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If you build it, they will con, from the Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:37:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: If you build it, they will con, from the Netly News ************ http://pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1168,00.html The Netly News (http://netlynews.com) July 15, 1997 If You Build It, They Will Con by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Perhaps the thinking behind DefCon went something like this: Lure hundreds of hackers to Las Vegas in the middle of the summer, ply them with cheap beer, talk about packet sniffing, and observe. Last year the result was self-organizing chaos, capped by an event where the hired strippers were upstaged by a band of exhibitionist conferencegoers. "The pimp was like, 'Oh my God,'" says Dark Tangent, DefCon's organizer. Last weekend's fifth annual DefCon may have been a little less raucous, but it was no less important as a place where hackers from around the world gather to socialize, gamble -- and glance around furtively trying to spot the government agents who infiltrate the convention. (Bonus: If you guess correctly, you can take a prized "I Spotted the Fed" T-shirt home with you.) [...]

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Australia's restricted Walsh crypto-report attracts interest
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:52:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship-announce(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Australia's restricted Walsh crypto-report attracts interest The report's at: http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Crypto/Walsh/ Also, I understand from participants in the Canberra meeting that U.S. performance there was lackluster at best. -Declan ********* http://www.australian.aust.com/computer/fulltext/c0715d.htm Censored report on the Web By STEVE CREEDY July 15: The encryption report the Federal Government did not want Australians to read is already attracting overseas interest after just one week on the Web. A censored version of the Walsh Report on cryptography was obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and has been posted online by Electronic Frontiers Australia. The report, originally slated to be published earlier this year, had been withheld by federal Attorney-General Daryl Williams. EFA officials, worried the Government would formulate an encryption policy without debate, posted the report. The move came as international experts met in Canberra last week for closed-door discussions on cryptography. The report advises against major legislation to safeguard security and law enforcement interests. It proposes "minor legislative and other actions", including updating existing telecommunications and search laws, as well as a more co-ordinated approach by government to cryptography. It does not support US proposals for tackling the issues, including law to require decoding keys be stored with the Government. EFA cryptography committee chairman Greg Taylor said overseas interest was particularly strong from the US where there has been a long-standing debate on how to balance privacy, police and security issues when legislating on encrypted communications. Concern in Australia focused on whether the Government would present a cryptography policy without debate. "We're trying to make sure there is debate about all the issues and submissions from interested parties  commercial, government and private interests," he said. But a spokesman for the Attorney-General said on Sunday the Government was formulating a policy and that there was scope for public input. "There will be, as a matter of course, some sort of announcement," he said. "That allows people to have input." The move to post the report was welcomed by its author, former ASIO deputy director-general Gerard Walsh, who said his work was for debate and he did not know why it had been withheld by the Attorney-General, who had cited "security issues". The spokesman said the document "was not suitable for discussion for the development of policy in the encryption area and, therefore, was not suitable for public release". However, Mr Walsh said he wrote two versions, one for public consumption and one that was "mildly classified". "Because there was going to be a public version, I did speak with interested parties and invited them to have a look and comment on the report in draft form," he said. "As I left it and as I understood it, all were content with it going public but someone must have had a change of heart." The version posted by EFA is the one intended for public discussion with an estimated 