December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Pseudonym server: Jenaer Anonymous Service
by Lance Cottrell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:37 PM -0700 9/1/96, Lutz Donnerhacke wrote: >* stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: >It's strongly recomment to use a reply server to forward your requests to. >The server sends all outgoing messages via mixmaster chains. >(mixmaster(a)as-node.jena.thur.de can is always the first one in the chain). > This is very important. You don't want to send it your real address to deliver to. I strongly recommend using alt.anonymous.messages. A program called "newscan" is ideal for checking news based message pools. It scans news on a server of your choice, and saves messages based on criteria that you specify. -Lance ---------------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell loki(a)obscura.com PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. Mixmaster, the next generation remailer, is now available! http://www.obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html or FTP to obscura.com "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche ----------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Bernstein hearing: The Press Release
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:03 PM 9/18/96 -0700, John Gilmore wrote: >Judge Patel to Decide if Government Restrictions on >Cryptography Violate the First Amendment >San Francisco, CA -- On Friday, September 20, 1996, Judge Marilyn Hall >Patel will hold hearings in a case with far-reaching implications for >personal privacy, U.S. competitiveness, and national security. Mathematician >Daniel J. Bernstein, a Research Assistant Professor in the Department of >Mathematics, Statistics and Computer Science at the University of Illinois at >Chicago, has sued several Federal agencies on the grounds that the >agencies' requirement that he obtain a license prior to publishing his >ideas about cryptography violates his First Amendment right to freedom >of speech. [trimmed] >LEGAL ARGUMENTS > >* Any legal framework that allows a government bureaucrat to >censor speech before it happens is an unconstitutional prior restraint. >The government is not allowed to set up such a drastic scheme >unless they can prove that publication of such information will >"surely result in direct, immediate, and irreparable damage to our >Nation or its people" and that the regulation at issue is necessary >to prevent this damage. At the risk of being a devil's advocate, let me suggest that you are conceding too much even with the preceding paragraph. The 1st amendment says nothing about preventing speech which (even admittedly) would result in "direct, immediate, and irreparable damage to our nation or its people." Indeed, if you follow the news over the last 5-10 years, you see numerous examples of news items getting publicized (sometimes 30-40 years late) which might arguably have cause "irreparable damage." That recent revelation about the POWs being left in Korea would have been one such example. The intentional detonation of that H-bomb in 1954, knowing that prevailing winds would shower thousands of people with fallout was another. The US military's experimentation with chemical weapons on our own people after WWII is another. The fraud of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution is another. The Pentagon Papers incident is another. The Tuskeegee syphillis experiments on blacks which ended in 1972 was another. The massive pollution at decomissioned military bases. The Iran/Contra arms smuggling deals, along with the cocaine smuggling stories which are more recently being pursued, are yet another. I could list many more, but won't because of lack of space. But notice that, presumably, each and every one of these incidents was AT ONE TIME kept secret, arguably because it would be better for the country to do so. Thus, presumably it was thought or at least asserted that to reveal them would cause "damage to our nation or its people." The way you've written the paragraph I've quoted above, it appears that you are somehow acknowleding that there are certain circumstances where certain types of speech are controllable because they are "harmful," but you fail to explain how even this constitutional restiction is tolerable. Frankly, I don't see it! What you need to do is to be far more specific about such speech and exactly where it can be controlled. I should point out, also, that this is the second time I've mentioned this. You're doing us a disservice if you concede too much in this area. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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USA_exe (Kiddie porn on the Internet)
