December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Helping Prof. Jim Bell
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:01 PM -0600 4/7/97, Toto wrote: > Hallam-Baker is apparently incapable of understanding his own >trail of logic. > He tells us that freedom of speech is not the issue, and then >proceeds to tell us that Jim Bell was dealt with differently than >others for exercising his freedom of speech. Look, we know Jim Bell the writer. (Some people have met him and know him as Jim Bell the loon, according to their assessments here, but that's a different, though possibly relevant, point.) An error many are making here is to assume that Bell was searched because of his "Bell the writer" personna. This is clearly incorrect. The search warrants dealt with many issues, as have been detailed in several posts here, and in the stuff Greg Broiles put up in scanned format. Assuming that his writings here were the cause of the actions against him is just plain incorrect. His writings may have affected the assessment of "likelihood" and "intent," given the various other things, but how else should it be? One's spoken or written words may indeed be protected by the First, against prior restraint and censorship, but they can generally be used, if available. In my posts I've carefully avoided evaluating whether Bell will be found guilty of any actual crime...I don't know the evidence, or the legal code, well enough. I _have_ said that I don't find it _surprising" that the Feds would think him a plausible threat, at least worthy of a search. They may read his rants and ultimately decide his threats were not plausible. They may decide the chances of conviction aren't good. Who knows? Bell himself said he was not surprised. --Tim May Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Bot-generated insults
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ray Arachelian <sunder(a)brainlink.com> writes: > It figures you wouldn't know any other language than BASIC, and nadly ^^^?? > written basic at that. I've seen better code written by chimpanzees. If Ray "Arsen" Arachelian can work for Earthweb, LLP, as an "associate network adiministrator", then I'm not surprised if they have chimpanzees writing Java code as well. I used to think that LISP is the best language for such apps, but wouldn't debase it by writing a simulation of a dandruff-covered Armenian in it. **************************************************************************** (DEF 'randomize '(LAMBDA () (SETQ RSEED (DTIME)) (SETQ RSEED (- RSEED (* 12345(/ RSEED 12345)))))) (DEF 'random '(LAMBDA (s) (SETQ RSEED (+ RSEED 911)) (COND ((GT RSEED 15000) (SETQ RSEED (- RSEED 15000)))) (+ 1 (- RSEED (* s (/ RSEED s)))) )) ~ (DEF 'statement '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 020)) (COND ((EQ R 001) (PRINC "Let the games begin!")) ((EQ R 002) (PRINC "Sweet Jesus!")) ((EQ R 003) (PRINC "Not that!")) ((EQ R 004) (PRINC "At last!")) ((EQ R 005) (PRINC "Land O' Goshen!")) ((EQ R 006) (PRINC "Is that all?")) ((EQ R 007) (PRINC "Is it in?")) ((EQ R 008) (PRINC "Cheese it, the cops!")) ((EQ R 009) (PRINC "I never dreamed it could be like this!")) ((EQ R 010) (PRINC "If I do, you won't respect me!")) ((EQ R 011) (PRINC "Oh my God!")) ((EQ R 012) (PRINC "Now!")) ((EQ R 013) (PRINC "Open Sesame!")) ((EQ R 014) (PRINC "Pomade!")) ((EQ R 015) (PRINC "Harder!")) ((EQ R 016) (PRINC "Faster!")) ((EQ R 017) (PRINC "Again!")) ((EQ R 018) (PRINC "Help!")) ((EQ R 019) (PRINC "Ay de mi!")) ((EQ R 020) (PRINC "Deeper!")) ))) (DEF 'said '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 018)) (COND ((EQ R 001) (PRINC " cried")) ((EQ R 002) (PRINC " bellowed")) ((EQ R 003) (PRINC " yelped")) ((EQ R 004) (PRINC " croaked")) ((EQ R 005) (PRINC " growled")) ((EQ R 006) (PRINC " panted")) ((EQ R 007) (PRINC " moaned")) ((EQ R 008) (PRINC " grunted")) ((EQ R 009) (PRINC " laughed")) ((EQ R 010) (PRINC " warbled")) ((EQ R 011) (PRINC " sighed")) ((EQ R 012) (PRINC " ejaculated")) ((EQ R 013) (PRINC " whispered")) ((EQ R 014) (PRINC " stammered")) ((EQ R 015) (PRINC " wheezed")) ((EQ R 016) (PRINC " squealed")) ((EQ R 017) (PRINC " whimpered")) ((EQ R 018) (PRINC " pleaded")) ))) (DEF 'girl '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 011)) (COND ((EQ R 001) (PRINC "saucy baggage")) ((EQ R 002) (PRINC "wanton hussy")) ((EQ R 003) (PRINC "unfortunate woman")) ((EQ R 004) (PRINC "lust-crazed duchess")) ((EQ R 005) (PRINC "female impersonator")) ((EQ R 006) (PRINC "nine-year-old nymphomaniac")) ((EQ R 007) (PRINC "45-year-old virgin bull-dyke")) ((EQ R 008) (PRINC "leather freak")) ((EQ R 009) (PRINC "home-cumming queen")) ((EQ R 010) (PRINC "defrocked nun")) ((EQ R 011) (PRINC "bisexual budgie")) ))) (DEF 'adj-1 '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 014)) (COND ((EQ R 001) (PRINC "thrashing")) ((EQ R 002) (PRINC "slurping")) ((EQ R 003) (PRINC "insatiable")) ((EQ R 004) (PRINC "rabid")) ((EQ R 005) (PRINC "satanic")) ((EQ R 006) (PRINC "corpulent")) ((EQ R 007) (PRINC "nose-grooming")) ((EQ R 008) (PRINC "tripe-fondling")) ((EQ R 009) (PRINC "dribbling")) ((EQ R 010) (PRINC "spread-eagled")) ((EQ R 011) (PRINC "orally fixated")) ((EQ R 012) (PRINC "vile")) ((EQ R 013) (PRINC "awesomely endowed")) ((EQ R 014) (PRINC "strapping")) ))) (DEF 'boy '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 020)) (COND ((EQ R 001) (PRINC " rakehell")) ((EQ R 002) (PRINC " black panther")) ((EQ R 003) (PRINC " hunchback")) ((EQ R 004) (PRINC " friar")) ((EQ R 005) (PRINC " archduke")) ((EQ R 006) (PRINC " midget")) ((EQ R 007) (PRINC " great dane")) ((EQ R 008) (PRINC " stallion")) ((EQ R 009) (PRINC " donkey")) ((EQ R 010) (PRINC " electric eel")) ((EQ R 011) (PRINC " lecherous")) ((EQ R 012) (PRINC " lickspittle")) ((EQ R 013) (PRINC " faggot butler")) ((EQ R 014) (PRINC " paraplegic")) ((EQ R 015) (PRINC " pothead")) ((EQ R 016) (PRINC " dirty old man")) ((EQ R 017) (PRINC " black-power advocate")) ((EQ R 018) (PRINC " follicle fetishist")) ((EQ R 019) (PRINC " egg-sucking chicken flicker")) ((EQ R 020) (PRINC " hired hand")) ))) (DEF 'verb-1 '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 011)) (COND ((EQ R 001) (PRINC " plundered")) ((EQ R 002) (PRINC " diddled")) ((EQ R 003) (PRINC " devoured")) ((EQ R 004) (PRINC " fondled")) ((EQ R 005) (PRINC " mouthed")) ((EQ R 006) (PRINC " tongued")) ((EQ R 007) (PRINC " lashed")) ((EQ R 008) (PRINC " tweaked")) ((EQ R 009) (PRINC " violated")) ((EQ R 010) (PRINC " defiled")) ((EQ R 011) (PRINC " irrigated")) ))) (DEF 'adj-2 '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 012)) (COND ((EQ R 001) (PRINC "alabaster")) ((EQ R 002) (PRINC "pink-tipped")) ((EQ R 003) (PRINC "creamy")) ((EQ R 004) (PRINC "rosebud")) ((EQ R 005) (PRINC "moist")) ((EQ R 006) (PRINC "throbbing")) ((EQ R 007) (PRINC "juicy")) ((EQ R 008) (PRINC "heaving")) ((EQ R 009) (PRINC "straining")) ((EQ R 010) (PRINC "mammoth")) ((EQ R 011) (PRINC "succulent")) ((EQ R 012) (PRINC "quivering")) ))) (DEF 'tits '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 013)) (COND ((EQ R 001) (PRINC " schnoobies")) ((EQ R 002) (PRINC " globes")) ((EQ R 003) (PRINC " melons")) ((EQ R 004) (PRINC " mounds")) ((EQ R 005) (PRINC " buds")) ((EQ R 006) (PRINC " paps")) ((EQ R 007) (PRINC " chubbies")) ((EQ R 008) (PRINC " protruberances")) ((EQ R 009) (PRINC " treasures")) ((EQ R 010) (PRINC " bum")) ((EQ R 011) (PRINC " bung")) ((EQ R 012) (PRINC " vestibule")) ((EQ R 013) (PRINC " armpits")) ))) (DEF 'verb-2 '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 011)) (COND ((EQ R 001) (PRINC "plunged")) ((EQ R 002) (PRINC "thrust")) ((EQ R 