December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by jlkmiec＠concentric.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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How to subscribe
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠BXL.DG13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have learned from the discussions in this list that there are other lists related to this one. Can anybody send me information on what is available and when this confusion created by having different lists will stop. cypherpunks : unmoderated and uncensored cypherpunks : unmoderated and censored cypherpunks : moderated and uncensored cypherpunks : moderated and censored cypherpunks : US eyes only -- export restrictions cypherpunks : Europe cypherpunks : private mail Theodor W. Schlickmann

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Re: World's first Ecash note
by Marc Briceno 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:26 PM 2/6/97 -0800, Jeremey Barrett wrote: >The world's first Ecash note has been printed! > >A USD 0.01 note made out to anyone can be found at: > > http://www.veriweb.com/people/jeremey/ecash/1_cent.html > >The data portion of the note is a PDF417 2-D barcode, containing a >standard ecash payment of 1 US cent. Congratulations to Jeremey for printing the world's first Ecash note! I hereby declare Jeremey the winner of the "encoding Ecash as 2D-bar code" contest. The money will be awarded this Saturday. Now, we need decoding software. :-) [There is a $100 reward (out of my own pocket) for the first freeware decoder. Source required. This is a "just for fun" contest. I know that $100 won't pay for the time spent on the project.] -- Marc Briceno <mailto:marc@digicash.com> Ecash(tm) Electronic Cash Evangelist/Developers Support <http://www.digicash.com/>

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Re: lead remailer is shut down
by Ed Falk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can't remailers be written with basic spam safeguards? I.e. no mass crossposts, limited # of posts by each individual client per day, etc.?

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Re: World's first Ecash note
by Marc Briceno 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:26 PM 2/6/97 -0800, Jeremey Barrett wrote: >The world's first Ecash note has been printed! > >A USD 0.01 note made out to anyone can be found at: > > http://www.veriweb.com/people/jeremey/ecash/1_cent.html > >The data portion of the note is a PDF417 2-D barcode, containing a >standard ecash payment of 1 US cent. Congratulations to Jeremey for printing the world's first Ecash note! I hereby declare Jeremey the winner of the "encoding Ecash as 2D-bar code" contest. The money will be awarded this Saturday. Now, we need decoding software. :-) [There is a $100 reward (out of my own pocket) for the first freeware decoder. Source required. This is a "just for fun" contest. I know that $100 won't pay for the time spent on the project.] -- Marc Briceno <mailto:marc@digicash.com> Ecash(tm) Electronic Cash Evangelist/Developers Support <http://www.digicash.com/>

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automated moderation system
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

here's an idea for a simple "moderation" system with no one-moderator bottleneck/choke point. I'm trying to come up with a constructive solution with cyberspatial spirit. please send me email if you would be willing to try this system. flames ignored. if there is enough support I may be able to persuade a friend to write the code to do this. a new mailing list is set up, one that gets posts from a noisy mailing list. it filters the mail according to user preferences, and sends it out to its own subscribers. the filtering scheme is as follows: a web site is set up that allows people to express their own preferences as to who they wish to listen to in particular, and who they wish to killfile, based on email address. first, they hit the web site and have it send them a secret password to their email address. then they use that password to edit their "pass" and "zap" lists. (the password is for authentication) now, the mailing list works as follows. people always receive posts from people they put on their "pass" lists. mail from entities on their "zap" lists is always trashed. why are the lists kept on the server? the usefulness of this scheme is that now you have information about all entities, the number of votes to "pass" each entity, and the number of votes to "zap" each entity. now lets say that the system is considering sending me mail from someone that is neither on my pass or zap lists. I have no personal info on it, but the system could use the votes in some algorithmic way to decide whether to send it to me or not. various experiments could be tried to come up with a good scheme. my preference is at the moment something like this: every person indicates how much mail they wish to recieve from the list, and how much of a delay is acceptable. the system uses this information and the "pass/zap" ratio (or difference) to send out the "highest rated" messages in a given time window. during low list traffic, the messages that pass through would be ranked lower. or, the system could have a ranking threshold set by each individual user below which it will never pass the email. my feeling is to keep these lists public, although the scheme would allow a system that kept them private. of course I will be flamed for this. the system of course is essentially a reputation system, something everyone here talks about but nobody really seems to know what one is or how to set one up. anyway, I hope to hear from anyone with comments. if you might be able to support a cgi web site for the idea, please let me know. technically the system is pretty straightforward. my experience with these systems is that the great difficulty is getting people to try them, the "critical mass" problem.

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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a previous message, I wrote: > That's all very nice, but I should point out that I have not yet > seen my message to which you are responding on the filtered list. It just trickled into my mailbox. I take that back. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ mpd(a)netcom.com $ via Finger. $

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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SANDY SANDFORT sez: > On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Mike Duvos wrote: > > ...Messages apparently do not get moderated in the order in > > which they are received... > All messages are filtered and posted in the order in which I > receive them. That's all very nice, but I should point out that I have not yet seen my message to which you are responding on the filtered list. Others mileage may vary. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ mpd(a)netcom.com $ via Finger. $

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Re: Metzger, Denninger square off
by Eric Murray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Damaged Justice writes: > > [Forwarded from Wired news. Let's cut to the chase: Which side is in the > right? Who can tell me, in plain and simple language, who is fighting for > individual freedom and property rights, and who is not?] > [LINK] Foes Vow to Take Domain Name Fight to FCC > by Gene Koprowski > > 5:01 pm PST 6 Feb 97 - A proposal by the International Ad Hoc > Committee (IAHC) to expand the number of Internet top-level domain > names is stirring opposition among alternative domain name providers. [..] > Denninger said he received a leaked copy of the IACH proposal earlier > this week, and he and his colleagues are considering bringing their > protests to the FCC. "We're given open access under the telecom law," > says Denninger. "We might talk to the FCC or the Clinton > administration about this." Barring that, Denninger will lobby > Internet service providers around the country, asking them not to > recognize the new GTLDs. "There is no reason to support it. We will do > everything in our power to convince ISPs not to go along," he says. Karl's worried that the new GLTD system might mean that some sites will be unreachable, so he's going to lobby ISPs to not accept the new GLDTs to ensure that sites are unreachable? This reminds me of the Vietnam era "We had to destroy the village in order to save it." If I didn't already think that Karl was an idiot, I'd sure think so after reading this. -- Eric Murray ericm(a)lne.com ericm(a)motorcycle.com http://www.lne.com/ericm PGP keyid:E03F65E5 fingerprint:50 B0 A2 4C 7D 86 FC 03 92 E8 AC E6 7E 27 29 AF

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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >(It is true that Vulis uses the phrase "Limey faggots," in reference to >beer-serving habits, but he does not directly insult any list members with >this phrase. If Sandy is calling this phrase a flame, then Cypherpunks will >be blocked from their usual characterizations of Congresscritters and NSA >stooges.) TCM defending Vulis, I think I've died and am in some strange dreamworld. hehehehe

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