December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Cypherpunks afraid of spam?
by Matthew Ghio 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

aaron(a)herringn.com wrote: > [Fairly prominent Cypherpunk I'll decline to name- I don't mean to ridicule > him personally, just his (distressingly common) attitude] > > >Just for the record. I will not post to USENET given the spamming that > >seems to go to IDs that appear there. > > [chuckle] > > Just add an anti-spam segment to your email address. > > example: > > jsmith[at]foo.com > > Most people worth talking to have enough of a clue to replace [at] with @. Actually, I have a completely valid email address in this post (for now). If it gets spammed I will just delete the DNS record. (or maybe point it back at the spammer. :) And I'm sure we all know how to use remailers...

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Welcome
by List-Owner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Switching to full traffic mode
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like to warn and ask subscribers of cypherpunks(a)algebra.com. We are going ot get full feel from Lance Cottrell and cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com. We will filter messages by Message-ID to get rid of duplicates. It means that there is no sense (unless you want to confirm my integrity as the list host) to be subscribed to any of the other lists, as you will be getting multiple copies of messages. If you are afraid of that and use Unix, the following procmail recipe gets rid of duplicates: # # This recipe removes duplicates! # :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 32768 msgid.cache I am somwehat concerned by the behavior of my majordomo which is very paranoid about incoming messages: it rejects all messages that it THINKS are attempts to suscribe and unsuscribe. In this rejection, it is sometimes too broad. I do not know how to solve this problem. ATTENTION: if you want to get a feed from me, PLEASE send me a note and do not simply subscribe your mailing list to cypherpunks(a)algebra.com. It is because I want to send you the messages before my majordomo rewrites headers. - Igor.

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Welcome
by List-Owner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Welcome to Dia's Advance Listings mailing list. You will be sent advance listings approximately monthly with information on Dia's exhibitions and other upcoming programs. If you have questions or would like to request more press information, please contact Jennie Prebor at jennie(a)diacenter.org or (212) 989-5566 x 118. If you would like to stop receiving mailings, please send an email to list-owner(a)diacenter.org with the subject line "Remove me from Dia News." PLEASE NOTE: You may receive more than one message indicating a succesful subscription. If you joined more than one of Dia's mailing lists, you will receive one message for each list you joined. Thank you for your interest in Dia Center for the Arts. Dia Center for the Arts 548 West 22nd Street New York, NY 10011 http://www.diacenter.org

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Re:
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <froomkin(a)law.miami.edu> writes: > [cc list trimmed!] > > On Fri, 14 Feb 1997 paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > Is it legal or illegal to send a > > > PGP encrypted message from the US to someone in another country? > > > > Yes. > > Rubbish. It is perfectly legal. See generally > http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/clipper.htm I remember teaching in my computer security class how in 1944 the congress passed an act making it illegal to send encrypted messages fro m the U.S. to abroad via snail mail, radio, etc; it covers the not yet invented communications too (like computer networks) and is on the books in U.S.Code somewhere. No further laws need to be passed for the fuckers to start enforcing it. > PS. His sexist comments are rubbish too. I usually like his crypto posts, > however, as long as they are technical rather than legal... Paul's sexist comments are very interesting - I hope to find more time to comment on them too. I don't know if they have the same kind of "affirmative action" in the U.K. that they have in the U.S. - here if you find a woman in the position of authority, there's a good chance that she was promoted ahead of more qualified men to meet some quota, and is therefore incompetent. Remember how Klintoris (spit, spit) was determined to have a female attorney general 4 years ago, and went through a slew of female candidates, rejecting the best qualified ones like Kimba Wood, because she did what every working mother in this country does - hired a babysitter for cash - and finally appointed the bull dyke murdreress? No wonder the most ignorant shysters on this forum, like Jim Ray (spit) come from Florida. Did he take classes with Froomkin? :-) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Mirrors and replies-to
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, so far, I've got three cypherpunks mailboxes. One for sirius, one for algebra, and one for toad. It was interesting to me that I got stuff from the mirrors faster than toad until I remembered that the mirrors are wired to the unmoderated list at toad, and I'm still subscribed to the moderated list there. However, I would like it if the mirror operators would reinstantiate a feature of the original list for me. The reply-to field on the mirrors is currently set to cypherpunks(a)toad.com. On the original list, this was set to "sender", both to keep people from replying to the list unnecessarily (hah! :-)) but also to keep mail loops from forming. Mail loops could be a big problem, especially when you guys put together your neo-netnews mailring. (a little jyaism, that... :-)). Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