20 to 25 paragraphs deleted. Mr Taylor said it was posted with government permission. "The Attorney-General's [department] said they couldn't do much about it anyway," he said. The censored paragraphs fell under sections of the FOI Act relating to internal working documents, law enforcement issues and issues of national security. He did not know what was contained in the deleted paragraphs. Mr Taylor said Mr Walsh found the situation "quite laughable". The Walsh report was probably one of the first balanced reviews of the cryptography issue. "All existing reports are either prepared by government and come down heavily on one side, or they're prepared by groups that basically look at privacy," he said. "This one looks at all issues and as result of analysing them appears to state the whole concept of key escrow is doomed to failure." Mr Walsh concluded government should not commit to a particular solution because the problem itself "will continue to change". US attempts to regulate encryption  including the clipper chip, key escrow and key management  were "public relations and practical disasters". Blanket bans that limited access to services and equipment to achieve access for law enforcement agencies were not in the national interest. "I agree there is a law enforcement required access, but the way in which you achieved it was not to belt the little hazelnut with an almighty steam press that diminished everyone's freedom," he said. "Rather, the direction in which I wanted to push things was to say: 'It would be better to slightly stiffen, strengthen and make more relevant those somewhat anachronistic investigative powers that already exist'." ###

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Cryptography Seminars and Confrences
by Shane_Nifong＠stratus.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Does anyone know of a web address or some other means of looking up conferences or seminars on the subject of cryptography? If there is no site or reference, does anyone know of any upcoming around the Atlanta, GA area? - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 mQGiBDOyqgIRBADOxGFTI0u9uOpuxlQMKOQhMfGWyaWTq4jVKike8o1NbcdUWPiZ VuAB//bOrdIp8Uh4d+DnuuQNarb81sQ77T4eRRCGMF0x0o0buvRFihi5zRaPQJQK a9d6der4P/eemvDcSVFGx0jmnTSbsJezfaNDi4TbpX4w26MTIcOFKSCu+wCg/629 JqamXY8t9TlNYUdGmAssQOkEAJcmemkPPOo6HTi1JL439xMTCRdxk2lpgp1Qv+Z+ OP8ZIBCGJDHk78aDLIcZRYlTSFGeCEJHKATAG2ANcP/Hqb8NX7tzEDV6nL/UNgRe xzjBdQRZ0zzrhbEKbvrXc+z9gNQ1NrkdPs6m/FfC7ZHtJPI9I74lP1nh2hFHLNlJ kW/3A/0TQOJsEWgzZZFMtvsIDyRZBsDNf4Fr3mng7uNU7xZ2fPjXJ8YKOTQh420r /xTcq5GcNF7gm56mD0sphNUQuuLdFSYVp4A70NhcxKy8pPWNp8p6VpRj46x6Vc3A g9dVKlJ6RsbNFjK+mXDkrs//WtYTw1F6inQqP1c65B98glgS2rQnU2hhbmUgTmlm b25nIDxTaGFuZV9OaWZvbmdAc3RyYXR1cy5jb20+iQBLBBARAgALBQIzsqoCBAsD AQIACgkQKKMd9CaIV/QkaQCfbDxgT/AMGAKnoF/ANN8tnXQd+wUAoO797ssxnfUO DsyHelpAu9ytuAymtCtTaGFuZSBOaWZvbmcgPHNuaWZvbmdAcGlnc2V5ZS5rZW5u ZXNhdy5lZHU+iQBLBBARAgALBQIzs9uPBAsDAQIACgkQKKMd9CaIV/SZ+wCeI3Ad br9hsXFT11cfcbtSRNOI5QwAoMPaPS6z9pf3fADujX8s7ETq+td7uQQNBDOyqgQQ EAD5GKB+WgZhekOQldwFbIeG7GHszUUfDtjgo3nGydx6C6zkP+NGlLYwSlPXfAIW SIC1FeUpmamfB3TT/+OhxZYgTphluNgN7hBdq7YXHFHYUMoiV0MpvpXoVis4eFwL 2/hMTdXjqkbM+84X6CqdFGHjhKlP0YOEqHm274+nQ0YIxswdd1ckOErixPDojhNn l06SE2H22+slDhf99pj3yHx5sHIdOHX79sFzxIMRJitDYMPj6NYK/aEoJguuqa6z ZQ+iAFMBoHzWq6MSHvoPKs4fdIRPyvMX86RA6dfSd7ZCLQI2wSbLaF6dfJgJCo1+ Le3kXXn11JJPmxiO/CqnS3wy9kJXtwh/CBdyorrWqULzBej5UxE5T7bxbrlLOCDa AadWoxTpj0BV89AHxstDqZSt90xkhkn4DIO9ZekX1KHTUPj1WV/cdlJPPT2N286Z 4VeSWc39uK50T8X8dryDxUcwYc58yWb/Ffm7/ZFexwGq01uejaClcjrUGvC/RgBY K+X0iP1YTknbzSC0neSRBzZrM2w4DUUdD3yIsxx8Wy2O9vPJI8BD8KVbGI2Ou1WM uF040zT9fBdXQ6MdGGzeMyEstSr/POGxKUAYEY18hKcKctaGxAMZyAcpesqVDNmW n6vQClCbAkbTCD1mpF1Bn5x8vYlLIhkmuquiXsNV6z3WFwACAg/+LE4sYUeOAhaQ idjUAZPoMjiQawMb9B2fuoT7lIAuEfUSH4iKkhLgLxq8ggMb68+52FtDtd4LizPy bqIRInBrEF28sDsrV+J9B7PexQKsTutGMpsA4V/8dBdq0vjXQYDIjMrgCRnU8Yaq xNXbGe7RcPJ1A74MHLF1Qz+n6iJeFPhmKaWhSbs2ndPpyZebWlzBZPOO3TDS8pD2 c+IjhEKg3NJR7lvJghhiODFhPXOdQHAwroyCwRR1vS4mSC68xX0Vewhv+AM0p1FO nRgI6LSRW7280Z+Z5zEx6qXkToFbLcTCh+9F9k4brKSA9AkANI3vtIucXW04GVkK 97kzkITJh6YavaIv01vs6JalR17vz2w0xxSqIaigbs6fG1wwJzxiuB0wBD53n99+ wmYotIUmcXRgcFIDWU6tFVUPUgMehdkY/1OHsRPWKaK1MtFF8GGCncRdSyPvOMUw rjRNx6a/+qOEorJuhOQMH7Zvk78YJNMil2GSSeA1z9tYg/dfngXNTI22u5nwaVxJ KnXVJSaNcBMstr4SLeMyfd/5GC5qity1UvpAxnesIkBx7sXWGmOvB1Lz/twUctBI IogfOceYrryTPGg00VyIzNbYPpoGeSmME5dSXx2IiC9/rXs6dVGvIRvvwQZqn4Lz X/bMNbPzKckly/yxndkYfJna+BsQuSWJAD8DBRgzsqoEKKMd9CaIV/QRAnKsAKC7 JWMUr2VKU/6U1g0dcsZABdbfJACgkE0oQEpHeSNGkJh45pvFCwShwVw= =6fR/ - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK--- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBM8ugcKxZ8xbjyDtBEQIzLgCcDQdiNF7dglWSH7DvgXdRKSG4De4An2sE n0CwLkJSuJwtK8Pugm2loS9l =EyYI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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17 Dec '03

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The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

****************** http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1173,00.html The Netly News Network (http://netlynews.com) July 16, 1997 The Censorware Summit by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) SurfWatch's Jay Friedland still blushes when asked why his program once blocked part of the White House web site. Named "couples," the offending page triggered the hypersensitive software's dirty-word filter -- and amply illustrated the problems accompanying so-called "smut blocking" technology. Today, Friedland and more than a score of industry and nonprofit groups are visiting the White House to promote technical means of stopping Junior from visiting playboy.com. President Clinton is expected to endorse such measures over attempts to revive broad criminal laws like the ill-fated Communications Decency Act, which he supported. But this new approach suffers from all sorts of problems. For one, how do you winnow out material that's inappropriate for kids while avoiding embarassing missteps like the "couples" debacle? Certainly Friedland's firm can't hope to review the millions of web pages already online. Already spooked by a promised CDA II, the industry has offered an answer. High tech firms, taking a hint from the broadcasters, are seriously backing Internet rating systems for the first time. For instance, Netscape today will promise to join Microsoft and include the PICS ratings framework in the next version of its browser. Search engines such as Yahoo and Excite will announce they're supporting PICS to refine and limit searches, sources say. IBM will unveil a $100,000 grant to RSACi, a PICS-based rating standard originally designed for video games but adapted for the Web. The industry giant will also pledge to incorporate RSACi into future products. RSACi, which has been plagued by a number of serious flaws, works like this: You connect to its site and fill out a form self-rating your site for nudity, sex, violence and foul language. Then you take that tag, which might read something like "(n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0)" -- if your site is innocuous -- and slap it on your web page. But RSACi wasn't designed to classify news web sites. It's a video game rating system, and its coarse, clumsy categories -- from "creatures injured" to "wanton and gratuitous violence" -- are better suited to shrink-wrapped boxes of Doom than to the archives of msnbc.com. To comply with the system, MSNBC editors would need to review and rate each story -- which is why the site stopped using RSACi, The Netly News reported in March. Stephen Balkam, the head of RSACi, now says he has a solution. He calls it RSACnews and says that legitimate news sites can use it to rate just their home pages without having to review each article. Now, what's a legitimate news site? The Netly News might qualify, but what about the NAMBLA News Journal? "People who generate firsthand reports that have been in some ways verified or structured in a way that gives clear and objective information as possible about events," Balkam says. "We will be working with the news industry to help us develop a criteria." (This, presumably, means groups that have signed on as supporters, including MSNBC, the Wall Street Journal, the Well, CNET and Ziff-Davis. I'm told that the White House wants to qualify as a "news site" -- even though the information there is rarely clear and certainly not objective.) Not surprisingly, civil libertarians are screaming bloody murder. They do have a point. After all, netizens are fresh from a stunning Supreme Court victory that firmly established that the Net should enjoy the same First Amendment protections as print publications. Since magazines aren't forced to sport warning labels, why should the White House pressure online publications to do the same? And, more importantly, why should the industry give in instead of standing on principle and resisting all attempts by the federal government to muzzle online speech? "Some businesses who make their money from people on the Net appear far too eager to ignore the massive First Amendment protection the CDA decision gave cyberspeech -- and even more eager to adopt and impose on all of us the potential sinews of censorship: PICS and RSACi," says Don Haines, legislative counsel at the ACLU. (This critical attitude may have been what spurred the White House to disinvite the ACLU from today's summit, then hurriedly re-invite