaries overseas. For registration information, please contact: Carol Truhe with the Professional Association for Exporters and Importers at (408) 524-2135 or by fax at (408) 524-2023.

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Re: [ADMINISTRATIVIUM] Quadratic residues
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

`A pen is mightier than a sword', not to mention Timmy C. May's pea-sized penis. He would be better served by a safety razor, possibly applied in a bathtub filled with warm water (something he has surely never been into). o /\O/ O Timmy C. May 0 \\ | 0-# // | / \

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No Subject
by C.Laffra 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, My records indicate that we exchanged email in the last three years. I sincerely apologize if this email is mis-directed. This is to inform you of my new address: Chris Laffra, Ph.D. Research Staff Member Java Tools Group Computer Science Department Research Division IBM T.J. Watson Research Center P.O. Box 704 Yorktown Heights, NY 10598 Tel: (914) 784 7525 Fax: (914) 784 6576 email: laffra(a)watson.ibm.com web: www.research.ibm.com/people/l/laffra (soon to be actived) email: laffra(a)aol.com web: members.aol.com/laffra Chris.

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Law Enforcement Types Summary
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

JUST A RECAP OF HOW OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM WORKS The LAPD, The FBI, and the CIA are all trying to prove that they are the best at apprehending criminals. The President decides to give them a test. He releases a rabbit into a forest and each of them has to catch it. The CIA goes in. They place animal informants throughout the forest. They question all plant and mineral witnesses. After three months of extensive investigations they conclude that rabbits do not exist. The FBI goes in. After two weeks with no leads they burn the forest, killing everything in it, including the rabbit, and make no apologies. The rabbit had it coming. The LAPD goes in. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear. The bear is yelling: "Okay! Okay! I'm a rabbit! I'm a rabbit! Case closed.

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blue, blue, 'lectric blue
by cypherpunks＠Algebra.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Blue Lister's Nuked! Blue Lister's Nuked! First round's on Ian. Second round we puked! http://nethomes.com/lectric

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privacy discussion on today's TOTN
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Doc Offerings
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We offer: A Federal Register notice today of an upcoming Technology Administration "Public Forum on Certificate Authorities and Digital Signatures": http://jya.com/ta060997.txt The recent Denver ruling of $350K damages against the IRS for disclosing confidential tax payer information: http://jya.com/wardvusa.htm (48K) NIST's latest package on the Key Recovery Demonstration Plan of a test run among 10 federal agencies, including a May 29 solicitation: http://jya.com/krdp.htm (37K) And, the quite instructive 1994 Department of Justice "Federal Guidelines for Searching and Seizing Computers": http://jya.com/doj-search.htm (376K)

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