December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Netly interviews Donna Rice-Hughes and Sen. Coats staffer
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <v03007812afda0e1988c9(a)[168.161.105.191]>, on 06/27/97 at 08:41 PM, Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> said: >[The day before the CDA decision came down, I interviewed David Crane >from Sen. "CDA II Real Soon Now" Coats' office and Noah interviewed Donna >Rice-Hughes. Recall Coats was the chief GOP sponsor of the original CDA. >Here are excerpts. --Declan] Hi Declan, What Noah forgot to ask: "Ms. Rice, considering your previous occupation as a two-bit whore during the '88 election why should the American public take anything you do seriously?" - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM7Rn1Y9Co1n+aLhhAQFONQQAmXFnvVB91lciCIYIGQv9y8fq+j5zwbz3 r+BE0Q0VpXc+APVpUxqbO5OEb0NRO6+epRgkXn09hInpXFiqnPegprh2otuEPsKP 4IeMOBullzkI1CvXWNBNDZ5Xd9Q9IGWX1Qax7Xi3Dou6UlFQ+3LI3/F2Vn/fqWZv seogXEJLtYY= =U+/2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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17 Dec '03

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mailing list
by CrShNDy＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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newsletter
by FMart62512＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: mailing list
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17 Dec '03

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Re: mailing list
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17 Dec '03

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**Important** Please Read
by Daragh Lawlor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear friend, This is a "ONE-TIME MESSAGE" you were randomly selected to received this. There is no need to reply to remove, you will receive no further mailings from us. If you have interest in this GREAT INFORMATION, please do not click reply, use the contact information in this message. Thank You! This is not a chain letter and you are not on a mailing list. The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY MINIMAL outlay and the income return is TREMENDOUS! <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> You are about to make at least $50,000 - In less than 90 days Read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!... <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. My name is Christopher Erickson. 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They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they worked or not. One claimed I'd make a million dollars in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it. But like I was saying, in December of '95 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further in debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. After determining that the program is LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT". Initially I sent out 10,000 emails. It only cost me about $15.00 for my time on-line. 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ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 19th, of my emailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember, it wont work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! REPORT #2 explains this. Always follow the guarantee, 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1, and 100 or more orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 20 to 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS !!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I'm sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and you are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Christopher Erickson PS Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! THREW IT AWAY" "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evansville, IN "NO FREE LUNCH" "My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. 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The .5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The .5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 five dollar bills for you. CASH!!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5000 + $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF ONLY 2,000. Believe me, many people will do that and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and email is FREE!!! REPORT#3 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing and purchasing email lists. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dream will come true. This multi-level email order marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME. Email is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW!! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using email. Get your piece of this action!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and The Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold throughout Multi-level Methods by the mid to late 1990's. This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the US, 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. INSTRUCTIONS We at Erris Mail Order Marketing Business, have a method of raising capital that REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use $50,000 to $125,000 in the next 20 to 90 days. Before you say "Bull", please read the program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what we do: As with all multi-level business, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME AND ARE FILLED THROUGH THE MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: Step (1) Order all four 4 REPORTS listed by NAME AND NUMBER. Do this by ordering the REPORT from each of the four 4 names listed on the next page. For each REPORT, send $5 CASH and a SELF- ADDRESSED, STAMPED envelope (BUSINESS SIZE #10) to the person listed for the SPECIFIC REPORT. International orders should also include $1 extra for postage. It is essential that you specify the NAME and NUMBER of the report requested to the person you are ordering from. You will need ALL FOUR 4 REPORTS because you will be REPRINTING and RESELLING them. DO NOT alter the names or sequence other than what the instructions say. IMPORTANT: Always provide same-day service on all orders. Step (2) Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with yours, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. Drop the name and address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3, moving the one that was there to REPORT #4. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is dropped from the list and this party is no doubt on the way to the bank. When doing this, make certain you type the names and addresses ACCURATELY! DO NOT MIX UP MOVING PRODUCT/REPORT POSITIONS!!! Step (3) Having made the required changes in the NAME list, save it as a text (.txt) file in it's own directory to be used with whatever email program you like. Again, REPORT #3 will tell you the best methods of bulk emailing and acquiring email lists. Step (4) Email a copy of the entire program (all of this is very important) to everyone whose address you can get your hands on. Start with friends and relatives since you can encourage them to take advantage of this fabulous money-making opportunity. That's what I did. And they love me now, more than ever. Then, email to anyone and everyone! Use your imagination! You can get email addresses from companies on the internet who specialize in email mailing lists. These are very cheap, 100,000 addresses for around $35.00. IMPORTANT: You won't get a good response if you use an old list, so always request a FRESH, NEW list. You will find out where to purchase these lists when you order the four 4 REPORTS. ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!!! REQUIRED REPORTS ***Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** ALWAYS SEND A SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE AND $5 CASH FOR EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY NAME AND NUMBER __________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: T.R. Enterprises 800 S. Pacific Coast Highway, #8-425 Redondo Beach, CA 90277 __________________________________________________ ____ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: J.K.Enterprises P. O. Box 10893 Blacksburg, VA 24060 __________________________________________________ ______ REPORT#3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: Hendon Enterprises P.O. Box 188 Seguin, TX __________________________________________________ _____ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: 78156Prosperity Group PO Box 968 Englewood, FL __________________________________________________ ______ CONCLUSION I am enjoying my fortune that I made by sending out this program. You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. To be financially independent is to be FREE. Free to make financial decisions as never before. Go into business, get into investments, retire or take a vacation. No longer will a lack of money hold you back. However, very few people reach financial independence, because when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it. It is much easier to say "NO" than "YES", and this is the question that you must answer. Will YOU ignore this amazing opportunity or will you take advantage of it? If you do nothing, you have indeed missed something and nothing will change. Please re-read this material, this is a special opportunity. If you have any questions, please feel free to write to the sender of this information. You will get a prompt and informative reply. My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5 that costs me pennies to produce and email. I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractive. You are offering a legitimate product to your people. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program. The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and Good Luck! "IT WAS TRULY AMAZING" "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before." Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred). 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! REMEMBER: "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE."

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details of 6/26 action on HR 695??
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello Washington watchers - Hey, what are the **details** ? Are these the same amendments from before, or new ones? Congressional Record: June 26, 1997 (House)] [Page H4834] >From the Congressional Record Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov] [DOCID:cr26jn97-74] REPORTED BILL SEQUENTIALLY REFERRED Under clause 5 of rule X, the following action was taken by the Speaker: H.R. 695. A bill to amend title 18, United States Code, to affirm the rights of U.S. persons to use and sell encryption and to relax export controls on encryption; with an amendment; referred to the Committees on Commerce, National Security, and the Permanent Select Committee on intelligence for a period ending not later than September 5, 1997, for consideration of such provisions of the bill and amendment reported by the Committee on the Judiciary as fall within the jurisdiction of those committees pursuant to clause 1(e) and (k), rule X and rule XLVIII, respectively.

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Re: Has your privacy been invaded? Protected? Both?