003) (PRINC "squeezed")) ((EQ R 004) (PRINC "pounded")) ((EQ R 005) (PRINC "drove")) ((EQ R 006) (PRINC "eased")) ((EQ R 007) (PRINC "slid")) ((EQ R 008) (PRINC "hammered")) ((EQ R 009) (PRINC "squished")) ((EQ R 010) (PRINC "crammed")) ((EQ R 011) (PRINC "slammed")) ))) (DEF 'adj-3 '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 018)) (COND ((EQ R 001) (PRINC "bursting")) ((EQ R 002) (PRINC "jutting")) ((EQ R 003) (PRINC "glistening")) ((EQ R 004) (PRINC "brobdingnagian")) ((EQ R 005) (PRINC "prodigious")) ((EQ R 006) (PRINC "purple")) ((EQ R 007) (PRINC "searing")) ((EQ R 008) (PRINC "swollen")) ((EQ R 009) (PRINC "rigid")) ((EQ R 010) (PRINC "rampaging")) ((EQ R 011) (PRINC "warty")) ((EQ R 012) (PRINC "steaming")) ((EQ R 013) (PRINC "gorged")) ((EQ R 014) (PRINC "trunklike")) ((EQ R 015) (PRINC "foaming")) ((EQ R 016) (PRINC "spouting")) ((EQ R 017) (PRINC "swinish")) ((EQ R 018) (PRINC "red-hot")) ))) (DEF 'prick '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 024)) (COND ((EQ R 001) (PRINC " prosthesis")) ((EQ R 002) (PRINC " intruder")) ((EQ R 003) (PRINC " prong")) ((EQ R 004) (PRINC " stump")) ((EQ R 005) (PRINC " member")) ((EQ R 006) (PRINC " meatloaf")) ((EQ R 007) (PRINC " majesty")) ((EQ R 008) (PRINC " bowsprit")) ((EQ R 009) (PRINC " earthmover")) ((EQ R 010) (PRINC " jackhammer")) ((EQ R 011) (PRINC " ramrod")) ((EQ R 012) (PRINC " cod")) ((EQ R 013) (PRINC " jabber")) ((EQ R 014) (PRINC " gusher")) ((EQ R 015) (PRINC " engine")) ((EQ R 016) (PRINC " brownie")) ((EQ R 017) (PRINC " joy stick")) ((EQ R 018) (PRINC " plunger")) ((EQ R 019) (PRINC " piston")) ((EQ R 020) (PRINC " tool")) ((EQ R 021) (PRINC " manhood")) ((EQ R 022) (PRINC " lollipop")) ((EQ R 023) (PRINC " kidney prodder")) ((EQ R 043) (PRINC " device")) ))) (DEF 'adj-4 '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 010)) (COND ((EQ R 001) (PRINC "pulsing")) ((EQ R 002) (PRINC "hungry")) ((EQ R 003) (PRINC "hymeneal")) ((EQ R 004) (PRINC "palpitating")) ((EQ R 005) (PRINC "gaping")) ((EQ R 006) (PRINC "slavering")) ((EQ R 007) (PRINC "welcoming")) ((EQ R 008) (PRINC "glutted")) ((EQ R 009) (PRINC "gobbling")) ((EQ R 010) (PRINC "cobwebby")) ))) (DEF 'cunt '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 017)) (COND ((EQ R 001) (PRINC " swamp")) ((EQ R 002) (PRINC " honeypot")) ((EQ R 003) (PRINC " jam jar")) ((EQ R 004) (PRINC " butterbox")) ((EQ R 005) (PRINC " furburger")) ((EQ R 006) (PRINC " cherry pie")) ((EQ R 007) (PRINC " cush")) ((EQ R 008) (PRINC " slot")) ((EQ R 009) (PRINC " slit")) ((EQ R 010) (PRINC " cockpit")) ((EQ R 011) (PRINC " damp")) ((EQ R 012) (PRINC " furrow")) ((EQ R 013) (PRINC " sanctum sanctorum")) ((EQ R 014) (PRINC " bearded clam")) ((EQ R 015) (PRINC " continental divide")) ((EQ R 016) (PRINC " paradise valley")) ((EQ R 017) (PRINC " wanton desire")) ))) (DEF 'smut '(LAMBDA () (PRINC '\") (statement) (PRINC '\") (said) (PRINC " the ") (girl) (PRINC " as the ") (adj-1) (boy) (verb-1) (PRINC " her ") (adj-2) (tits) (PRINC " and ") (verb-2) (PRINC " his ") (adj-3) (prick) (PRINC " into her ") (adj-4) (cunt) (PRINC ".") (TERPRI) )) (randomize) **************************************************************************** ~Pseudo-random 1 to s (DEF 'randomize '(LAMBDA () (SETQ RSEED (DTIME)) (SETQ RSEED (- RSEED (* 12345(/ RSEED 12345)))))) (DEF 'random '(LAMBDA (s) (SETQ RSEED (+ RSEED 911)) (COND ((GT RSEED 15000) (SETQ RSEED (- RSEED 15000)))) (+ 1 (- RSEED (* s (/ RSEED s)))) )) (DEF 'adj-phrase '(LAMBDA () (PROG () LOOP-adj (SETQ R (random 124)) (PRINC (COND ((EQ R 001) "stinking") ((EQ R 002) "little") ((EQ R 003) "smelly") ((EQ R 004) "ugly") ((EQ R 005) "bisexual") ((EQ R 006) "deranged") ((EQ R 007) "revolting") ((EQ R 008) "sickening") ((EQ R 009) "disgusting") ((EQ R 010) "perverted") ((EQ R 011) "stupid") ((EQ R 012) "illiterate") ((EQ R 013) "flea-bitten") ((EQ R 014) "depraved") ((EQ R 015) "uncouth") ((EQ R 016) "bad breathed") ((EQ R 017) "pitiful") ((EQ R 018) "dumpy") ((EQ R 019) "offensive") ((EQ R 020) "dim witted") ((EQ R 021) "loathsome") ((EQ R 022) "insignificant") ((EQ R 023) "blithering") ((EQ R 024) "repulsive") ((EQ R 025) "worthless") ((EQ R 026) "blundering") ((EQ R 027) "retarded") ((EQ R 028) "useless") ((EQ R 029) "obnoxious") ((EQ R 030) "low budget") ((EQ R 031) "asisine") ((EQ R 032) "neurotic") ((EQ R 033) "subhuman") ((EQ R 034) "crochety") ((EQ R 035) "indescribable") ((EQ R 036) "contemptible") ((EQ R 037) "unspeakable") ((EQ R 038) "sick") ((EQ R 039) "lazy") ((EQ R 040) "good for nothing)") ((EQ R 041) "slutty") ((EQ R 042) "spastic") ((EQ R 043) "creepy") ((EQ R 044) "sloppy") ((EQ R 045) "dumb") ((EQ R 046) "predictable") ((EQ R 047) "atrocious") ((EQ R 048) "grotesque") ((EQ R 049) "ungodly") ((EQ R 050) "feeble-minded") ((EQ R 051) "clueless") ((EQ R 052) "demented") ((EQ R 053) "bewildered") ((EQ R 054) "outrageous") ((EQ R 055) "deranged") ((EQ R 056) "confused") ((EQ R 057) "miserable") ((EQ R 058) "detestable") ((EQ R 059) "annoying") ((EQ R 060) "shameless") ((EQ R 061) "ignorant") ((EQ R 062) "despicable") ((EQ R 063) "insane") ((EQ R 064) "tiny brained") ((EQ R 065) "oblivious") ((EQ R 066) "hopeless") ((EQ R 067) "god-awful") ((EQ R 068) "bungling") ((EQ R 069) "appalling") ((EQ R 070) "lackluster") ((EQ R 071) "skaggy") ((EQ R 072) "brainless") ((EQ R 073) "boring") ((EQ R 074) "uncultivated") ((EQ R 075) "inadequate") ((EQ R 076) "inhuman") ((EQ R 077) "self-exalting") ((EQ R 078) "testy") ((EQ R 079) "irresponsible") ((EQ R 080) "mentally deficient") ((EQ R 081) "disdainful") ((EQ R 082) "friendless") ((EQ R 083) "dreadfull") ((EQ R 084) "psychotic") ((EQ R 085) "opinionated") ((EQ R 086) "monotonous") ((EQ R 087) "disgraceful") ((EQ R 088) "preposterous") ((EQ R 089) "totally tacky") ((EQ R 090) "uneducated") ((EQ R 091) "rediculous") ((EQ R 092) "double ugly") ((EQ R 093) "irrational") ((EQ R 094) "cranky") ((EQ R 095) "goofy") ((EQ R 096) "crude") ((EQ R 097) "embarrassing") ((EQ R 098) "deeply disturbed)") ((EQ R 099) "inept") ((EQ R 100) "undisciplined") ((EQ R 101) "crooked") ((EQ R 102) "pathetic") ((EQ R 103) "infantile") ((EQ R 104) "witless") ((EQ R 105) "indecent") ((EQ R 106) "infuriating") ((EQ R 107) "unimpressive") ((EQ R 108) "insufferable") ((EQ R 109) "dismal") ((EQ R 110) "erratic") ((EQ R 111) "incapable") ((EQ R 112) "hallucinating") ((EQ R 113) "pompous") ((EQ R 114) "pitiable") ((EQ R 115) "slovenly") ((EQ R 116) "laughable") ((EQ R 117) "bad tempered") ((EQ R 118) "decrepit") ((EQ R 119) "bizarre") ((EQ R 120) "driveling") ((EQ R 121) "uncultured") ((EQ R 122) "cantankerous") ((EQ R 123) "hypocritical") ((EQ R 124) "sleazy"))) (COND ( (LT(random 3) 3) (PRINC ", ") (GO LOOP-adj)) ( T (PRINC " ")) )))) (DEF 'noun '(LAMBDA () (COND ((EQ (random 4) 1) (SETQ R (random 15)) (PRINC (COND ((EQ R 01) "twit") ((EQ R 02) "bastard") ((EQ R 03) "fool") ((EQ R 04) "idiot") ((EQ R 05) "cretin") ((EQ R 06) "dolt") ((EQ R 07) "moron") ((EQ R 08) "degenerate") ((EQ R 09) "mutant") ((EQ R 09) "asshole") ((EQ R 10) "imbecile") ((EQ R 11) "incompetent") ((EQ R 12) "failure") ((EQ R 13) "noncompoop") ((EQ R 14) "pothead") ((EQ R 15) "wiper of other peoples' behinds")))) (T(SETQ R (random 30)) (PRINC (COND ((EQ R 01) "lump") ((EQ R 02) "crock") ((EQ R 03) "ball") ((EQ R 04) "mass") ((EQ R 05) "tub") ((EQ R 06) "loaf") ((EQ R 07) "bucket") ((EQ R 08) "mound") ((EQ R 09) "bunch") ((EQ R 10) "stack") ((EQ R 11) "glob") ((EQ R 12) "bag") ((EQ R 13) "heap") ((EQ R 14) "mountain") ((EQ R 15) "load") ((EQ R 16) "toilet full") ((EQ R 17) "barrel") ((EQ R 18) "sack") ((EQ R 19) "blob") ((EQ R 20) "pile") ((EQ R 21) "clump") ((EQ R 22) "shovel full") ((EQ R 23) "cake") ((EQ R 24) "bowl") ((EQ R 25) "wheelbarrel full") ((EQ R 26) "box") ((EQ R 27) "crate") ((EQ R 28) "collection") ((EQ R 29) "truckload") ((EQ R 30) "vat") )) (PRINC " of ") (SETQ R (random 69)) (PRINC (COND ((EQ R 01) "stale ") ((EQ R 02) "foul ") ((EQ R 03) "fossilized ") ((EQ R 04) "festering ") ((EQ R 05) "steaming ") ((EQ R 06) "gross ") ((EQ R 07) "reasty ") ((EQ R 08) "recycled ") ((EQ R 09) "mildewed ") ((EQ R 10) "raunchy ") ((EQ R 11) "putrid ") ((EQ R 12) "moldy ") ((EQ R 13) "synthetic ") ((EQ R 14) "filthy ") ((EQ R 15) "soppy ") ((EQ R 16) "radioactive ") ((EQ R 17) "infested ") ((EQ R 18) "septic ") ((EQ R 19) "crusty ") ((EQ R 20) "smelly ") ((EQ R 21) "dirty ") ((EQ R 22) "rotten ") ((EQ R 23) "crumby ") ((EQ R 24) "musty ") ((EQ R 25) "second-hand ") ((EQ R 26) "fly-covered ") ((EQ R 27) "imitation ") ((EQ R 28) "moth-eaten ") ((EQ R 29) "pureed ") ((EQ R 30) "decaying ") ((EQ R 31) "decomposed ") ((EQ R 32) "freeze dried ") ((EQ R 33) "soggy ") ((EQ R 34) "petrified ") ((EQ R 35) "seething ") ((EQ R 36) "stinking ") ((EQ R 37) "clammy ") ((EQ R 38) "dehydrated ") ((EQ R 39) "polluted ") ((EQ R 40) "lousy ") ((EQ R 41) "stenchy ") ((EQ R 42) "malignant ") ((EQ R 43) "noxious ") ((EQ R 44) "grimy ") ((EQ R 45) "fusty ") ((EQ R 46) "reeky ") ((EQ R 47) "nasty ") ((EQ R 48) "mutilated ") ((EQ R 49) "sloppy ") ((EQ R 50) "fresh ") ((EQ R 51) "gruesome ") ((EQ R 52) "foreign ") ((EQ R 53) "grisly ") ((EQ R 54) "sloshy ") ((EQ R 55) "dusky ") ((EQ R 56) "wormy ") ((EQ R 57) "mealy ") ((EQ R 58) "defective ") ((EQ R 59) "spoiled ") ((EQ R 60) "contaminated ") ((EQ R 61) "sun-ripened ") ((EQ R 62) "rancid ") ((EQ R 63) "old ") ((EQ R 64) "fermenting ") ((EQ R 65) "industrial-strength ") ((EQ R 66) "flea-bitten ") ((EQ R 67) "nauseating ") ((EQ R 68) "decomposing ") ((EQ R 69) "unimaginable ") )) (SETQ R (random 91)) (PRINC (COND ((EQ R 01) "pig bowels") ((EQ R 02) "walrus blubber") ((EQ R 03) "dog barf") ((EQ R 04) "coyote snot") ((EQ R 05) "carp guts") ((EQ R 06) "skunk waste") ((EQ R 07) "camel fleas") ((EQ R 08) "llama spit") ((EQ R 09) "rat boogers") ((EQ R 10) "toe jam") ((EQ R 11) "maggot guts") ((EQ R 12) "dog meat") ((EQ R 13) "ear wax") ((EQ R 14) "nose nuggets") ((EQ R 15) "swine remains") ((EQ R 16) "rubbish") ((EQ R 17) "goat carcusses") ((EQ R 18) "sewage") ((EQ R 19) "zit cheese") ((EQ R 20) "vulture gizzards") ((EQ R 21) "hogwash") ((EQ R 22) "navel lint") ((EQ R 23) "gutter mud") ((EQ R 24) "leprousy scabs") ((EQ R 25) "nasal hairs") ((EQ R 26) "garbage") ((EQ R 27) "elephant plaque") ((EQ R 28) "slug slime") ((EQ R 29) "buzzard barf") ((EQ R 30) "jock straps") ((EQ R 31) "parrot droppings") ((EQ R 32) "camel manure") ((EQ R 33) "chicken guts") ((EQ R 34) "underwear") ((EQ R 35) "compost") ((EQ R 36) "pig droppings") ((EQ R 37) "rabbit raisins") ((EQ R 38) "turkey puke") ((EQ R 39) "whale waste") ((EQ R 40) "hippo vomit") ((EQ R 41) "pimple pus") ((EQ R 42) "dog phlegm") ((EQ R 43) "buffalo chips") ((EQ R 44) "weasel warts") ((EQ R 45) "shark snot") ((EQ R 46) "swamp mud") ((EQ R 47) "tripe") ((EQ R 48) "pig hickies") ((EQ R 49) "fish lips") ((EQ R 50) "cockroaches") ((EQ R 51) "dandruff flakes") ((EQ R 52) "rodent droppings") ((EQ R 53) "carrion") ((EQ R 54) "monkey zits") ((EQ R 55) "horse puckies") ((EQ R 56) "pig slop") ((EQ R 57) "sewer seepage") ((EQ R 58) "armpit hairs") ((EQ R 59) "ape puke") ((EQ R 60) "frog fat") ((EQ R 61) "bug parts") ((EQ R 62) "mule froth") ((EQ R 63) "hog livers") ((EQ R 64) "camel flops") ((EQ R 65) "sludge") ((EQ R 66) "pimple squeezings") ((EQ R 67) "toad tumors") ((EQ R 68) "sweat socks") ((EQ R 69) "bat guano") ((EQ R 70) "rat cysts") ((EQ R 71) "moose entrails") ((EQ R 72) "foot fungus") ((EQ R 73) "buzzard leavings") ((EQ R 74) "eel guts") ((EQ R 75) "maggot brains") ((EQ R 76) "sinus