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sep 21, 1996 16:19:53, 'jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com>' wrote: >Pardon me, but what's wrong with this? Follow the news more closely, and >you'll hear of a group which is operating in southern Mexico, the "EPR," which >is killing off government employees, politicians, and police. True, they're >not implementing the mathematical, digital-cash basis behind AP, but they see >to be making good progress against the corruption which is Mexico. >Increase their productivity by a factor of 10, and the Mexican government would >be terrified. Increase it by 100, and the Mexican government would fall within >a few months. Jim's makes a good, if gruesome, point here, about the vicious realities of do-or-die AP, by even our own apple pie government. The Washington Post reports at length today on the Defense Department's disclosure yesterday of heretofore classified trainging manuals used in the School of the Americas to instruct Latino troops on killing a wide range of civilians for political purposes. To read "Army Instructed Latins On Executions, Torture," about your tax dollars working the AP angle: http://jya.com/usaexe.txt USA_exe

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USA_exe (Kiddie porn on the Net)
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sep 21, 1996 16:19:53, 'jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com>' wrote: >Pardon me, but what's wrong with this? Follow the news more closely, and >you'll hear of a group which is operating in southern Mexico, the "EPR," which >is killing off government employees, politicians, and police. True, they're >not implementing the mathematical, digital-cash basis behind AP, but they see >to be making good progress against the corruption which is Mexico. >Increase their productivity by a factor of 10, and the Mexican government would >be terrified. Increase it by 100, and the Mexican government would fall within >a few months. -------- Jim's makes a good, if gruesome, point here, about the vicious realities of do-or-die AP, by even our own apple pie government. The Washington Post reports at length today on the Defense Department's disclosure yesterday of heretofore classified trainging manuals used in the School of the Americas to instruct Latino troops on killing a wide range of civilians for political purposes. To read "Army Instructed Latins On Executions, Torture," about your tax dollars working the AP angle: http://jya.com/usaexe.txt USA_exe

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by mblvd＠telebase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: The GAK Momentum is Building...
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:56 AM 9/22/96, jim bell wrote: >But as usual, you ignore the obvious solution to the problem. Let's suppose >the amount of the fine is set at $1000 per day. Actuarially, this works out .... >Naturally, you won't even consider the possibility of going outside the >system to solve a problem. The rest of us notice that there are probably >thousands of terminally-ill people who would gladly act as a human kamikaze ... I get the feeling that the "standard form letter" for all such invocations of AP is turning out to be: "Suppose you owe somebody money. It is much cheaper just to use AP to have him killed." Indeed, this "simple" solution is ever so much cheaper than paying a fine, repaying a loan, fulfilling an obligation, whatever. (P.S. The hiring of terminally-ill kamikazes is an old one.) --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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William Torbitt (pseudonym)
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:53 AM 9/22/96, Dale Thorn wrote: >A few years ago, William Torbitt (pseudonym) wrote in part: "Penal codes >have had two historic purposes - to deter crime and reform the offender. >.....However, when the head of the National Police agency joins with a >handful of other govt. leaders, and they both in turn throw in with >organized crime to murder the president, and the people have an uneasy >feeling that something of this nature has taken place, it is only >natural that crime and violence increase, and the basic deterrent to >crime has broken down." (quote approximate) Presumably the same William Torbitt (psuedonym) who wrote the Samizdat-distributed "Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal." (One of the best treatments of the various swirling connections surrounding the JFK assassination and related CIA-Mob-Giancana-Hughes-Castro-etc. connections.) That Torbitt was a pseudonym has some connection to the themes of our list. It is believed by many--and it sounds plausible to me--that the actual author was a knowledgeable Texas attorney who had gained much familiarity with the facts of the case and, circa 1966-68, wrote his extended pamphlet "The Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal." Fearing likely sanctions, both professional and personal, he chose not to use his real name, and pamphlet circulated informally, without a formal publisher. (It is not written in a wacko-style, so I don't dismiss it as the ravings of a loon.) I haven't checked to see if its on the Web. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Assassination Politics, was Kiddie porn on the Internet
