December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Best Computer School?
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan McCullagh wrote: > > Let me plug Carnegie Mellon University, which consistently ties with > MIT and one of them California schools for first place in computer > science. You must be joking. After all you've said about the school, you're recommending it? Isn't "Mr. L-18 Tag" the head of the department now? Anyway, our correspondent is asking the wrong question. There is no "best" school. If you want to be a brilliant programmer, I think you have to be born that way. If you want theory, you need to be specific about your research interests. If you want mass-marketable experience in Windoze, avoid the big-name schools, which tend to treat Windows with the respect is deserves. (At Stanford, despite having a very nice Paul Allen Center for Integrated Systems and a posh new Bill Gates Information Sciences building, all instruction is done in Think C or UNIX.) -rich

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Re: Trigger-Words...
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In> harka(a)nycmetro.com writes: >does anybody know any contact points/Web pages, where I might get >some information on e-mail filtering via trigger-words? I am >interested in how this technology specifically works and a >acollection of trigger-words would be nice too :) Actually, I might not have chosen the correct words for what I wanted... I am looking for sniffer-programs, that analyze e-mail traffic on the Net and filtering out all e-mails potentially interesting for _intelligence services_. For example, I've heard, that if an e-mail contains the words: "assassinate President" (DISCLAIMER: I hope, our President lives a long and happy life, even after his impeachment...:)), it will automatically get filtered and checked out by the Secret Service. Different intelligence agencies might have similar things in place. Where could I get some more information about that? Thanks in advance... Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! --> http://www.eff.org */ /* E-mail: harka(a)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail preferred) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMunaiDltEBIEF0MBAQHVFAf/TbYVKOSoH4G0GRaHcJJDREUbzkr4nczs Vi7EMagZci3FRx0atVAkMz4GNwBYCf5CJdnDTIR7tOADs1OamMIRhsGV00r3ZbCB dAWTKbjKcXHno+Eztmelk9P5F50ryP2B25mjWT2CJDTZqyml6Bhe5AW8K0lSDPfw AHCGPk701pXB62POXf2rwccQusOFAMaR4X/44xcOdamrWBsKJKaE1Sz/wvzvzxob 7t8Dh7x48oEgMQ68cQz2luZlZlIUzHV3x0npZNetYbEzRTKMEITXfKqzb0iG8pfD r1K13Jlr4Li93f59OKci5Rrz6eiCIvXlII9w4o2ejYJp8EPZdNsTKg== =Mh6f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: Fighting the cybercen
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting In:dthorn@gte.net to Harka <=- > The Cold War was not won by the arms race, it was won in > Eastern Europe which was never a major participant. The main > instrument that won it was West German TV which broadcast > pictures of supermarkets with full shelves into the homes > of East Germans every night. The viewers could see that it > was not mere propaganda and their relatives confirmed the > fact. As a result the East German guards on the Berlin wall > simply decided to leave their posts one night. In> That's it? The system collapsed because the guards left their posts? In> And no mutiny charges? Incredible. Actually not quite right. On November 9th, 1989 the East-German government established a new law (under pressure from the demonstrating public), that would allow every East-German to go _up to_ 30 days/per year to a western country. Visas to do so would be given out without problems, effective immediately. At the evening press-conference however, the government speaker Guenther Schabowskie (can't recall his exact position at that time) introduced that new law and then he made the BIG error: after hearing the new provisions of the new travel law, a foreign journalist stood up and asked him "Does _that_ mean, that every East-german citizen could right now go to the western border and gain free entry to West-Germany (or West-Berlin) without problems?" And my man Guenther was looking desperately in all his papers (funny as hell! :)) and then, after finding no pre-made answer, he said: "Yeah, I guess so!"... After which the journalists sped out and cabeled their interpretation of the situation: "The wall is open!". Which in fact was quite a dangerous situation then, cause East-Germans heard that and actually went to the west-german border (and West-Berlin as well). The Border-Control guards however were even less informed then my man Guenther :), with the difference, that they had the order to shoot in case of "Desertion of the Republic". But faced with hundreds of people, who were all talking about some new travel law, they just shrugged and opened the gates without being stupid (they after all, were mostly young men in 1 1/2 or 3 year military service/draft, who were normal people just like everybody else). In fact, for acting in such a way, a lot of people gave them flowers and champaigne later on in that wild night of celebration... Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! --> http://www.eff.org */ /* E-mail: harka(a)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail preferred) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMunadDltEBIEF0MBAQHw5Af9FTchTTk9/G6Nq/StYwwLv3vt5hFmNUjn jyS5eDOM2rlh9107Awv4TwdGnV43RlJVKvNSnYUOg+dRiYhysewfyyJ4klmmsTBP x+9Cn81o1Jqeqp5aovP52YLgdCKUL9l7BOnvQsXzJIJRglj1KC/Hr+5kXWNsyI6l wN7WSnFPLJ0c+q5QXkkpQfWUj4LwOZItbh+I2Sy+kIdJuhVi66L45oCkJyHwfq2+ SgbuqaGabAGVakOMl53yffuhc6TXKcWcs30Vi2axwqXE//hlwO/NFg/OaoMUz+6i fJZmUtI33iCpsTtELPZzIqeP7DM13CaZ5u1r4URVWUOdXFDRs9Hytw== =YiP5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: Libel & the 1st Amendment
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:42 PM 1/28/97 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >It has been asserted by at least one member that the 1st Amendment protects >libelous or other defamatory speech. Defamation is not protected by the First Amendment; but the First Amendment limits the application of defamation law in many circumstances. For example, the First Amendment requires plaintiffs to prove "actual malice" if they are a public official, public figure, or a private person seeking punitive damages. So if you want to think of defamatory statements as those which are false and injurious to someone's reputation, yes, the First Amendment protects some of them. (By definition, defamation is outside the protection of the First Amendment, but I get the impression that you're not trying to use it as a term of art.) >This is hokem. The 1st most certainly does not protect lies in any form. The First Amendment protects some lies. As Justice Powell wrote for the majority in _Gertz v. Robert Welch_, 418 U.S. 323, 339 (1974): "Under the First Amendment, there is no such thing as a false idea. However pernicious an opinion may seem, we depend for its correction not on the conscience of judges and juries, but on the competition of other ideas. But there is no constitutional value in false statements of fact. Neither the intentional lie nor the careless error materially advances society's interest in "uninhibited, robust, and wide-open" debate on public issues. New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. at 270. They belong to that category of utterances which "are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality." Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568, 572 (1942). "Although the erroneous statement of fact is not worthy of constitutional protection, it is nevertheless inevitable in free debate. As James Madison pointed out in the Report on the Virginia Resolutions of 1798: "Some degree of abuse is inseparable from the proper use of every thing; and in no instance is this more true than in that of the press." 4 J. Elliot, Debates on the Federal Constitution of 1787, p. 571 (1876). And punishment of error runs the risk of inducing a cautious and restrictive exercise of the constitutionally guaranteed freedoms of speech and press. Our decisions recognize that a rule of strict liability that compels a publisher or broadcaster to guarantee the accuracy of his factual assertions may lead to intolerable self-censorship. Allowing the media to avoid liability only by proving the truth of all injurious statements does not accord adequate protection to First Amendment liberties. As the Court stated in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, supra, at 279: 'Allowance of the defense of truth, with the burden of proving it on the defendant, does not mean that only false speech will be deterred.' "The First Amendment requires that we protect some falsehood in order to protect speech that matters." and Justice Brennan, in _NAACP v. Button_ 371 U.S. 415, 444 (1963): "For the Constitution protects expression and association without regard to the race, creed, or political or religious affiliation of the members of the group which invokes its shield, or to the truth, popularity, or social utility of the ideas and beliefs which are offered." So, yes, the First Amendment protects some lies. According to your hypothesis, the country should be collapsing around us any day now because of it. Last one out turn off the lights, ok? -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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COO_kin
