December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Dr. Vulis' social engineering experiment
by Alec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:27 AM 1/21/97 -0600, you wrote: :Jane Jefferson wrote: :> :> The heart and soul of the problem is that "sin", "freedom", "good", :> and "evil" are abstract concepts which fluctuate from individual to :> individual. : :An excellent point, Jane. Worth remembering. : : - Igor. Not only from individual to individual. Please consider the changes in the concepts of "sin", "freedom", "good", and "evil" which occur over <italic>time even within the same individual</italic>; to wit the on and off again love affair with our nation's past "enemies; individual responses to drug use especially alcohol; premarital sex (ok for me but not my daughter). This constant flux within both society and individual makes creation and implementation of rules extremely difficult and hazardous. Alec

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[NOISE] Re: Dr. Vulis' social engineering experiment
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:35 PM 1/20/97 -0800, Toto wrote: > In short, I believe that if the issue of free speech is not one of >the central issues on the CypherPunks list, then the list is merely >one more heartless, unfeeling extension of the Great Machine which >is grinding inexorably forward toward the day when we will all have >its numbers tattoo'd on our forearms. That machine will be the SIXTH model made by a little firm on the thirteenth floor of an office building. It will operate on several thousand 6X86 processors. It will operate either on MSDOS 6.0 or UNIX V6R4, depending on how soon it is completed. And it won't be our forearms, we can cover those with sleeves. It will be our brow. (please excuse the spelling).

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Re: "Technical data" exemptions in new crypto regs
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:17 AM 1/21/97 -0500, Richard L. Field wrote: ... > I read the new regs as permitting: (i) publication of source code in >paper form (including publications reproduced on microfilm or on prerecorded >phonograph records), or in the form of a motion picture film and soundtrack >(section 734.3(b)(2)); and, separately, (ii) teaching or discussion of >information "about" cryptography (section 744.9). The export of other >encryption materials (including the distribution to non-US persons of source >or object code on diskettes) is restricted, even if the materials are >publicly available "educational information" for release by instruction in >catalog courses and associated teaching laboratories of academic >institutions (section 734.9). ... This has often reminded me of something that occurred around 1776. I can't remember if it was before or after. Remember how the colonies got sophisticated spinning gear? I believe it was spinning gear. Great Britain had a ban on the export of functional models, diagrams or manufacturing instructions to one particular class of equipment. This was so that they could maintain the monopoly on cheaply made cloth, holding the outlying colonies in line by maintaining a dependancy. One man memorized the structure of one of these machines and then came to the American shores, where he reproduced it workably. I can't remember the name of the man or the machine, just that it was used in the manufacture of cloth, the "spinning jenny" i think. Nor can I remember the date.

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Re: Dr. Vulis' social engineering experiment
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:35 AM 1/21/97 -0500, Jane Jefferson wrote: >Governments, however, are made up of the very same people who claim >to require these rights to privacy. Those people create, codify and >enforce the laws. The problem is that the people who find themselves in >this position of power are not always the most moral or concerned with >the best interest of the majority. > >And fiendishly, it is the very chaos and anarchy and random chance >espoused by proponents of the cypherpunk philosophy that allows these >people to gain this power, unchecked! > >Thus, the real problem ends up being not "how to control the government >so that the government doesn't control us", but "how to deal with the >government when it goes into control-freak mode". That it will go into >such a mode is a given -- based on human nature and history. This is >a fundamental cycle of evolution and human behavior. We have to face >the fact that humans are predators, and as long as we are, the >cycle of this behavior will continue. Also, remember, that those people willing to put up with the responsibility of leadership are more often more extreme control freaks than the rest of the population. Persons asked on the street if they wanted to be president of the United States have often said no way, yet every four years we have at least two people willing to put up with the hassle in order to be the most powerful man in the country. What we need is a leader who is willing to put up with it for h[is/er] people/cause, but has no desire to stay any longer than absolutely necessary. Then we need another just like h[im/er] for the next term.

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For Your Information
by manager＠usaphone.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: GSM technology
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Nurdane Oksas <oksas(a)asimov.montclair.edu> writes: > On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > Nurdane Oksas <oksas(a)asimov.montclair.edu> writes: > > > > > ADSL will be the best for movies... i can't wait . > > > > What kind of movies? > > You're too young to watch these..:) I'm older than you... Do you mean I'm too old to watch these? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: The Adult Chamber of Commerce is now open
by BUSINESS＠VNET.NET 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: GSM crypto upgrade? (was Re: Newt's phone calls)
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>This is the approach taken by PGPfone also. If the value of the >>conversations was high (>$100,000?) passable voice imitation wouldn't >>be that hard I suspect. > >I have long considered how easy it would be to use a sound card to modify >the human voice to match within certain tolerances the voice of another. > >There are currently on the market, phones specifically designed to modify >the voice of the user so that kids can answer as adults, women can answer as >thier own protective boyfriends, bosses can answer anonymous calls as the >secretary, etc... > >There are currently on the market keyboards that allow you to sample some >real world sound and use it as a voice in your music, (the model I saw, a >toy produced by Radio Shack, simply sped up or slowed down the sound to >achieve this.) > >I have thought, if a machine were to take the incoming voice, analize >(apologies for spelling) it to get a spectrum signature, a pattern that can >be added or subtracted from another, and could then add the difference >between that and the victims signature to the users voice, then real-time, >on-the-fly con jobs would be easy. > >The only thing that the user would be responsible for would be the accent, >and the day-to-day vocabulary of the victim. > >I told a friend about this and he confirmed that such was available if you >knew where to look. A friend of mine, an expert on signal processing, vocei systhesis and recognition, showed me a journal article (think it was an IEEE) in 1990 of some university researchers who had prototyped just such a device. Never followed up, but it seems entirely reasonable a practicle. In fact I'm surprised that Hollywood hasn't latched onto this in order to dub film stars to different languages w/o loosing their recognizable voice characteristics. --Steve

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No Subject
by mixmaster＠remail.obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is there a moderated list available which expunges only Dale? The good Dr., though vicious, is really quite clever, though vicious. Dale is only a bore. Only. Hugs to all.

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[ANNOUNCEMENT] Accounts payable
by mixmaster＠remail.obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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