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:56 AM 9/22/96 -0400, Rabid Wombat wrote: > > >On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, jim bell wrote: > >> At 01:51 PM 9/17/96 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: >> >>On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Steve Schear wrote: >> >> >> >>> Someone wrote: >> >>> We've all heard these arguments, but are they true? Who says so, and how >> >>> can they be certain? Jim's suggestion has never, to my knowledge, been >> >>> tried on a consistant, large, scale. When all conventional alternatives >> >>> have been tried and fail, what have we or the starving children got to >> >>> lose? >> >> >> >>I think "Lord of the Flies" answers this question quite well. >> > >> >Does it? LOTF was fiction. Can you identify a recent instance in which a >> >non-governmental organization attempted to influence political/military >> >events via a concerted AP? >> > >Where is Jimmy Hoffa? And it worked! Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: USA_exe
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:23 AM 9/22/96 GMT, John Young wrote: >On Sep 21, 1996 16:19:53, 'jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com>' wrote: >>Pardon me, but what's wrong with this? Follow the news more closely, and >>you'll hear of a group which is operating in southern Mexico, the "EPR," which >>is killing off government employees, politicians, and police. True, they're >>not implementing the mathematical, digital-cash basis behind AP, but they >see >>to be making good progress against the corruption which is Mexico. >>Increase their productivity by a factor of 10, and the Mexican government would >>be terrified. Increase it by 100, and the Mexican government would fall within >>a few months. > > >Jim's makes a good, if gruesome, point here, about the vicious realities of >do-or-die AP, by even our own apple pie government. > > >The Washington Post reports at length today on the Defense Department's >disclosure yesterday of heretofore classified trainging manuals used in the >School of the Americas to instruct Latino troops on killing a wide range of >civilians for political purposes. >To read "Army Instructed Latins On Executions, Torture," about your tax >dollars working the AP angle: > >http://jya.com/usaexe.txt This article is so wonderfully appropriate to the discussion that I can't resist re-posting it here. I think the part about only discovering the problem in 1992 after 10 years is particularly precious. In addition, I notice that a listing of the appropriate targets these army people were supposed to "neutralize" are listed as: The manual on "Terrorism and the Urban Guerrilla" says that "another function of the CI agents is recommending CI targets for neutralizing. The CI targets can include personalities, installations, organizations, documents and materials ... the personality targets prove to be valuable sources of intelligence. Some examples of these targets are governmental officials, political leaders, and members of the infrastructure." full article posted below: The Washington Post, September 21, 1996, pp. A1, A9. Army Instructed Latins On Executions, Torture Manuals Used 1982-91, Pentagon Reveals By Dana Priest U.S. Army intelligence manuals used to train Latin American military officers at an Army school from 1982 to 1991 advocated executions, torture, blackmail and other forms of coercion against insurgents, Pentagon documents released yesterday show. Used in courses at the U.S. Army's School of the Americas, the manual says that to recruit and control informants, counterintelliigence agents could use "fear, payment of bounties for enemy dead, beatings, false imprisonment, executions and the use of truth serum," according to a secret Defense Department summary of the manuals compiled during a 1992 investigation of the instructional material and also released yesterday. A summary of the investigation and four pages of brief, translated excerpts from the seven Spanish-language manuals were released last night by the Defense Department, which recently has taken to making controversial information available in the evenings, after the deadlines of the prime-time network television news programs. The Army School of the Americas, long located in Panama but moved in 1984 to Fort Benning, Ga, has trained nearly 60,000 military and police officers from Latin America and the United States since 1946. Its graduates have included some of the region's most notorious human rights abusers, among them Roberto D'Aubuisson, the leader of El Salvador's right-wing death squads; 19 Salvadoran soldiers linked to the 1989 assassination of six Jesuit priests; Gen. Manuel Antonio Noriega, the deposed Panamanian strongman; six Peruvian officers linked to killings of students and a professor; and Col. Julio Roberto Alpirez, a Guatemalan officer implicated in the death of an American innkeeper living in Guatemala and to the death of a leftist guerrilla married to an American lawyer. The Defense Department said the school's curriculum now includes mandatory human rights training and it is an effective way to help promote military professionalism in a region where that concept is still nascent. "The problem was discovered in 1992, properly reported and fixed," said Lt. Col. Arne Owens, a