December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Newt's phone calls
by Clay Olbon II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:48 PM 1/14/97 -0800, you wrote: >It is also possible that somewhere in the chain of information between >mom&pop, the media, and us, the distinction between "cordless phone" >and cellular phone. I gather it was a conference call that was >intercepted. All it takes is one participant using a cordless phone in >range of one scanner, and the whole conversation is compromised. The congressman (Boehner? from Ohio) whose cellphone was "eavesdropped" stated today that he was parked in the lot of a Waffle House in Lake City FL. The couple said that they just happened to be driving by when they overheard and began taping the conversation. I have a problem with making it illegal to listen to parts of the electromagnetic spectrum. Seems sort of unnatural. Maybe they will decide that people who can see the color green will go to jail next ;-) Technological solutions are much more elegant. Of course, they are not nearly as sexy as legal remedies (I can't wait to see if the congressman who gave it to the Times is indicted!) Clay ******************************************************* Clay Olbon olbon(a)ix.netcom.com sys-admin, engineer, programmer, statistitian, etc. **********************************************tanstaafl

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Leaving the infowar list.
by null＠infowar.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Karn case challenging crypto rules -- oral arguments online
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've placed my notes from and a report on last Friday's Karn crypto- hearing online in the "Afterword" section of netlynews.com. (Incidentally, Netly relaunched yesterday. Stop by and check it out). The oral arguments were a battle of metaphors: is the text of a cryptographic algorithm more like a tank guidance system or a Shakespearean sonnet? At one point Judge Williams compared a floppy disk to "a machine." Judge Ginsberg is known as somewhat of a libertarian, a fellow who home schools his child; he was considered for a Supreme Court seat until reports of marijuana use derailed his bid. Judge Williams is a conservative and a bit of a First Amendment purist -- at least in traditional media. I think it was Williams who (correctly) dissented in the _Turner_ "must carry" cable broadcasting case. -Declan --- Full text at "Afterword" -- http://netlynews.com/ United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Karn v. U.S. Department of State January 10, 1997 Ken Bass, attorney for Phil Karn: The government says this diskette cannot be exported. Period. They claim to make an argument that even though it is identical information, it's worth restricting this diskette... We submit that it is an arbitrary, capricious, and totally irrational decision for the government to draw such a distinction... Judge Ginsberg: Can the courts evaluate the military and security distinction between the disks and the book? Bass: The Supreme Court said it can. The mere intimation of national security is not some talismanic trump card. Judge Ginsberg: But that's not what they're doing. They're putting something on the munitions list. In what way can we say that's not significant militarily? Bass: Courts are not incompetent to review decisions to see if they're irrational... [...]

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17 Dec '03

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by leeasher＠gil.com.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by info＠softcell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy `C' May is so full of shit that some of it bursts out on this mailing list. /\ /\ + \______/ + / . . \ < / > \ \--/ / ------