them after the ACLU put out a press release.) Of course, today's White House summit plays against the backdrop of a threat from a CDA II. Some members of Congress, such as Sen. Dan Coats (R-Ind.) have pledged to try again with more legislation. Yet others seem more willing to compromise. "The Supreme Court has shot down the option that I worked hard on," says Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), a staunch CDA supporter who will be at today's summit. "They said we can't go that route. I'm certainly interested in developing other options. I want to put the burden on pornographers. One of the ways to do that is to have Congress pass legislation that would make it difficult for people to misrate their web site." Rep. Goodlatte is one of a half-dozen congresspeople who will attend the noontime meeting, along with oppositional CDA forces such as the American Library Association and the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Together they will witness the unveiling of netparents.org, a joint effort of the Center for Democracy and Technology and the Voters Telecommunications Watch. The site allows parents to "find some family-friendly" censorware-enabled service providers in their area. A handy tool that we suspect will be used not only to find ISPs that provide blocking tools, but to find the ones that don't. ###

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Gee, *this* sounds familiar... (Was Re: ICONOCAST 15-Jul-97)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:40:50 -0400 From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Gee, *this* sounds familiar... (Was Re: ICONOCAST 15-Jul-97) Microsoft and Cisco have discovered Micromoney Mitochondria, it seems... Wanna bet the "physicist" is probably Mhyrvold? Too bad they don't understand the distinction between book-entries and bearer certificates... Cheers, Bob Hettinga At 11:31 am -0400 on 7/15/97, Michael Tchong wrote: > I C O N O C A S T b y M i c h a e l T c h o n g > -- more concentrated than the leading brand -- > 15-Jul-97 <snip> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > THE JACOBYTE >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The French will never forget la Bastille. But Netizens seem > to have forgotten Jaco. To prevent Jaco from breaking a long > streak of insouciance and going on strike, French-style, > send a juicy "petit truc" to jaco(a)iconocast.com. <snip> > <*> The Jacobyte also received a hot tip from a physicist. > You know the type who does 20 quantum-mechanics push ups > before breakfast. What caught the eye of this keen observer > was the Microsoft-Cisco announcement. How's this for a > scenario: Bill gets his software into all Cisco routers, > then proposes a modification to the Internet packet format. > > All packets must now have a credit-card number in the > header, so Microsoft can charge a packet switch fee at > each router! Talk about 'transaction pricing.' A typical > e-mail is broken into several packets and each one makes > 10-15 hops. Let's do the arithmetic for a typical day: > 100 billion packets times 10 hops per packet times $0.001 > router fee at each hop equals $1 billion *per day*. > > That's not chump change...even for the $36-billion man! ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ ---------- The e$ lists are brought to you by: Intertrader Ltd: "Digital Money Online" <http://www.intertrader.com/library/DigitalMoneyOnline> Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk Like e$? Help pay for it! <http://www.shipwright.com/beg.html> For e$/e$pam sponsorship, mail Bob: <mailto:rah@shipwright.com> Thanks to the e$ e$lves: Of Counsel: Vinnie Moscaritolo <mailto:vinnie@webstuff.apple.com> (Majordomo)^2: Rachel Willmer<mailto:rachel@intertrader.com> Commermeister: Anthony Templer <mailto:anthony@atanda.com> Interturge: Rodney Thayer <mailto:rodney@sabletech.com> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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C2Net Software's Stronghold Web Server Adds nCipher Hardware Encryption Support