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:46 PM 6/30/97 -0400, you wrote: > >We hear a lot of steamy rhetoric about privacy and the information age, but >few real-world examples. I'm working on a story now for Time about just >this: what's happening to individual privacy today. I assmue you will protect the anonymity of any contributors even while sharing your generous payment with them! ;) > >Does the Net make us more exposed -- DejaNews and 411-type databases -- or >does it provide us with more privacy through tools like anonymous remailers >and pseudonymous identities? As a reader of cpunks the following should be obvious: the access to information from 411-etc. is simple and accessible to anyone who can type in a browser! On the other hand, remailers and nym servers are still solely the purview of propeller-heads. The remailer pages I have seen and tried to use are unreliable - and to use PGP remailers requires a level of PGP-ability that the average Joe won't invest in. Most people have Work to do, and cannot invest in the time to figure out how to use software. If we want to see pervasive use of privacy-preserving technologies then developers must realize this and develop for the Mass Market. PGP 5, PGPMail are certainly helpful and not enough. What I am concerned about is that in the absence of easy-to-use (that means no-effort-to-use) privacy software, the average Joe will rely on whatever is there for him: and in the limit this will mean whatever infrastructure the Powers-that-be want put in place for him, and not one that preserves his rights. (Forgive the gender bias: I'll switch now) There is no level of privacy afforded the average 'user' as simple to use as the intrusve technologies that are available to the snoop. >Can we trust the government to protect our >privacy when it works tirelessly to invade it? > Sometimes it is better to trust Government than it is to trust Big Business, although too often they converge onto identical tracks becuase of the ownership of Gov't *by* Big Business. I see two equally onerous invasions: One is the insistence of Government that the benefit of crypto to the Four Horsewomen of the Infocalypse (Porn, Drug Dealing, Money Laundering, and Terrorism), and the corresponding threat to society, is so large as to warrant registering everyone's secret-telling capability. The other is the intrusion by Business and Employers into the habits of consumers and workers. From click-tracking on the Web to the recently reported monitoring of every 7-11 manager's move at the POS terminal, Business is no friend of the People. That this is perhaps the more insidious threat is manifest by your not even mentioning it or including it in the question set. I fear Businesses who say "Government leave us alone because the Free Market knows what's best" and then proceed to invade and intrude in ways that are equally damaging to the privacy of the individual. The philosophy that if Business invades privacy it's OK, and if Government does so it's bad, is to say that 2+2=5. >Much has been written about this. What I'm looking for now are examples. >Have you used an anonymous remailer to cloak your identity, or been flamed >through one? Have you been denied a transaction at a store because you >refused to identify yourself? Have you hunted through databases to find >someone important? Has sensitive information about you turned up in one? > I have been fairly careful and very jealous of my privacy; and then my name and home address showed up on one of the name-search pages. I don't know if it's still there, and I don't remember the link. But then the Similac marketing Geniuses sent me something in the mail that even included the due date of my expected child! I consider that sensitive as hell, and it didn't occur via the Web. The problem is across the board. I use anonymizing tools when I need to, to protect what I consider "things" that are too sensitive for the Web. I have looked up past friends on the Web, and then not called because I felt it would be an intrusion into their life. I have found the ability to search for information on PUBLIC figures important and useful, looking for items related to their professional activities, and I think this is an important capability. The opportunity for People to make sure that the elected officials they elect and pay for, and the businesses that pave their towns and dump toxics into their yards, are behaving responsibly, is one of the few remaining possibilities for positive change. In the meantime, I'm wondering, as I wander off to renew my driver's license, why they want my social security number. And I still don't know how Similac figured out when my wife and I had sex. (C) Copyright 1997 by ..... oops! I don't want to include my name. >I'd appreciate hearing some stories... > >Thanks all, > >Declan > > >------------------------- >Declan McCullagh >Time Inc. >The Netly News Network >Washington Correspondent >http://netlynews.com/ > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 08:46 PM 6/30/97 -0400, you wrote: > >We hear a lot of steamy rhetoric about privacy and the information age, but >few real-world examples. I'm working on a story now for Time about just >this: what's happening to individual privacy today. I assmue you will