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

1-29-97. NYP: GAK-czar cooks key hooks. FBI cooks lab books. ----- COO_kin

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More Circumventing the ITAR
by Mark Rosen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm curious as to exactly what the ITAR/EAR/Whatever says specifically about "unrestricted FTP sites." My program, Kremlin, is available for download at the web page below. On my web page, I have some stuff in bold print that informs about the ITAR and tells people to go away if they're not from the US or Canada. Does this count as an unrestricted FTP site? It's not all that much different from what MIT has up for PGP. Also, back to the question of registration numbers. A registration number is just a string of letters and numbers, and is essentially the same as a friendly letter; it contains no cryptographic code. For all anyone knows, I could just be charging for pseudo-random numbers, again, nothing of cryptographic significance. Is it illegal for me to mail someone outside of the US or Canada a registration code? Thanks for any help. Mark Rosen FireSoft - http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/2690 Mark Eats AOL - http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/6660

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Re: Machine readable form (was:RE: [DES] DES Key Recovery Project, Progress Report #7)
by David Lesher / hated by RBOC's in 5 states 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Phil Karn sez: > > This seems clear enough. If it's printed on paper, it's kosher for > export. But if we're really overt about it, we may goad the government > into attempting to control printed source code as well. That could > prove most interesting. I wonder where the ADA-approved Large Print for the vision-impaired edition falls. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: [DES] DES Key Recovery Project, Progress Report #7
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:10 PM 1/28/97 -0800, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: >At 08:31 PM 1/27/97 -0800, Phil Karn wrote: >>And lacking that, the author can always print it out on paper and >>physically mail it out of the country; this is specifically allowed by >>the new Commerce rules as I understand them. And who's to say that the >>overseas FTP copies weren't scanned from such a paper copy? :-) > >At least one PGP site overseas did that - some German university >scanned in a copy of the MIT Press publication of PGP source. >The PGP 3.0 Pre-Alpha code is now available, on paper, from PGP Inc. Do you have an URL to the scanned source? -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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Re: [DES] DES Key Recovery Project, Progress Report #7
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:31 PM 1/27/97 -0800, Phil Karn wrote: >And lacking that, the author can always print it out on paper and >physically mail it out of the country; this is specifically allowed by >the new Commerce rules as I understand them. And who's to say that the >overseas FTP copies weren't scanned from such a paper copy? :-) At least one PGP site overseas did that - some German university scanned in a copy of the MIT Press publication of PGP source. The PGP 3.0 Pre-Alpha code is now available, on paper, from PGP Inc. Selling copies of PGP overseas, even if exported this way, might count as "providing a defense service", if that's still illegal now that crypto export laws have been moved to Commerce Dept. On the other hand, indemnifying people against copyright suits from your company _doesn't_ sound like it.... :-) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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PGP Key Preview...
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi there, is there a way to preview the contents of a received public key, without adding it automatically to the public key ring? Thanks a lot in advance... Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! --> http://www.eff.org */ /* E-mail: harka(a)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail preferred) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMunrbjltEBIEF0MBAQEisgf+OBS8Q06g3pNfKgntaKQdCkHyLXZWHjI7 hOnVeF47C0qgsFjEEymnrQMl4b1l2zcRgqUKTY8jXhmaY6yeGcoRXc5hgo1679MY l+7BTNKIy2YTnzjhFk5bOKXk6V9DDWfq4chhCE2dpEVdUgRPVTfkfbm5VEN+zmn8 gaXyIf/bYv5GEs2F/FPc1kTmySx/NT5CvbvQRHaQdfEDk+QatnRjRLSsprln8cnt vxqZO9a6lveygA/wECPdx1gnHBhrscUeaLHIXz4YVVaSMrkEHJfLWOrzQHg2CGwQ o5OcKmuY0FcvzfpS2Yo0/lA8+/Ez83yUAdeEeY+yF7p2XgrLaOiFnw== =o/jO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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