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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"Like Stronghold, the nFast accelerator is manufactured outside of the U.S., enabling us to off er our world-wide customers a simple, platform-independent way to speed up s ecure web server throughput," said C2Net Software president Sameer Parekh. "Man y will find that Stronghold's terrific out-of-the-box performance is more t han enough for their needs. If not, adding one or more nFast units is a fast, simple way to increase encryption performance as required." "nCipher's nFast cryptographic accelerators enhance e-commerce and on line transactions by speeding up the processing of crypto keys," said Alex van Someren, president of nCipher. "Using nFast together with the Stronghold web server gives customers throughout the world a quickly-scalable environmen t for conducting secure business on the Internet." nCipher's nFast cryptographic accelerator interfaces via a standard S CSI2 interface, making it compatible with virtually any computer platform, and mounts within the space of a standard 3.5-inch disk drive bay. Each nFast accelerator can carry out approximately three hundred 1024-bit public key signings per second. The Stronghold Web Server is an enhanced, secure, commercial version of the popular Apache server. Based on figures in a Netcraft survey (http://www.netcraft.com/survey/) Stronghold is the second most popular commercial server for UNIX and the second most popular for secure applica tions on the Internet. nCipher Corporation Ltd. 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Re: CCTV Cameras in Britain
by Damaged Justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- forwarded message -- Path: wmich-news!gumby!newspump.wustl.edu!fas-news.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news-out.internetmci.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!computer-privacy-request From: David Alexander <davea(a)caplin.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy Subject: Re: CCTV Cameras in Britain Date: 14 Jul 1997 16:05:55 GMT Organization: Computer Privacy Digest Lines: 71 Sender: comp-privacy(a)uwm.edu Approved: comp-privacy(a)uwm.edu Message-ID: <comp-privacy11.3.12(a)cs.uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.6 X-Original-Submission-Date: 10 Jul 1997 11:33:18 +0100 X-Submissions-To: comp-privacy(a)uwm.edu X-Administrivia-To: comp-privacy-request(a)uwm.edu X-Computer-Privacy-Digest: Volume 11, Issue 003, Message 12 of 16 X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP comp.society.privacy iQBFAwUBM8oxCjNf3+97dK2NAQF46gF/RZ6tN/V6TQwOCyyAzJeCTngaqMu4IW9h Wm81iJFNAWYI59zJGoRVjd+b9u3TefKX =im9q Originator: levine(a)blatz.cs.uwm.edu Xref: wmich-news comp.society.privacy:424 I read with interest the comments about CCTV cameras that were in the last 2 mailings. I note that Steve does not live in the UK, and I would like to present a residents' view of these cameras. Privacy International says that in Britain, there are an estimated 300,000 CCTV surveillance cameras in public areas, housing estates, car parks, public facilities, phone booths, vending machines, buses, trains, taxis, alongside motorways and inside Automatic Teller (ATM) Machines. Originally installed to deter burglary, assault and car [...] Do we try to protect Democratic freedoms by legislating safeguards against the abuse of private data? Must we accept that the mightiest individuals and institutions cannot be held accountable, and there is no use in trying? Or do we simply acquiesce, and accept that privacy is an outdated concept when cheap technology makes everyone vulnerable, wolves and lambs alike? The choices are not easy, but in the words of David Brin, "asking questions can be a good first step". Yes, there are many cameras, and more going up all the time. The vast majority of the population is glad that these cameras are being introduced. Ordinary crime has been reduced greatly in those areas (proven fact) where the cameras are in use. We also have a big problem with Terrorism by the Provisional IRA over here, and the same cameras have been instrumental in the foiling of numerous terrorist operations and capture of those responsible for others (we have had 3 bombs detonated in England larger than the one at Oklahoma in the last 3 years). A very popular and effective program on UK TV is called 'Crimewatch' where video footage, from these cameras, of crimes and suspects is shown not for sensationalism and ratings but in order to ask for help identifying the perpetrators. It is very effective and crimes featured have a very high clear-up rate. One of the instruments needed to thwart such surveillence is the adoption of 'masks' which are socially acceptable for public use. Ideally they should all look alike, sort of something out of The Prisoner. Once a certain threshold of adoption has been passed the only option for law enforcement will be to remove the offending devices or declare maks illegal for public use (a real stretch for civil liberties). Yeah, right, get real. The only reason you might want to avoid being identified is if you have something to hide. Wearing a mask is only going to draw attention to you, and if you think everyone is suddenly going to start wearing masks...like I said in paragarph one, most