clots") ((EQ R 77) "stable sweepings") ((EQ R 78) "drain clogs") ((EQ R 79) "cigar butts") ((EQ R 80) "pigeon bombs") ((EQ R 81) "cow cud") ((EQ R 82) "snake innards") ((EQ R 83) "spitoon spillage") ((EQ R 84) "barf curds") ((EQ R 85) "maggot fodder") ((EQ R 86) "nose pickings") ((EQ R 87) "cow pies") ((EQ R 88) "puke lumps") ((EQ R 89) "hog swill") ((EQ R 90) "sinus drainage") ((EQ R 91) "lizard bums") )) )))) (DEF 'directional-verb '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 5)) (PRINC (COND ((EQ R 1) "puke") ((EQ R 2) "vomit") ((EQ R 3) "fart") ((EQ R 4) "piss") ((EQ R 5) "shout obscenities"))))) (DEF 'direction '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 3)) (PRINC (COND ((EQ R 1) " at you") ((EQ R 2) " in your face") ((EQ R 2) " in your general direction"))))) (DEF 'verb-phrase '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 5)) (COND ((EQ R 1) (directional-verb) (direction)) ((EQ R 2) (PRINC "cry")) ((EQ R 3) (PRINC "weep")) ((EQ R 4) (PRINC "scream")) ((EQ R 5) (PRINC "commit gross abominations")) ))) (DEF 'suggestion '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 6)) (PRINC (COND ((EQ R 1) "crawl back under a rock") ((EQ R 2) "go back whence you came from") ((EQ R 3) "die abd leave us in peace") ((EQ R 4) "go jump in a lake") ((EQ R 5) "take a long walk off a short pier") ((EQ R 6) "do yourself a favor and drop dead") )))) (DEF 'proper-name '(LAMBDA () (SETQ R (random 5)) (PRINC (COND ((EQ R 1) "Alan Turing") ((EQ R 2) "Marvin Minsky") ((EQ R 3) "Douglas Hofstadter") ((EQ R 4) "your best friend") ((EQ R 4) "a large crowd of graduate students")) ))) (DEF 'abuse '(LAMBDA () (PRINC "You ") (adj-phrase) (noun) (PRINC ". ") (SETQ RR (random 4)) (COND ((EQ RR 1) (PRINC "May ") (proper-name) (PRINC " ") (directional-verb) (direction) (PRINC ". ")) ((EQ RR 2) (PRINC "Whenever I see you, I want to ") (verb-phrase) (PRINC ". ")) ((EQ RR 3) (PRINC "Why don't you ") (suggestion) (PRINC ". ")) ((EQ RR 4) (PRINC "Please, ") (suggestion) (PRINC ". ")) ))) (randomize) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Adam Back speaks out on AP / was: Jim Bell? Never heard of him.
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > I see lots of discussion of AP. However I see lots of people > discussing cautiously, couching it in terms of: > game theory, or intellectual possibility > or dismissing it as impractical. > > Perhaps I'm just imagining things, but it would seem to me that if one > had in the past made comments on the list suggesting that AP might > even be a _good thing_, Jim Bell's experience might make one think now > was be a good time to disclaim that one was talking theoretically. Jim *who*??? > I've viewed several posters comments on AP ever since Jim Bell got > involved in discussing anonymous markets in illegal services as being > careful to stay on the side of speech. > It is almost as if they are afraid to discuss openly their views on > the subject. This doesn't stop them from castigating those who post anonymously in regard to this subject. (As if not wanting to face 20 armed government agents who consider you "armed and dangerous" {i.e. shoot first and ask questions later} somehow negates their facts and logic.) > Democracy is one person one vote, however this is skewed in most > democracies by numerous factors: corporate lobbying, media influence, > and people who are easily influenced by media. > > AP is one $ one vote. Theoretically rich people could out-vote their > rivals. So the end result might well be, not the assassination of those involved, but the lessening of their power by virtue of depleting their funds, which leads to a more equal playing field. > Game theoretically: AP may be a good thing for you personally if the > reduction in power of groups targetted by AP bets was beneficial > enough to