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Re: Newt's phone calls
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:56 PM 1/14/97 -0500, Brad Dolan wrote: >Mmmm. I'm told that, on most cellphone calls, a scanner will present both >sides of the conversation on the same frequency. Usually one side will be >louder. Perhaps there's some feedback from a party's receiver back into >his transmitter? It's called duplex echo. Whenever you convert 2-wire audio to 4-wire (two pair) you're going to get a reflection. The cell-phone company can't perfectly match the impedances connecting to the local phonecos, and so a little signal gets reflected. Actually, this is desireable locally because it acts as feedback to the speaker, as long as the reflection is kept within reason. The result is that both sides of the communication are hearable in the radio signals. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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People Who Need People...
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was just going through a web service which, when you enter your city & zip, will bring up all the businesses within that geographical area - Leisure Travel Services etc., then further sub-categorized into Leisure: Restaurants (type: Greek, Italian, Chinese, etc.) Travel: Airlines, Hotels & Motels etc. plus further sub-categories. I was mulling over the all the info which can be quickly pulled up about these people and then remembered that these are not just individual persons whose info I'm looking at, but commercial establishments - companies with services & products which they are offering to anyone. So it's okay. (Why?) Because they *want* to be listed; they want information about themselves to be available to anyone (anyone with money to spend, that is). So it occurred to me: when you need money, you want everyone to know where you are.<g> This could be further generalized into: when you need something, you want everyone to know about it (in case anyone has a solution to your plight). What a different consideration it is, to think of persons separately from their place of business or trade, where they don't want anything to be known or broadcast (except at their individual discretion, consent, release, etc.) When you don't need anything - when you're full, satisfied, and happy - you want 'outsiders' to leave you alone. I think some people can really get confused as to where privacy begins and marketing ends (or is it the other way, I get confused <g>). I know it's happened on this list, where arguments have developed over the fine line of difference between contrasting "rights" to information - i.e, while in the workplace vs while in the front yard on the sidewalk of one's own house or walking around at the mall, etc. Allowance, consent, personal prerogatives, authority over one's decisions & choices - these concepts are all going to require much thought and refinement of demarcation, as the line between being closed or open to others, hidden or exposed, a little bit or a lot, here and/or there, becomes finer and finer while the "net" widens and grows. That is, those who in the past have not felt the need to think much about these things will now be confronted with the necessity of doing so; of considering precisely what the fine line of difference is between conflicting ideas about personal authority, privacy, and public access; what they think is right or wrong, acceptable or intolerable, just from the nature of the circumstances. (like Newt, for instance.) .. Blanc

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DCSB: The Internet Consumer -- 1996 in Review & Predictions for1997
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents David Kaufman FIND/SVP Emerging Technologies Research Group "The Internet Consumer -- 1996 in Review & Predictions for 1997" Tuesday, February 4, 1997 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA David is Managing Director of FIND/SVP's Emerging Technologies Research Group with specific responsibility for "The Internet Consumer - Continuous Market Advisory Service". The group provides numerous Fortune 500 companies with detailed research and analysis on behaviors and preferences of Internet consumers. Mr. Kaufman will discuss the Internet as a consumer platform. The growth of the Internet has been getting a lot of press, most of it based on speculation, not research. Although good data is hard to find, it does exist and can be used to approach the Interactive consumer. During 1996 it became true that Internet consumers, who paid for their own access, were one of the fastest growing market segments. Currently, home and small business users are driving the demand for interactive services such as online banking and financial planning. Users also expressed an interest in locating information on such diverse topics as travel, entertainment, parenting, and health. Starting in 1997 consumers will be able to access the net from more numerous locations and in different ways. Internet appliances such as WebTV will allow non-technology users to access the net. As critical mass develops, the net will become impossible to ignore for most marketers. Based on research and some industry insight, Mr. Kaufman will present FIND/SVP's predictions for the Internet Consumer in 1997 and beyond. Prior to joining FIND/SVP's Emerging Technologies Research Group, David was with BIS Strategic Decisions (now GIGA Information Group) at the time it was a division of NYNEX Corporation. He has been employed by Metaphor Computer Systems and XEROX Corporation in the marketing of the first technology products from the Palo Alto Research Center. David is a Graduate of the University of Wisconsin. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, February 4, 1997 from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $27.50. This price includes lunch, room rental, and the speaker's lunch. ;-). The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men, and "appropriate business attire" for women. We will attempt to record this meeting and put it on the web in RealAudio format at some future date We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, February 1, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston". If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Planned speakers for DCSB are: March Daniel Greenwood The Role of State Government in Digital Commerce April Stewart Baker Encryption Policy and Digital Commerce We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com> . For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . Looking forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Pretty Safe Mail 1.0 iQCVAwUBMtxDivgyLN8bw6ZVAQE49gP+OwzyhPKcYc8r8E4l8RYDUHJvvcPa9XvD UYPZ4CnpkT3Q3Y9IXI573I2zYnI7qXv6nckU+F9GSIH8k2DdItp3YNl6mvf8+vgB 2yFCqHEL82H0kR9+xUIepCwtqZLz8BoO1Ee4KJJZl451KuA2jvAO5+T4P/U2uBHH z8oh9U7F0Dk= =NZD0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox, e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://offshore.com.ai/fc97/

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