Pentagon spokesman. "There have been a lot of great changes at the School of the Americas." When reports of the 1992 investigation surfaced this year during a congressional inquiry into the CIA's activities in Guatemala, spokesmen for the school denied the manuals advocated such extreme methods of operation, which were in violation of Army policy and law at the time they were in use. The 1992 investigation concluded the inclusion of the methods was the result of bureaucratic oversight. "It is incredible that the use ... since 1982 ... evaded the established system of doctrinal controls," said the report of the investigation, conducted by the office of the assistant to the secretary of defense for intelligence oversight. "Nevertheless, we could find no evidence that this was a deliberate and orchestrated attempt to violate DoD or Army policies." The manuals were complied by Army intelligence officials using "outdated instructional material without the required doctrinal approval" from the Army Intelligence School, the investigation report said. The material was based, in part, on training instructions used in the 1960s by the Army's Foreign Intelligence Assistance Program, entitled "Project X." The 1992 investigation also found the manual was distributed to thousands of military officers from 11 South and Central American countries, including Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Panama, where the U.S. military was heavily involved in counterinsurgency. One manual, entitled "Handling of Sources," also "discloses classified [informant] methodology that could compromise Army clandestine intelligence modus operandi," the 1992 investigation found. Another manual, entitled "Counterintelligence," contained "sensitive Army counterintelligence tactics, techniques and procedures." The Defense Department yesterday said the 1992 investigators found two dozen objectionable passages among the 1,169 pages of instruction. For instance, the manual entitled "Handling of Sources" says, "The CI [counterintelligence] agent could cause the arrest of the employees [informants] parents, imprison the employee or give him a beating" to coerce cooperation. On several occasions it uses the words "neutralization" or "neutralizing," which was commonly used at the time as a euphemism for execution or destruction, a Pentagon official said. The manual on "Terrorism and the Urban Guerrilla" says that "another function of the CI agents is recommending CI targets for neutralizing. The CI targets can include personalities, installations, organizations, documents and materials ... the personality targets prove to be valuable sources of intelligence. Some examples of these targets are governmental officials, political leaders, and members of the infrastructure." The Defense Department continues to try to collect the manuals but, as the 1992 investigation noted, "due to incomplete records, retrieval of all copies is doubtful." Rep. Joseph P. Kennedy II (D-Mass.), an advocate of closing the school, said in a statement last night that the manuals "show what we have suspected all along, that taxpayers' money has been used for physical abuse." Kennedy said, "The School of the Americas, a Cold War relic, should be shut down." [End] Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Kill 'em and let God sort it out, was Re: The GAK Momentum is Building...
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> jim bell wrote: >Naturally, you won't even consider the possibility of going outside the >system to solve a problem. The rest of us notice that there are probably >thousands of terminally-ill people who would gladly act as a human kamikaze >and get rid of any judge inclined to impose such a fine, for a payment of 1% >of this principle amount to a family member or loved one, leaving 99% >available for the few other judges foolish enough to basically commit >suicide by taking up a futile gesture. > If AP came to be seen as an acceptable way for business and citizens to right egregious wrongs it would quickly lead to a 'law of the jungle' situation, which I think any sane person would reject as the cure being worse than the disease. However, if governemnts (especially ours) continue to expand their implied authority and greatly diminishing personal liberties we all took for granted were inaliable human rights (in our own best interest, of course), a time may come when a bit of rebellion may be the only viable alternative for self-correction. I pray it never comes to this, but Thomas Jefferson contemplating this said: "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. . . .What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?. . .The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson, regarding Shay's Rebellion and anarchy. PGP Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Snoop Daty Data | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com Grinder | Voice: 1-702-655-2877 Sacred Cow Meat Co. | Fax: 1-702-658-2673 7075 W. Gowan Road, #2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- Just say NO to prescription DRUGS.

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