December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: c2 internet accounts
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> writes: > Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl.com> writes: > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > SANDY SANDFORT > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > C'punks, > > > > On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > > > > > does c2net still offer internet accounts? I liked their > > > offer for internet accounts with a 5 mb web site via > > > telnet. does anyone else know of a place for cheap > > > telnet only accounts? > > > > C2Net no longer offers new shell accounts and we are phasing out > > pre-existing accounts. We still offer virtual web hosting. > > > > > > S a n d y > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > Check out Sameer's net.scum web page for some important information on C2. > > --- > > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM > Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps The above article was highly crypto- and cypher-punks relevant and not a flame. Sandy Sandfort tossed it in the "flames" bucket because Sameer is Sandy's employer. Sandy won't permit any criticism of his employer on the censored list - an obvious conflict of interest. Sandy even refers to C2Net as royal "we". Recall also that Sandy Sandford published an ass-licking article about Sameer in _Wired magazine without revealing that he works for Sameer. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Physician, Heal Thyself!
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

OKSAS <oksas(a)asimov.montclair.edu> writes: > On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > SANDY SANDFORT > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > C'punks, > > > > On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Anonymous wrote: > > > > > This is the stuff Sandy would presumably dump into > > > his "not fit for True Cypherpunks" pile, except that he wrote it, and so > > > is by definition approved. > > > > It was not approved for the moderated list. I sent my comments to the > > flames list where they belonged. (It went to the unedited list too, > > but that's fair game as well.) Sorry you didn't understand that. > > > > > And I urge our Enlightened Leader to take his own medicine. Stop flaming > > > the list and calling it mere commentary. > > > > So let me see if I've got this, this list should be open to all flamers > > EXCEPT me? Curious. At any rate, I am going to take anonymous' advice. > > I will largely refrain from addressing any of the garbage that ends up on > > the flame and spam lists. You guys are mostly just talking to yourselves > > anyway. > > So how would you define a flame??? Seems more REASONABLE minds > want to know???? Oksas, as you see your innocent question was classified as "flame" and dumped into "cyperpunks-flames", as are most questions about the moderator's abuse. Like many homosexuals, Sandy Sandford harbors a pathological hatred of women and is always glad to shut one up. I hope he gets AIDS soon. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Cats Out of Bags
by Angooki Taipu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> David Aaron seems to make lying out of his ass a hobby. His >talk at the RSA conference was such a load of bullshit it wasn't even >funny. > "Other governments were upset with the 56-bit export >allowance. They said it was going to undermine their national >security." I'm sure a few countries are upset because the US policy may in some way impede their citizens ability to adopt STRONG cryptography and secure their information infrastructure, thus injuring their national security. Remember, Aaron is employee of the government. He talks in doublespeak, Angooki Taipu atb(a)purple.reddesign.com

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Re: Best Computer School?
by Erp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > ichudov(a)algebra.com writes: > > > moscow state university in russia is not bad also. > > > > they teach lots of theory... which is good. > > > > - Igor. > > > > Do they have a master's program in computer science? :-) --- I looked up on Moscow State University the other day, after having seen the message which brought this question. So yes, they do have a Master's program in Computer Science, at least they claim to have one. Erp > > --- > > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM > Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps >

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:40 PM 1/27/97 -0500, Phillip M. Hallam-Baker wrote: > > >jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> wrote in article <5ch9f2$cuu(a)life.ai.mit.edu>... > >> Look, I've proposed what I consider to be a remarkably consistent method to >> prevent the kind of political tyranny that you criticize, and I don't see >> any recognition of this fact. > >Thats because its a whacko solution that has no credibility >or consistency. "I love you too! B^) Question: What is a "whacko solution"? Why do you believe AP qualifies? Can you list any other "solutions" which are, indeed, "solutions" which are NOT "whacko" by your definition? (I'm trying to determine whether or not you even agree that there is a problem!) Let me pose an issue here by counterexample: Suppose there was a plantation, containing a master and his slaves. You are told that the slaves are "unhappy". (They're unhappy because they're slaves!!!) That's a "problem." Okay, let me propose that there are at least two broad "solutions" to this "problem": First, change the working conditions just enough to make the slaves acceptably happy. Or, second, eliminate the slavery altogether. Both are "solutions". The first, obviously, is only a "solution" from the stanpoint of the master. The second appears to be only a "solution" from the standpoint of the slaves, since the master obviously doesn't want to lose his slaves! Could you legitimately call the second solution a "whacko solution"? (It would be, from the limited standpoint of the master.) How about the first? That's the problem with using such a poorly-defined term as "whacko" to describe anything, particularly when many people don't agree. And here's a question: What do you mean by "credibility"? I've explained it in enough detail to convince a rather substantial number of intelligent people that it is likely to be possible, and to some it sounds like it is desireable. >If anyone tried to set up such a market and a price went out >on any of the heads of state fantasized about Mr Bell would be >dead as a doornail in a week. A claim which doesn't disprove the functionality of AP one whit. In fact, quite the opposite: If AP was, indeed, non-functional, then nobody would bother with me at all. The fact that you think they would shows that you believe AP threatens SOMEBODY. This means that your arguments, as minimal as they are, are internally contradictory. They simply don't hold together. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Getting into MIT is impossible
by Erp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I noted with some interest, but little surprise, that the guy claiming MIT > required a 4.0 GPA and a 1600 combined SAT score could barely spell, and > had major problems making a coherent point. Methinks this is why MIT > rejected him, not his lack of a "1600." ... Not to point out something obvious about this but the person who wrote this did not have "guts" enough or, just likes his privacy a bit more than the average person, to come out and write this non-anonymously. But since that isn't why I am writing this, I'll leave off of it for now. ... The reason I am writing this is because I am "the guy claiming MIT required a 4.0 GPA and a 1600 combined SAT score." I was informed this by my school counselor, along with many other things which are as equally "obnoxious" to my possible college acceptances. -- I did point out though, in my letter, that my connection was experiencing sever lag for some reason. I did narrow that down to being because my servers call in server and account server where on two different networks. Another point to this is that in my family I am the best speller. It is possibly genetic, but it is mostly because of where I grew up and the other "backwoodsy" things of my "youth". Now I realise this sounds like a bunch of excuses and such, and yes I guess it is, but I can if I sit down and think about something for a milli second longer than normal, and don't let my left hand out race my right hand, type things with propper grammer and spelling to my current extent. Now if the one who did post that "anonymously" would be so kind as to say such "brave" statements outloud without his or her precious "anonymousity" it would be much appreciated. Other than that, I do believe that is about it to this later. Goodnight and fare you "well" Erp ps -- please excuse the quotes, I was using them for mor eaccenting and well for words that fit in my own way. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Check my poetry page if you would like to see more of my bad spelling and horrendous grammer at: http://www.digiforest.com/~erp/poetry.html

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Re:re : Best Computer School?
by iamme 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

what about purdue and caltech ? anyone has Carnegie Mellon University (C.M.U.) in Pittsburgh www ? he he man > From owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Wed Jan 29 14:57 SGT 1997 > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:23:53 -0500 > From: Matthew Toth <mst114(a)psu.edu> > To: SpyKing <spyking(a)thecodex.com> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: Best Computer School? > > MIT is one the best schools in the country for C.S. > Close behind is Carnegie Mellon University (C.M.U.) in Pittsburgh, > PA. (the folks who put out CERT.) Not sure how much Crypto they do, though. > >

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Re: News report RE:RSA Data Security Conference, pointer
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't think CNET has any idea what they're talking about. Perhaps they mean the Burns bill? I was over at Burns' office yesterday, and Pro-CODE hasn't been reintroduced yet -- they're looking for more co-sponsors -- so that's not even correct. *shrug* I have a report on this at netlynews.com in the Afterword section, BTW. -Declan On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 aaron(a)herringn.com wrote: > Report on RSA data security conference. Mentions 'Legislation in Congress > could ban mandatory key storage', anyone know what they're referring to? > > http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,7437,00.html > > > >

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Phillip M. Hallam-Baker" <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> writes: > The Cold War was not won by the arms race, it was won in > Eastern Europe which was never a major participant. The main > instrument that won it was West German TV which broadcast > pictures of supermarkets with full shelves into the homes > of East Germans every night. The viewers could see that it > was not mere propaganda and their relatives confirmed the > fact. As a result the East German guards on the Berlin wall > simply decided to leave their posts one night. Do a lot of Americans really believe such things? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Last nail for US crypto export policy?
by Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 f_estema(a)alcor.concordia.ca wrote: [stuff] > > Incidentally, I remind you of the results of the moot court that was held > at one of the CFP conferences, where a GAK case was tried in front of > real federal judges by real lawyers. Our side lost. > Um. Actually the real judges didn't render an opinion (in public) since they might have to rule for real someday and would probably be conflicted out if they had ruled on the merits in a mock trial. The opinions were by a shadow panel of law professors, and they disagreed, 2-1. == The above may have been dictated via Dragon Dictate 2.51 voice recognition. Please be alert for unintentional word substitutions. A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | U. Miami School of Law | froomkin(a)law.miami.edu P.O. Box 248087 | http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | It's warm here.

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