you to cancel out the negative aspects of you yourself being > targetted, and the negative aspects of living in the resulting > society. Green Peace might serve as a good example of this. A sufficient number of individuals contributing small amounts to the pool might not be able to negate the total funds available to whaling companies, but they might be able to impact the profit margin sufficiently that they would not be able to extinct the species. > I'm not too sure what the outcome would be. All sorts of people might get > targetted by all kinds of unanticipated groups of the populace. Will the > mafia join the fray, and offer insurance against having a contract taken out > on yourself? Will the government join in and take out hits on GAK > dissenters and free speech activists? Will corporations get rid of > embarassing whistleblowers? Will irritating media starlets get offed? > > We have no way of knowing whether the outcome would be "a good thing" by any > chosen metric. But the results would be a far cry more interesting than reruns of Gilligan's Island. TruthMonger (#7 - the 'sane' one)

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ElGamal
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[ocksucker] Mayhem is widely recognized on the net, because of his frequent vitriolic postings, as someone/thing ready to cut off his own penis to spite the testicles, although his friends recognize him better from the rear. /\ /..\ Tim C[ocksucker] Mayhem /_\/_\

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Re: New Paper by Ron Rivest
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: > > From: "Phillip M. Hallam-Baker" <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> > To: "Micropay (E-mail)" <micropay(a)ai.mit.edu> > Subject: New Paper by Ron Rivest This interplay between C2Net schills and MIT schills is getting more than a little boring. We always seem to have the same actors involved in the attacks on the cypherpunks. First, lightweights like Kent Crispin post some dribble before the 'event' takes place. After the 'event', the heavyweight disinfo artists like Hallam-Baker step forward with their bullshit. Then their bum-buddy "cheers" Bob Hettinga forwards their posts from other lists to try to give them the appearance of respectability. Bullshit is bullshit, no matter how much these characters stroke each other's cocks. TruthMonger

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Re: Feds reading this list, Jim Bell, and threats
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > > I think it is fairly clear that AP is a Chimera. The problem with > lurid fantasies like it, though, is that they give the press and > politicians convenient targets. In fact, a case could be made for > considering Jim Bell as a NSA shill. Certainly he is a perfect foil > for a statist agenda. So, now Kent is volunteering to testify to the fact that Jim Bell is an NSA shill. (and still seems ashamed of his .gov address) I am waiting for a post from Kent that is sufficiently lucid that it can be replied to without drinking an extra bottle of Scotch to follow his twisted trail of logic. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Feds reading this list, Jim Bell, and threats
by Kent Crispin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, Apr 07, 1997 at 07:24:03PM -0600, Toto wrote: > Kent Crispin wrote: > > > > I think it is fairly clear that AP is a Chimera. The problem with > > lurid fantasies like it, though, is that they give the press and > > politicians convenient targets. In fact, a case could be made for > > considering Jim Bell as a NSA shill. Certainly he is a perfect foil > > for a statist agenda. > > So, now Kent is volunteering to testify to the fact that Jim Bell is > an NSA shill. (and still seems ashamed of his .gov