December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

McVeigh
by bennett_t1＠popmail.firn.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. This is a sad day for all anti-government haters.

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We have our exits, and our entrances...
by Lee Harvey McVeigh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

...and one man, in his time, plays many parts. To all my fans, I would like to thank you all for your support of our off-Broadway production, even though it looks like we will be closing the show after a short, eight-week run. Please don't shed any tears over the quick closing of the show, as the production was put in the hands of the government from the very start with this end in mind. I would like to address the criticism of the actors who played my defense team in the show by pointing out that their role was essentially that of bit-players in the production, not that of supporting actors as is usually the case in a production of this magnitude. This misunder- standing has led to their being criticized for their low-key presence when that is actually the role they were hired to play. There are also those who have heavily critqued the story-line of the production as being unrealistic and I will address that issue. The actual event which caused the OKC tragedy was so bizarre that the scriptwriters considered it too unbelievable to be dealt with in the final script. What happened was that a low-level government worker was doing an inventory and accidentally opened the box containing the magic bullet that killed JFK and wounded Gov. Connally. The bullet got loose and destroyed the OKC Federal Building. The script writers determined that a much more believable story was that I single-handedly performed the bombing on a day when all of the BATF agents just happened to be out of the building. (It's true. They were all in a bar down the street, working on the trial script.) I hope that you will all support me in my next role, in which I will actually play the leading role, this time, and which we tentatively plan to name, "Ernest Discovers Electricity." Lee Harvey McVeigh (.sig line left in by mistake) -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/ "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld "The Final Frontier" http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/

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From Inter@ctive Week: Denning no longer backing key escrow?
by Will Rodger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Here's an interesting question: What happens when your star technical witness tells others she's no longer your witness at all? Denning now says she has doubts... (Responses? I'm no longer on cypherpunks, so mail me directly. Cheers - Will Administration Supporter Having Second Thoughts On Encryption Plan By Will Rodger 1:30 PM EDT Nixon went to China. Constantine converted to Christianity. Napoleon crowned himself emperor. So why can't Dorothy Denning be a cypherpunk? That's the question encryption mavens ask as the Georgetown University computer scientist slowly lets the word out: She won't back government plans for key recovery, key escrow or anything else alleged to increase national security until backers show that the benefits of controls on encryption outweighs those of letting free market forces govern its use. That's a far cry from the way she once talked about encryption technology. As recently as this year Denning was pegged as a strong backer of keeping controls on a wide range of computer-security products. "Maybe export controls should be lifted," Denning said. "But I'm not saying that all controls should be lifted. I've gotten into a state where I don't know and I'm not sure that I ever knew." Denning may be the only prominent cryptographer to support government control of encryption technology, the underlying technology behind nearly all Internet security devices that scramble information so even the wiliest hacker is powerless to decode it. As the author of the first widely read textbook on the subject, her opinion carries weight with at least some in the encryption community. Since encryption can be used to defeat lawful wiretaps and other electronic searches and seizures, Denning backed law enforcement as it tried to fight encryption's spread abroad. But now a host of objections to the Clinton administration's plan have turned the argument on its head. As the Internet becomes more popular for business use, encryption is more important than ever to keep hackers out. And a recent cryptographer's report suggesting that it would be far riskier to give governments spare keys to decode messages in a few places than not to have third party access at all has clearly shaken Denning's confidence. Policy specialists in Washington and elsewhere have speculated that Denning would announce something soon, but none wants to push her for fear of alienating someone who could end up a potent ally. "I don't think any close scientific observer of this debate can deny that there are real technical concerns raised by the Administration's position," said Alan Davidson, counsel with the Center for Democracy and Technology. "I think its just best for us to sit back and not say anything at this point," added another prominent activist. "We don't want to force her hand." Will Denning go over to the other side? "I'm not advocating anything anymore," Denning said. "I support what the administration is doing because I really see them struggling with these things." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBM5NE+EcByjT5n+LZAQHgzgf9FLHCAw4aw6wETKtsaK7WVmbyYMhMWaW5 hPXl21Xl24XioSm3xMjvvjWXfqZyn1rIX+hD7awVVevoRLjHsSC9LM4YwxW9pq+U EiXPjrciK65xxaIqaj3o5cI53QWWDHQN3+p++WUu2/d1+5b9xq2u4C5V9Jb4Jkld RCLh65nxe/mxTgvPBYZkuBwVn6WpuWPyQvbNMkmptMOgil4WYx3tiXNtJBz9GTZR t83g2tvfIz8c5Wz0Grc8Ln3pXckiQmko7e5zU2bH1/MPtPnUwwZav+xbCvkL/KAd qMZmzgVVR8EUIYkevPHuflmius4LY1m2SAAEmcs9R5Ont72sa0iFBw== =sDTa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Will Rodger Washington Bureau Chief Inter@ctive Week A Ziff-Davis Publication http://www.interactiveweek.com