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Cryptanalysis
by Scott Auge 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Was wondering if anyone could help me with short explainations on the cryptanalysis of SKIPJACK and DES. If ya hit www.sauge.com/crypt you might get a better idea of what i'm trying to accomplish. Vague explanations are OK. Dont want long drawn out explainations on the implementation of an attack (source code, proofs, statistical analysis and the like), just a short explaination of the attack. Thanks all, Scott -- How has the government interfered in your life today?

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Cryptanalysis
by Scott Auge 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Was wondering if anyone could help me with short explainations on the cryptanalysis of SKIPJACK and DES. If ya hit www.sauge.com/crypt you might get a better idea of what i'm trying to accomplish. Vague explanations are OK. Dont want long drawn out explainations on the implementation of an attack (source code, proofs, statistical analysis and the like), just a short explaination of the attack. Thanks all, Scott -- How has the government interfered in your life today?

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Re: Waiting for Mac version [was Re: Full strength Email Clients]
by Fred Condo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:30 PM -0800 2/13/97, P.J. Westerhof wrote: >At 12:10 7-02-97 -0500, Timothy Hill wrote: >>Meanwhile, a beta version of "Pretty Safe Mail" >><http://www.highware.com/highware/PSM/safemail.htm> is available from >>Highware in Belgium. It's PGP compatible, and its user interface is a >>great leap forward from any Mac PGP front end I've seen. But, it still has >>some deficiencies, it's very slow (25 seconds to sign this message on a 25 >>MHz 68040 vs. 4 seconds for ViaCrypt PGP 2.7.1), and (as was recently >>discussed on a couple of these lists) its source code hasn't been published >>or externally audited. > >And today - one week later - *no* version is currently available. >I would say this adds to the reservations some of us may have had about PSM. >Thus far PGPMail 4.5 leaves out not only Mac-users, but W3.11-users also. I >have asked PGP.com what they intend to do about the 3.11-users >(W32s-enhanced or not). Since I'm sticking to W3.11 for the time being: >somebody else have any suggestions? I notice that PSM has had a name change concurrent with its availability change. Could the unavailability have to do with a trademark dispute between Highware & PGP, Inc.? Is Highware going to release the source code of VSM? Is PGP, Inc. going to release the source code of PGPMail 4.5? If the answer is no, I am sticking with the free PGP. If the answer is no, I guess these firms are expecting ignorance to be the primary characteristic of their customers.

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Re: Private property & the cypherpunks list(s)
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > ichudov(a)algebra.com allegedly said: > > Firebeard wrote: > > > >>>>> Igor Chudov @ home writes: > > > And once I'm up and running, my cypherpunks list server will > > > not be interconnected with any server which has a similar AUP. The > > > implication of the AUP is that if you _don't_ comply with it, you will > > > be blocked. Without such an implication, the AUP is meaningless, and > > > I'm dedicated that there should be no filtering/blocking of any kind, > > > of the list. Persons behaving 'unacceptably' should be handled by > > > social pressures by others in the 'community' of the list, and not by > > > policies of the list operators. > I can understand this sentiment, given the events of the past couple > of months, but it seems short-sighted. If this scheme grows there > could be several hundred or more mailers involved, and there is no > technical reason why moderated lists couldn't be included. > Remember that each list operator actually represents a community of > users, users who are *free* to go elsewhere if they choose. Clearly, > some people would chose to populate a filtered list. There is no > reason whatsoever to discriminate against them. There could be, but that would be on a case-by-case basis. There are times when carrying a censored feed that you'd be giving tacit approval to the censorship itself. Again, case-by-case basis.

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