address) Just so you know, Toto, .gov informs me it doesn't want there to be the slightest possibility of anyone thinking I am speaking for it. And the part about Jim Bell being an NSA shill? I am not volunteering to testify to anything, but your are the *second* person to say something about it, so it *must* be true. And the part about the statist agenda? That must be true too, since you quoted it. > I am waiting for a post from Kent that is sufficiently lucid that it > can be replied to without drinking an extra bottle of Scotch to follow > his twisted trail of logic. You needed that extra bottle anyway. -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent(a)songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html

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AP--the choice of Postal Workers everywhere
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

snow wrote: > Crispy Critters wrote: > > you are either born into that social contract, or you move > > into it. In either case the social contract that makes up the state > > predates your involvement. You are free to accept or reject the > > terms of that social contract. If you chose to reject them, then you > > should leave -- since the individuals who composed that contract were > > there before you, their rights take priority. > > BULLSHIT. I don't have a choice. I would like to leave, but > everywhere is already claimed by fucking statist pricks. There is no > place left where a person can go and be free of self important pricks > who think that it is _their_ right to infringe on _my_ rights. Since the land thieves have everything locked up, the only option is to stand and fight. Wise conquerers always leave the disenchanted a small, desolate place they can go to lick their wounds. The current fascists idiots in power don't have the sense to do that. The result is a civilization that is falling apart because those who don't want to take it in the ass have no option except to stick around and fight. > If the contract was written by people who no longer exist, and > enforced from the top, by force then you _do_ have the right to change > the system from without. Especially since (in the context of American, > French, and several other "[un]social contracts") they were themselves > brought about by force and violence, often with the support of less than > a majority. And you can never ignore the 'majority of one'. If the government deems it their right to act as they will, as a result of being heavily armed, then they complain in vain about the individual deeming it their right to act as they will, as a result of being heavily armed. What is good for the gander (government) is good for the goose (postal worker). -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Wassenaar Arrangement now available
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We've converted the AU version of Wassenaar "Part 3 Category 5 - Telecommunications and Information Security" DOC to HTML: http://jya.com/aucat_5.htm "Part 2 - Information Security" fits the notes on cryptography posted here by Hayashi Tsuyoshi and fills in the missing pieces.

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Re: $20,000 the going rate?
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

William H. Geiger III wrote: > > I am forwarding a message from another list as I felt it may be of intrest > to some here. > > Subject: SCANNER LISTENER FOILS MURDER PLOT > Following from the > Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Friday, April 4, 1997 > =========================================== > "TWO ACCUSED OF MURDER-FOR-HIRE PLOT" > > Overheard phone call leads to arrests And the way this relates to Jim Bell is... -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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