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Re: What Cultural Monopoly?
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > If even you are red-baiting me now, it's time to pack it in. >I've lost. There must be easier ways to spend my time, like taking up >persuading mules as a hobby. Time for another vacation from the list. Don't go Seth. We need you. > The point was using real-Communist as a test of availability >(I keep saying real-Communist to ward off the stupid comments like >someone saying "Mario Cuomo"). Gerald Posner had a TV chat show for a while with Marlo Thomas' husband. I don't think he's on any more but he is a genuine commie. Have you tried your local Pacifica affiliate in Cambridge WMBR 88.1 FM. Here in New York we are blessed with genuine Marxists on WBAI an actual Pacifica station: http://www.pacifica.org "The stations of Pacifica Radio include KPFA Berkeley, KPFK Los Angeles, WBAI New York, KPFT Houston, and WPFW Washington, D.C. as well as 43 affiliate stations." We also have genuine Marxists on WLIB (a *commercial* station): http://www.wlib.com "WLIB 1190AM is the soul of New York's Black Community. It is the collective mind and experience of a people. It is the spirit and hope of the race. WLIB is the very heart of African American, Caribbean and African Culture, representing millions of residents in the New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut metropolitan areas." > But despites the "thousands of stations where you can hear >lots of different people", as Lizards said, the spectrum is fairly narrow. That was then this is now. As soon as we can muscle the FCC out of the picture and throw open the whole spectrum to efficient modern utilization and as soon as we deploy ADSL, Cable Modems, etc for high bandwidth net access and get good audio and video netcasting opportunities, there will be plenty of room for all sorts of ideas and the diversity of people's *interests* will guarantee that the whole spectrum of ideas has a place. > Note as *effective* (not theoretical) audience goes up, >ideological span goes *way* down. This has bad implications for the >evolution of the Net. Since anyone will still be able to put up any kind of a website, the span will be just as wide now or wider than ever in the future. As it is now than in the past. That's what happened with books. Today, it is easier to obtain a wider range of books than ever before. > Straight from the source, the things that will be expressed >are that which make the radio station owners rich. He said it, I >didn't. That's not the same at all as that which people would want to >hear, even for obvious reasons as marketing pressures to more wealthly >audiences. That's under the current economic model. Even today, had frequencies been allowed to be traded freely from the beginning, we would have more diversity because we would have more stations. >Trying to pound even these tiny insights through the yammer >noise is just taking too much energy. I know what you mean, Seth. I'm still trying to get you guys to name some actual person in the U.S. that lives in a smaller or less diverse media environment than a person similarly situated would have lived in before. DCF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5Wm5YVO4r4sgSPhAQEm3wP/SaYmiGVnbpDtxkfzZXUsQWbf0edJVAjm MEgJztGoiydAL1IASQ/xkTzjMySr5pWe7PEK7gZcI0PehtDjusAFC5DxZt57ecr8 MpYqPuLTwA9QVFF7zlvYBUag43LNYARIZRjosD/w+w66IPhWXW/ovXwC3ra2knOd C1R4Ox0sj8s= =b3Fa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Just Behind The Curve
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I almost forgot, I rewrote a couple of paragraphs on my paper: "Security Risks & Benefits in Implementing Automatic Processing of PKE in Electronic Mail". I even put in some pretty pictures so the tit suckers in DC would have somthing to look at. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5NLqo9Co1n+aLhhAQF2tQP7BgYSloqG3DmBuGBk5EXZK2+LdPL9+7nx rWK+3pW8yqrKahtGVBIVZFjhMytYumcic9nQiLUoQcFNuDdH5kaL9bQITvMUEzrL RTvN5SvnQrcYI7jkZpAjoWCGInXT+01/AaQ3QFlVA+46lHppHGQA1jP84htnwJhW eNZ9D36wiNU= =zWEU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: McVeigh
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim > of the OKC bomber. > > Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" "They also serve, who only stand and hate." - Winston David Dukehill

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Re: From Inter@ctive Week: Denning no longer backing key escrow?
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Will Rodger wrote: > Here's an interesting question: > What happens when your star technical witness tells others she's no longer > your witness at all? > Denning now says she has doubts... > "Maybe export controls should be lifted," Denning said. "But I'm not saying > that all controls should be lifted. I've gotten into a state where I don't > know and I'm not sure that I ever knew." Translation: Denning is waiting for the check from Sun Microsystems to clear before she finally makes up her mind. TruthMonger

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Email Filter Needed
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone needs to write an email filter that saves the headers from the TruthMonger (et al) posts and deletes the message. (A similar case could be made for mute Playboy centerfold candidates.) X-Comments: This email message is not from "Lee Harvey McVeigh': it was X-Comments: sent by an anonymous asshole using a remailer. X-Comments: Send all complaints about abuse of this remailer to X-Comments: the Oklahoma City Federal Building in a Ryder truck.

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EPIC...Buy Guns!
by Truth Monger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just watched a Detroit news report on the paramilitary and how the 'regular' citizens would have no problem with the government's desire to criminalize the existence of paramilitary group. A reporter expressed the view that the government is "hesitant" to "strongarm" legislation that limits the constitutional rights of the paramilitarists because they fear the "trouble" that would arise. Perhaps we should approach the Michigan Militia to represent us in crypto issues involving government regulation. "Reasonable compromise" should refer to promising your opponent a quick death. TruthMonger

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okc trial
by Kirk Fort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I hope Tim McVeigh frys. His friend Terry too. "Dust off old sparky, its time to start cooking" Kirk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBM5NgTligvzmuAps5AQEj+gL/TzmTIDcU3OUOs5wSJHv/kZIA0Wh5z5JX aJPra8AZhGMpPQG9myZAi8iBjS29LPgnBjCAu8+/3ksC7EBIslC7yoak5ShRB1+m VUamIo91CrTF3P5C5d9bejXnmPV1S1oi =lS7M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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