December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: Airport security [no such thing]
by Internaut 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

snow wrote: > I say we make people fly naked and ship their stuff via UPS ;). >>shudder<< No!. A clear case of the cure being worse than the disease... I was just kidding. We do have to take on risks, like people wearing clothes, carring packages, ect. As Igor Chudov @ home wrote recently in the Newt's phone calls thread: > I would not be worried about this issue at all. The world at large is > insecure in very many respects: it is easy to find out credit card > numbers, overhear conversations, install hidden microphones, hack > into computers, etc etc. It does not mean that we should stop all > activity simply because there is "some" risk of losses. We have two seemingly conflicting desires: the desire for security and the desire for privacy. I do not call being searched "privacy" yet I do not call not being searched "security". We need to find creative resolutions to these conflicts. Of course, it is debatable if there is even an expectation of privacy on an airplane. I don't mind terrably being searched in an airport by security because I don't expect the privacy. I expect security. I don't want to die. If I have things I don't want them to see, there are other ways to get it there. I would worry if they cataloged what I had in a database and sold it to others. The service is just that -a service. It is not a right. We can travel other ways, too. My late night ramblings cease, Internaut

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1997 Mac Crypto Conf registration
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: mac-crypto(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)webstuff.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:33:11 -0800 From: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)webstuff.apple.com> To: Multiple recipients of <mac-crypto(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: 1997 Mac Crypto Conf registration -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- hey all; I have posted a registration webpage for the 1997 Mac Crypto Conf at http://www.vmeng.com/mc/conf.html If you plan to give a talk there, I am looking for abtracts by end of Jan thanks Vinnie Moscaritolo http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A - ------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Pretty Safe Mail 1.0 iQCVAwUBMtvcsfMF2+rAU+UdAQFOogP/R1/WmmAi3oEgLsC1il1OKf+7jR9j4L5U tAvhZIB6nyYpuHdP1fZ+/KfyCi4fYDmHIO4wVJo1BfbUtYL0YkIqzw/00JM8zfHR Zm9pcjSo70EDZPuypYyH+t0RlXJZj1eU0KjhAtRGeeWxAhP686wWCvz8hW4f2VfX uiLObXiqXiw= =faEk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://offshore.com.ai/fc97/ "If *you* don't go to FC97, *I* don't go to FC97"

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Re: Get me off this fucking list, or else.... (fwd)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Either a) You don't follow directions very well (since you're still on the list, and since the software works just fine for people who can follow directions or consider spelling to be unimportant), or b) The mailing list daemon is broken (happens sometimes, but usually that gives you no traffic), or c) The mail you're sending doesn't have your correct headers on it (e.g. looks like it's from res(a)pc43.unidyne.uni.pt instead of res(a)unidyne.uni.pt) in which case you may need human help, or d) Somebody doesn't like you and subscribed you to the list because it's well-known to be a high-volume mailing list, and they keep subscribing you after you unsubscribe, in which case harassing the 1300+ people who _do_ want to be on the list is not a good thing to do. So send mail to majordomo(a)toad.com, saying "help" and RFTM. At 04:31 PM 1/17/97 +0000, Rodrigo Espirito Santo wrote: > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:30:25 +0000 (GMT) >From: Rodrigo Espirito Santo <res(a)unidyne.uni.pt> >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: Get me off this fucking list, or else.... > >Hey you dumb asses, i tried to unsubscribe this list in the correct way >but you guys don't know SHIT about this!!!!1 >If you don't get me out now i'll subscribe each and every one of you to >some goddamn gay and lesbiann and freak mailing list!!!!!! >get me out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: National Security State has different standards for 'them' and 'us'
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:48 PM 1/16/97 -0500, Brad Dolan wrote: >I was distracted a bit but I believe I heard on NPR news this morning that >Colorado Guv. Roy Roemer showed up at an airport sans id and had a moment >of difficulty getting on his flight. Roemer solved the problem by showing >the Federal Permission-To-Fly checker a picture of himself in a recent >newspaper. >I thought the ill-defined (or ill-described) rules required presentation >of a _government_ picture I.D. Since when is a newspaper photo a >government picture I.D.? No, they don't, though the airlines like you to think that since it simplifies their life and it's something they can tell $5/hour bag checkers as well as higher-paid gate agents. There is no national rule that applies to everybody requiring it; each airline apparently has to negotiate with the FAA to make sure they're doing a "reasonable" job of identifying their passengers. The airline is free to make whatever rules they want. On United, I normally use my employee ID and the credit card I use to buy the electronic-ticket, which verifies reasonably well that I'm the person the ticket was bought for (by the people who told the airline they're my employer's travel agents.) If the _government_ required _you_ to have government ID, there'd be serious Constitutional problems with it; regulating interstate commerce and air traffic safety by forcing the airlines to do something they'd kind of like to do anyway doesn't have the same problems, even though it's almost _more_ offensive to a free society. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: IMDMP: SOURCE CODE RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENT
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > I suppose you want a special censored list where everyone who uses > > the word "fuck" in relation to your good self or any other member of > > this list you agree with has their posting cut? > > No, I don't want censored anything. "Cypher punks" have degenerated into > a moderated forum where those who dare criticize His Royal Majesty John > the Cocksucker and his court are forcibly unsubscribed, while all sorts > of vile insults directed at John's many "enemies" are encouraged. I quite agree, there is something most definitely wrong with this whole situation, still, at least there are some crypto-relevant people on the "cryptography" mailing list. cypherpunks still has worthwhile nuggets on it but I must say the list has gone downhill sharply since the start of the censorship. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: Newt's phone calls
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > GSM includes A5 encryption here, so basically the whole design is worked out > - all you'd have to do is rip out the A5 chip and replace with a decent > encryption system. Anyone know how modular the design is, for instance if > it would be possible to give a GSM A5 based cell phone a crypto upgrade > using published electrical interface standards? (I want one of those - > Nokia phone with IDEA + 2048 bit RSA signatures + DH forward secrecy!) My guess is that this would not work. Does anyone know if when you use a GSM phone to call a landline number the cellphone<-> base station trafic is encrypted??? my guess is that only when you call GSM to GSM is the trafic encrypted and even then I would imagine each phone agrees a key with the base station for the network then the trafic between the base stations is cleartext. The only way, if this were the case, would be to write the code so that the headers and other network information like SIM ID number etc... were cleartext or just A5 to the network as standard and only the actual speech data was encrypted under something stronger. This approach could become troublesome, if I have time I`ll get hold of some GSM specifications and look at it more closely. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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ftp sites for Applied Cryptography 2E.
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

All the ftp sites I've found with the source code from Applied Cryptography had the source code from the first edition. I assume there are changes and additions to the source code in the second edition. Are there any ftp sites with the the newer code?

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Eudora PGP
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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