December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative by Rebecca Vesely 3:06pm 11.Jul.97.PDT Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. "We are not wedded entirely to key r
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/5133.html McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative by Rebecca Vesely 3:06pm 11.Jul.97.PDT Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. "We are not wedded entirely to key recovery," the Arizona Republican said in an interview. McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee, and Senator Bob Kerrey (D-Nebraska) introduced the Secure Public Networks Act last month. Privacy advocates and much of the high-tech industry oppose domestic key recovery on grounds that it would violate civil rights and be impractical and expensive to build and manage. McCain said he met with Microsoft representatives recently to discuss a new technology being developed by the software giant that could be less intrusive and problematic than key recovery. The senator also said he plans to meet with Netscape officials next week to discuss yet another alternative. Officials from Netscape were not immediately available for comment. "I'm saying, OK, if you have another solution, I'd like to hear it," McCain said, though he stressed that protecting national security remains his "first obligation." The McCain-Kerrey bill includes provisions for setting up a voluntary domestic key recovery system, including incentives for those who participate. Critics say participation in the key-management infrastructure wouldn't really be voluntary - it would be a prerequisite to conducting electronic commerce. Encryption, or data-scrambling technology, is widely viewed as the cornerstone to e-commerce because it conceals credit card numbers and other personal information traveling over networks. Key recovery, as outlined in the bill, would create a system of certificate authorities to whom users would give a copy of their data keys. Law enforcement could then access that copy of your key through a court order. McCain's flexibility on the issue could influence the debate over how to protect national security while allowing a free market to flourish in the digital age. Just two days ago, at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the bill, FBI director Louis Freeh testified on the need for mandatory domestic key recovery, and some senators on the committee, notably the chairman, Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), seemed to agree that some sort of domestic key recovery is needed to allow law enforcement to wiretap suspect digital communications and transactions.

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McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative
by Alan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lets try that again... http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/5133.html McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative by Rebecca Vesely 3:06pm 11.Jul.97.PDT Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. "We are not wedded entirely to key recovery," the Arizona Republican said in an interview. McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee, and Senator Bob Kerrey (D-Nebraska) introduced the Secure Public Networks Act last month. Privacy advocates and much of the high-tech industry oppose domestic key recovery on grounds that it would violate civil rights and be impractical and expensive to build and manage. McCain said he met with Microsoft representatives recently to discuss a new technology being developed by the software giant that could be less intrusive and problematic than key recovery. The senator also said he plans to meet with Netscape officials next week to discuss yet another alternative. Officials from Netscape were not immediately available for comment. "I'm saying, OK, if you have another solution, I'd like to hear it," McCain said, though he stressed that protecting national security remains his "first obligation." The McCain-Kerrey bill includes provisions for setting up a voluntary domestic key recovery system, including incentives for those who participate. Critics say participation in the key-management infrastructure wouldn't really be voluntary - it would be a prerequisite to conducting electronic commerce. Encryption, or data-scrambling technology, is widely viewed as the cornerstone to e-commerce because it conceals credit card numbers and other personal information traveling over networks. Key recovery, as outlined in the bill, would create a system of certificate authorities to whom users would give a copy of their data keys. Law enforcement could then access that copy of your key through a court order. McCain's flexibility on the issue could influence the debate over how to protect national security while allowing a free market to flourish in the digital age. Just two days ago, at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the bill, FBI director Louis Freeh testified on the need for mandatory domestic key recovery, and some senators on the committee, notably the chairman, Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), seemed to agree that some sort of domestic key recovery is needed to allow law enforcement to wiretap suspect digital communications and transactions.

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Re: Microsoft and Netscape to Provide McCain with Options?
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mostly I'd like to know what the proposals by these loft captains of industry ARE. At 06:15 PM 7/12/97 -0700, Tom Weinstein wrote: > >Alan wrote: >> >> On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote: >> >>> At 5:26 PM -0700 7/11/97, Alan Olsen wrote: >> >>>> McCain said he met with Microsoft representatives recently to >>>> discuss a new technology being developed by the software giant that >>>> could be less intrusive and problematic than key recovery. The >>>> senator also said he plans to meet with Netscape officials next week >>>> to discuss yet another alternative. >>> >>> This is something we should watch _very_ closely! >> >> I agree. The article seemed to imply that both Microsoft and Netscape >> were falling all over each other trying to come up with gak-like >> alternatives to key recovery. I wonder what Tom Weinstien can tell us >> about that... (He has been a bit quiet lately... Too quiet.) > >When I'm quiet, it's probably because I'm busy. It's certainly not >because I was spirited off to Fort Meade by the black helicopters for >brain washing. > >Let's look at this another way. Given the opportunity to discuss your >views with a senator, whouldn't you take it? Even if there's very >little chance of changing his mind? > >We aren't going to suddenly do an about face and start saying that GAK >is good. Even if anyone here believed that, there's no way that we'd be >able to sell it to our overseas customers. > >-- >What is appropriate for the master is not appropriate| Tom Weinstein >for the novice. You must understand Tao before | tomw(a)netscape.com >transcending structure. -- The Tao of Programming | > > >

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Re: The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts"
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An anonymous message dated: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:46:32 +0200 (MET DST), and signed with the initials KC, wrote: >In any case, it is not true that my intent is to "disrupt the group", >and it is hard to see how my few, offhand posts on the topic of the >tobacco agreement could be seen as anything remotely approaching a >deliberate campaign. I think you are attributing me far more potency >than is warranted. I try not to contemplate your impotence too often, Kent. >KC Damn. Kent's figured out anonymous remailers. I read this message because it came from anonymous--Kent's in my killfile. Know what this means? Anonymous remailers have more reputation capital than Kent. ReputationMunger

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Re: FYI: NSA Requests Source Code From Elvis+
by Stone Monkey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <9707071618.AA63188(a)public.uni-hamburg.de> Ulf Mueller writes: >> The National Security Agency has asked Sun Microsystems Inc. and Elvis+, >> the Russian networking company in which Sun has a 10 percent stake, to >> turn over the source code of its SunScreen SKIP E+. > >Why should the US government get access to the source code of foreign >product being imported to the US? To me the announcement implied that the NSA wanted to compare Sun's and Elvis+'s implementations, to verify that they are actually different. To check that Sun didn't simply smuggle the code out and launder it through Elvis+. They're not looking at imports (why would Elvis+'s code be imported? It's already available domestically from Sun), they're looking at Sun's well-publicised end-run around the crypto chilling effect, to see if Sun perhaps cut any corners. But it's more fun to rant about the paranoid thrashings of a government bogeyman than it is to attempt to understand the actions of the NSA, which is not staffed by stupid people.

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17 Dec '03

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by buyguy222＠erols.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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