protect the anonymity of any contributors even while sharing your generous payment with them! ;) > >Does the Net make us more exposed -- DejaNews and 411-type databases -- or >does it provide us with more privacy through tools like anonymous remailers >and pseudonymous identities? As a reader of cpunks the following should be obvious: the access to information from 411-etc. is simple and accessible to anyone who can type in a browser! On the other hand, remailers and nym servers are still solely the purview of propeller-heads. The remailer pages I have seen and tried to use are unreliable - and to use PGP remailers requires a level of PGP-ability that the average Joe won't invest in. Most people have Work to do, and cannot invest in the time to figure out how to use software. If we want to see pervasive use of privacy-preserving technologies then developers must realize this and develop for the Mass Market. PGP 5, PGPMail are certainly helpful and not enough. What I am concerned about is that in the absence of easy-to-use (that means no-effort-to-use) privacy software, the average Joe will rely on whatever is there for him: and in the limit this will mean whatever infrastructure the Powers-that-be want put in place for him, and not one that preserves his rights. (Forgive the gender bias: I'll switch now) There is no level of privacy afforded the average 'user' as simple to use as the intrusve technologies that are available to the snoop. >Can we trust the government to protect our >privacy when it works tirelessly to invade it? > Sometimes it is better to trust Government than it is to trust Big Business, although too often they converge onto identical tracks becuase of the ownership of Gov't *by* Big Business. I see two equally onerous invasions: One is the insistence of Government that the benefit of crypto to the Four Horsewomen of the Infocalypse (Porn, Drug Dealing, Money Laundering, and Terrorism), and the corresponding threat to society, is so large as to warrant registering everyone's secret-telling capability. The other is the intrusion by Business and Employers into the habits of consumers and workers. From click-tracking on the Web to the recently reported monitoring of every 7-11 manager's move at the POS terminal, Business is no friend of the People. That this is perhaps the more insidious threat is manifest by your not even mentioning it or including it in the question set. I fear Businesses who say "Government leave us alone because the Free Market knows what's best" and then proceed to invade and intrude in ways that are equally damaging to the privacy of the individual. The philosophy that if Business invades privacy it's OK, and if Government does so it's bad, is to say that 2+2=5. >Much has been written about this. What I'm looking for now are examples. >Have you used an anonymous remailer to cloak your identity, or been flamed >through one? Have you been denied a transaction at a store because you >refused to identify yourself? Have you hunted through databases to find >someone important? Has sensitive information about you turned up in one? > I have been fairly careful and very jealous of my privacy; and then my name and home address showed up on one of the name-search pages. I don't know if it's still there, and I don't remember the link. But then the Similac marketing Geniuses sent me something in the mail that even included the due date of my expected child! I consider that sensitive as hell, and it didn't occur via the Web. The problem is across the board. I use anonymizing tools when I need to, to protect what I consider "things" that are too sensitive for the Web. I have looked up past friends on the Web, and then not called because I felt it would be an intrusion into their life. I have found the ability to search for information on PUBLIC figures important and useful, looking for items related to their professional activities, and I think this is an important capability. The opportunity for People to make sure that the elected officials they elect and pay for, and the businesses that pave their towns and dump toxics into their yards, are behaving responsibly, is one of the few remaining possibilities for positive change. In the meantime, I'm wondering, as I wander off to renew my driver's license, why they want my social security number. And I still don't know how Similac figured out when my wife and I had sex. (C) Copyright 1997 by ..... oops! I don't want to include my name. >I'd appreciate hearing some stories... > >Thanks all, > >Declan > > >------------------------- >Declan McCullagh >Time Inc. >The Netly News Network >Washington Correspondent >http://netlynews.com/ > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAwUBM7k0MjdEnrLKVNqJAQFijwf+M6Qq28YiBmfmxaMePf9QvZdSkHB2e51b 0XWX9n7CAcZVrK4YzcKfeII6Z4Z25BEK0Ddb0DdYJJWcWRKxe4pcYtr9Bb9/zMDf ii9PMquE7S/UXZGWqUgHsKx4BENwFYA9s4UF7ZWLLaD/A5ekL7kIAVFrd/52YFWO iycsGU3sdFw7xbzjCHHYUPwz51S6ger7c4YzNtlMVRKL4j0IiSLbWQ977Udp0vCj 4twqTu0l56GvkYMaybq3CHtU72bBY/6ckrqO8nmcMpZW1W2E5fKLhWsRLk2hepq1 wl7jTcU3HGvZH6ccgAfl8UtUxsyBTXL4S90dc0EsVE8XJBirTSNkUQ== =QJUu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Let's Link
by grant＠letzlink.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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