December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

$10,000 in 45 days - not MLM!
by christensen＠usa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello,^Morons, $10,000 in 45 days! When I first read that provocative headline I thought "Oh yeah!" Now, why do you think I'd be so skeptical? Well, if you've been involved in any other "opportunities" you'd know that the hype mostly exceeds the reality. No one could have been more surprised than me, when I actually proved the truth of that headline. Yes, I did make over $10,000 in 45 days! I'm not saying this to boast, but to tell you that it really is possible... If you'd like to know HOW, then just point your browser to: http://www.cyberius.com/CG/122/ or, simply call and listen to a short message at: 1-800-995-0796 x4347 And keep my ID for reference.... Regards, Kirt Christensen Investors International #CG122

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Re: Dissolving Choke Points
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So you write: >Many good authors have already left the list and *nothing* will get them >back. Are you implying that any given mailing list should be controlled by the best authors? ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet Excuses are the tools with which those with no purpose in view build for themselves great monuments of nothing.

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Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Against Moderation <antimod(a)nym.alias.net> writes: > Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I never suggested Dr. Grubor's > views should be suppressed. Not only do I believe he has every right > to express them, I also believe (as I explained) that I think there is > value in inducing censorship as he has, so as to get people's > censorious tendencies out in the open where they can be fought. If you know this, then I fail to understand your arguments with him? > However, Dr. Grubor is no advocate of free speech (though I'm sure he > thinks he is). If Dr. Grubor had his way, he would severely restrict > the rights of gay people to express themselves on Usenet. Advocates > of free speech must truly tolerate all speech, even that which they > find strongly unpleasant or disturbing. I'm still not sure you are understanding as you claim you are. Look at what he says. Ask yourself if he supports freedom. If you think he does not, then for -you- he does not. If you want to know the real man, take him to dinner. > My point was therefore that Dr. Grubor would do better to say > "Exterminate all faggots" than "Exterminate all faggots in the name of > free speech," and that those of us who truly support freedom of speech > would do well to distance ourselves from Dr. Grubor, while still fully > supporting his right to express his opinions. Nonsense. I claim that those of us who truly support freedom of speech must -embrace- Dr. Grubor as a respected man of great skill, for he can show us just how free any mailing list or newsgroup truly is. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep

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Re: Fuck UseNet (fwd)
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"ravage(a)EINSTEIN.ssz.com" "Jim Choate" 15-FEB-1997 07:11:54.43 >Perhaps in addition to the X-foo structures we have discussed already we >might consider adding, >X-distrib-policy: foo >Where foo might be, > Public Domain > All rights reserved, contact author for redistribution > Distribution for non-commercial uses permitted > Refer to authors header > Copyleft > etc. >or whatever the policy might be for a given remailer. This would >significantly aid folks in their shopping around. The basic difficulty with this idea is that _senders_ generally don't have much of a choice where the messages go, once you've decided to accept them. In other words, just because you've decided to accept a message doesn't mean it suddenly becomes copyleft/public domain/whatever. Now, if you, say, announced that only subscribers to your particular list, subscribers to any other lists adopting the same idea, and those who'd sign a consent agreement could post through your list, that wouldn't be a problem... although I suspect you wouldn't get many subscribers. -Allen

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FBI_100
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

2-15-97. NYP: "Phone Companies Balk At Latest Plan by FBI." Markoff. Telcos are arguing that the new system will be far more intrusive and expensive than industry first thought, and would expand LEA wiretap capabilities 100-fold. "This is kind of scary. What does the FBI know about our future that we don't?" ----- FBI_100 ---------- See the FBI's latest wiretap plan at: http://jya.com/fbi011497.txt

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Switching to full traffic mode
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like to warn and ask subscribers of cypherpunks(a)algebra.com. We are going ot get full feel from Lance Cottrell and cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com. We will filter messages by Message-ID to get rid of duplicates. It means that there is no sense (unless you want to confirm my integrity as the list host) to be subscribed to any of the other lists, as you will be getting multiple copies of messages. If you are afraid of that and use Unix, the following procmail recipe gets rid of duplicates: # # This recipe removes duplicates! # :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 32768 msgid.cache I am somwehat concerned by the behavior of my majordomo which is very paranoid about incoming messages: it rejects all messages that it THINKS are attempts to suscribe and unsuscribe. In this rejection, it is sometimes too broad. I do not know how to solve this problem. ATTENTION: if you want to get a feed from me, PLEASE send me a note and do not simply subscribe your mailing list to cypherpunks(a)algebra.com. It is because I want to send you the messages before my majordomo rewrites headers. - Igor.

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Mirrors and replies-to
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, so far, I've got three cypherpunks mailboxes. One for sirius, one for algebra, and one for toad. It was interesting to me that I got stuff from the mirrors faster than toad until I remembered that the mirrors are wired to the unmoderated list at toad, and I'm still subscribed to the moderated list there. However, I would like it if the mirror operators would reinstantiate a feature of the original list for me. The reply-to field on the mirrors is currently set to cypherpunks(a)toad.com. On the original list, this was set to "sender", both to keep people from replying to the list unnecessarily (hah! :-)) but also to keep mail loops from forming. Mail loops could be a big problem, especially when you guys put together your neo-netnews mailring. (a little jyaism, that... :-)). Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

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$10,000 in 45 days - not MLM!
by christensen＠usa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello,^Morons, $10,000 in 45 days! When I first read that provocative headline I thought "Oh yeah!" Now, why do you think I'd be so skeptical? Well, if you've been involved in any other "opportunities" you'd know that the hype mostly exceeds the reality. No one could have been more surprised than me, when I actually proved the truth of that headline. Yes, I did make over $10,000 in 45 days! I'm not saying this to boast, but to tell you that it really is possible... If you'd like to know HOW, then just point your browser to: http://www.cyberius.com/CG/122/ or, simply call and listen to a short message at: 1-800-995-0796 x4347 And keep my ID for reference.... Regards, Kirt Christensen Investors International #CG122

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Re: Fuck UseNet (fwd)
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"ravage(a)EINSTEIN.ssz.com" "Jim Choate" 15-FEB-1997 07:11:54.43 >Perhaps in addition to the X-foo structures we have discussed already we >might consider adding, >X-distrib-policy: foo >Where foo might be, > Public Domain > All rights reserved, contact author for redistribution > Distribution for non-commercial uses permitted > Refer to authors header > Copyleft > etc. >or whatever the policy might be for a given remailer. This would >significantly aid folks in their shopping around. The basic difficulty with this idea is that _senders_ generally don't have much of a choice where the messages go, once you've decided to accept them. In other words, just because you've decided to accept a message doesn't mean it suddenly becomes copyleft/public domain/whatever. Now, if you, say, announced that only subscribers to your particular list, subscribers to any other lists adopting the same idea, and those who'd sign a consent agreement could post through your list, that wouldn't be a problem... although I suspect you wouldn't get many subscribers. -Allen

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Re: Dissolving Choke Points
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So you write: >Many good authors have already left the list and *nothing* will get them >back. Are you implying that any given mailing list should be controlled by the best authors? ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet Excuses are the tools with which those with no purpose in view build for themselves great monuments of nothing.

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