December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

EAR Doc
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We've prepared a hyperlinked version of the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) to assist analysis, evaluation and commentary on interim rules for encryption export: http://jya.com/eartoc.htm It's sobering to study the EAR and see the lethal weapons to which encryption is wed -- the most mass-murderous of high-technology calmly described as commercial warfare for the commonweal. Ponder the Commerce Control list to see the mayhem elite minds concoct.

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Ecash naysayers
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:02:52 -0500 From: Roderick Simpson <rod(a)wired.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <com-priv(a)lists.psi.com> Subject: Ecash naysayers Anyone heard a convincing naysayer of electronic cash? Who were they? Best, Rod R o d e r i c k S i m p s o n rod(a)wired.com A s s o c i a t e P r o d u c e r T h e H o t W i r e d N e t w o r k www.braintennis.com www.wiredsource.com ------------------------------ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox, e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://offshore.com.ai/fc97/

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[Fwd: Re: Timmy's Lost It: [Was Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice]]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by lep1＠bellsouth.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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[Fwd: Re: Experiments on Mailing Lists]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: New rules for Internet sales to CA buyers
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:50 AM 1/4/97 -0800, Ian Goldberg wrote: >Greg Broiles <gbroiles(a)netbox.com> wrote: >>The following subsection of California Business & Professions Code section >>17538 took effect 1/1/97 and may be of interest to people following state >>attempts to regulate net sales: >> >>[...] >> (d) A vendor conducting business through the Internet or any other >>electronic means of communication shall do all of the following >>when the transaction involves a buyer located in California: >[snip] > >So is this saying that a merchant _anywhere in the world_ can be prosecuted >under California law if someone in California goes to their web page, >and the web page doesn't satisfy the requirements (which I snipped)? Yes; but since the law is a criminal statute, the presence of the defendant is required (absent the defendant's waiver) for a prosecution to occur. Securing the appearance of an out-of-state or out-of-country defendant (extradition) is an expensive and complicated process. Violation of the statute is a misdemeanor, and California is unlikely to try to extradite someone in order to try them for a misdemeanor charge. (This is an economic choice, not a legal restriction - I worked on a case when I was in Oregon where our client, at that time an Oregon resident, charged with a misdemeanor in California, managed to make the prosecutor angry enough that the various state & county agencies involved did jump through the hoops to request extradition.) >How is a merchant in, say, Finland, supposed to know that this law (or others >like it in any city, state, or country in the world) exists? By hiring an attorney, of course. :) This is a significant problem; in the past, it's been difficult enough to do business in far-away places that the only organizations likely to do so were large enough that they were able to pay people to keep track of applicable local rules. But now it's easy to advertise or do business worldwide, and it's very difficult to control which jurisdictions have access to your advertising materials. So it's likely that many people and organizations will unintentionally violate many laws in jurisdictions they're not familiar with. Hopefully the various enforcement agencies will take this into account when enforcing their laws. I wouldn't be surprised, frankly, if California never prosecutes anyone for violation of this law - it's hard to imagine that this will turn out to be an enforcement priority for anyone. It is, of course, still useful for selective enforcement, similar to laws against vagrancy or loitering or public drunkenness, where illegal behavior is usually ignored but vigilant enforcement is employed to punish or drive away people who are unpopular for an unrelated reason. If the legislators really wanted this to be enforced, they'd have given citizens a private right of action against offending web publishers. Then we'd see some excitement. C-Net's NEWS.COM has an article on the new law at <http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,6667,00.html>. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Timmy's Lost It: [Was Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice]
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:15 AM 1/3/97 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >As for my "elitism," I've never presented myself in any other fashion. I've >discussed this issue many times. Get used to it, or ignore it, or just keep >foaming at the mouth and ranting about how I need to take "yellow pills" to >avoid being an ally of "Bubba." I don't fault you for being "elitist." However, Rich Graves was right: I think that cryptoanarchy, while obviously eliminating taxation and income redistribution sounds cozy for economic elites, actually also eliminates the basis for those elites to be formed in the first place. To cite just one example that will hit close to home for you, without copyrights or patents (which are, obviously, monopolies enforced by governments) it would be far harder for companies such as Intel to maintain a near-monopoly on the DOS-compatible microprocessor market. And it has long been observed in libertarian discussion circles that far from hating regulation, most large (American; and others) corporations actually receive a net benefit from it as compared with smaller companies: The cost of complying with regulations doesn't increase linearly with the size of company, which means that those same regulations are a way of fighting competition if they are played right. Bring in crypto-anarchy and this effect is no longer operating. Despite all this, I still see nothing inconsistent in even an "elitist" pushing for crypto-anarchy: The current political system has become so dramatically inefficient and keeps so many people (through welfare, Socialist Insecurity, and government employment) well-fed through income redistribution, that I think finally even an "elitist" would be happy to chuck the whole system and adopt a crypto-anarchy-equalized system. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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by GroupWeb eJournal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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