people over here welcome the cameras. Please don't misinterpret my motives. I would be the first to celebrate if no threat to privacy existed. Unfortunately there are immoral, irresponsible and downright antisocial (not to mention the psychologically unsound) people who will not abide by the law, or to what we regard as social norms and persist in infringing our rights. As long as those people exist, and no better way of deterring and tracking them down after the (often tragic) offence has been committed, then we need such laws and technology. I would feel very ashamed if my attempts to protect my rights caused the death of innocent people because security against those who are irresponsible had to be drastically cut back. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Alexander AIX Support Professional V3 & V4, SP Certified Technical Manager Caplin Cybernetics Corporation E-mail: davea(a)caplin.com Windmill Business Village Tel: 01932 778172 Brooklands Close, Sunbury-on-Thames Fax: 01932 779606 Middlesex TW16 7DY, England ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- end of forwarded message --

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White House swaps stand and decides to invite ACLU after all
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: White House swaps stand and decides to invite ACLU after all [Two hours after the ACLU issued this press release and journalists started to call, the White House reversed its stand. Now it says the ACLU is permitted to come to the meeting tomorrow after all. --Declan] *********** White House Excludes ACLU and Others From Summit Meeting on Internet Censorship FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 Contact: Emily Whitfield, (212) 549-2566 WASHINGTON -- Contrary to earlier Administration statements, the White House has failed to invite the American Civil Liberties Union and other leading civil liberties organizations to its high-level conference on Internet censorship. "With this last-minute shift, the Administration has set an unfortunate beginning to this important process," said Donald Haines, ACLU Legislative Counsel for the Washington National Office. "Just as the ACLU continues to work with members of Congress as they shape national policy regarding the Internet," Haines said, "we were most interested in working with President Clinton and Vice President Gore on finding strategies to empower parents to help their children use the Internet wisely." The conference, set to take place on Wednesday, July 17, includes representatives from Internet giants Microsoft, America Online and Prodigy and executives from filtering software companies, as well as the Internet censorship group Enough is Enough. The American Library Association, a defender of online free speech, was invited, but the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a Washington, D.C.-based cyber-liberties group, was excluded along with the ACLU. "The Administration's failure to open this process to all interested parties is short-sighted and could ultimately lead to another expensive legal battle," Haines added. Tomorrow's meeting on Internet censorship comes in the wake of a landmark Supreme Court decision late last month striking down censorship provisions of the Communications Decency Act as unconstitutional. The ACLU filed a lawsuit challenging the CDA on behalf of 20 organizations and individuals, the day after President Clinton signed the law. Several weeks later, a second group of plaintiffs filed another challenge, American Library Association v. Department of Justice. The two challenges were consolidated into ACLU v. Reno by a federal district curt in Philadelphia, which ultimately ruled that the law was unconstitutional. The government appealed that ruling and the case moved up to the Supreme Court. Writing for a nearly unanimous Court in Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, Justice John Paul Stevens said that "the interest in encouraging freedom of expression in a democratic society outweighs any theoretical but unproven benefit of censorship." Commenting on the law's purported aim to protect minors from so-called indecency, Justice Stevens noted that "Under the CDA, a parent allowing her 17-year-old to use the family computer to obtain information on the Internet that she, in her parental judgment, deems appropriate, could face a lengthy prison term." "The Court's decision was clearly written to protect individual online users," said the ACLU's Haines. "They, not industry giants, are the people the ACLU represents, and they are the people who are being denied a voice in this meeting." -endit-

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