December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Internet Alert! Pay for local dial-up??
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

E-Mail Communications wrote: > See our "Patriotic Quotes That Make Sense" > at the end of this publication. > "We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will > always be prepared, so we may always be free." > -- President Ronald W. Reagan June 6, 1984 - Normandy, France What Ronald Reagan didn't say (but what he really meant): "I come here to Bitburg to honor the fallen Nazis, because I am in fact an honorary Nazi myself. Just ask my personal secretary Helen, who used to work for Fritz Kraemer."

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Re: Enlightened commentary on Netizen.
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 08:41 PM 2/6/97 -0800, Anil Das wrote: > However, the question has to be asked, why the fuck should we non US citizens go and buy > cryptographic software that is deliberately coded to allow the US government to read our mail? You shouldn't. Maybe someone should print up a batch of "Voyeur Enabled" stickers for all the GAKed products (or should that be KRAP products, since it is the Key Recovery Alliance, but that is redundant) we will be seeing at our local software stores. Sometimes I think the reason for all this snake oil we have been seeing is the Feds need it for extra lubricant so they don't chafe themselves while getting off on reading our mail. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAwUBMvyv1+QCP3v30CeZAQEGigf+PA45Q2ySEZ6iLwc8+fRURvXJRinStWwy oNGWKDnyYHFJ91L8Z+11oKvMov45CC4MOISy36/Oz2CY9qyq8l5L1wTU7J8CezsS 3QezDreJtUXr/OCmxRngOQbeHuGDkXuIocfTV7sZU/j7ARWj9hKCd39xf6J/MmZ6 zjKS7olJmzMMyJrAWaNo5zaW4g/ER8wJiI0zbakvrd/8Y+VJkiTN05znbIfLiOTV 0Olt/OaX4seWWNwZb5FaPv2y8ST3j+xm4Uv6fdc4Qo8QGWnGpuBAKo0D+q39KNkY Ps47vKyf2VwQM6Ci49/uuU8um/l9TmDsuHkYYmsoDfsGpcZImEWzZw== =Prg6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- | "Mi Tio es infermo, pero la carretera es verde!" | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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Re: anonymous remailers
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 8 Feb 1997, Jeremiah A Blatz wrote: > Ummm, if you run your own remailer, and don't get lots of people to > use it, then traffic analysis will reveal that you are the sender > quite quickly. It will pretty much make everything in the chain before > your remiler useless. If you send your message through remailers a, b, > c, and d like this: > > you -> a -> b -> c -> d -> alt.drugs.and-other-various-horsemen > > and only you use c, then your effective chain is: > > someone who could only be you -> d -> alt.drugs.and-other-various-horsemen This is assuming that it is a reasonable assumption that all traffic going through remailer c originated from the owner. If there is one non-corrupt remailer in the chain before c, then this would not be a valid assumption because traffic from the owner would be indistinguishable from traffic sent by anyone else. If the remailer has low traffic, the solution is, of course, to make it higher traffic. Chain a bunch of messages that get sent to /dev/null through the remailers, being sure to include c somewhere in the middle of the chain. If Mixmaster is used, then it would be virtually impossible to differentiate between "real" messages and messages destined for /dev/null. It would be a little easier with Type I since the size of the ciphertext decreases after each hop. This all assumes that encryption is being used, of course. Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMvyzcCzIPc7jvyFpAQHRpQf+LusfAS8dhDczpYTHGjgIRo38gPHeDdVn +qmmikRNravoEiPD9GIrZ4OeYKOs6zykvhWuMoTtsVi/a7p1HZyWzl5A5KkxofUv nLOUoPriQ9Ps8fzc3B31G5nwj5d6Es7nnfZbGk1dV5KS5bN7fyu9umBeFiW7jNcj eTf8GmFH7Rxi5aoUc0uMMR/YffMNl0fHo+wooPNnTBMppLouTIr9iQdCxDOJ7eJc QAFyEXYWtRP8AqrnB0/pVAXUtrnui+Ev1waOkMYKbWuiQ8tkHbLAvcmpAVnD67jX 4f3ZQkhXG6C4VbYF3fTlL0ujZgRal0csG0X4u6x/5ID4Blle9hwtIQ== =BqMW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: POST: The Frightening Dangers of Moderation
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

??? wrote: [some text deleted] > > Before I explain what has happened, I want to make one thing > > absolutely clear. Though I've thought the moderation of cypherpunks > > was a terrible idea from the start and am even more convinced of it > > now, I don't assign any blame to Sandy. I believe he offered to > > moderate the list with the best of intentions, and I sincerely > > appreciate his efforts to try to revive what was once a fantastic > > mailing list, even if in my opinion those efforts have backfired. This is the fatal mistake, assuming it's really a mistake. I've worked under several corporations where, at a certain point in time, things just "went crazy", and the owners/ managers were scrambling desperately to plug as many holes in the dike as they possibly could, to no avail. People don't understand why things just "go crazy" at a particular point, and so they accept the coincidence theory ruse, lacking any other evidence. Use your head, folks. This is not a list made up of sewing-circle nannies, these are security people, NSA, CIA, and all the ugly things you shut out of your conversations because you don't want to admit the truth. "Paranoia is a way of knowing". Today I saw an old picture of Albert Einstein in full Indian regalia, smoking a peace pipe with some Hopi people. I thought of the Capone mob and the "kiss of death", or Judas and Jesus, you get the picture. So Einstein puts his name and reputation and personal seal of approval on the creation of the Doomsday Device, the atom bomb, knowing full well that it will be used to murder millions of people. What does he do for an encore? Plants the "kiss of death" on the Hopis, whose environment is co-opted by the mad bombers and their Nazi-infested thug "scientist" cohorts, for the experimentation and storage of nuclear and other hazardous materials. You know, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, all those "useless, desert lands" occupied by the Indians.

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Re: What else do I need for an Internet Server
by Otto Matic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Otto Matic wrote: >> What else do I need for an internet server? >> HP Vectra Towers 2 each 486 cyrex chips 50 meg processor Need high >> speed hard drives. These are the Tall Towers that have multiple >> drives, these are server towers. >> I think I have a router Hub. And a couple LAN cards. >> That's all I have. But I just got them, and I want to use them. I assume I >> will be using some kind of UNIX software. > >HP does some strange things to their BIOS software - you may want to >get one of those net analyzer tools and some low-level software that >can monitor what your HP's are sending and receiving, just in case. > >They don't normally use Vectras for UNIX, so what effects you can >expect, I don't know. > Dale, Thanks for your reply. Really I'm not sure about UNIX, I was just guessing. What I really need is a B.O.M (bill of materials). What other 'hardware' will I need to round up in order to get this server up and running. Thanks: otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Waiting for Mac version [was Re: Full strength Email Clients]
by Joe Chou 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Meanwhile, a beta version of "Pretty Safe Mail" ><http://www.highware.com/highware/PSM/safemail.htm> is available from >Highware in Belgium. It's PGP compatible, and its user interface is a >great leap forward from any Mac PGP front end I've seen. But, it still has >some deficiencies, it's very slow (25 seconds to sign this message on a 25 >MHz 68040 vs. 4 seconds for ViaCrypt PGP 2.7.1), and (as was recently >discussed on a couple of these lists) its source code hasn't been published >or externally audited. I've been testing Pretty Safe Mail on 68k and PPC platforms, and I completely agree with you for the 68040 slowness. But on a Powermac 7600 (604/120Mhz), it took less than 3 seconds to sign the same document. Highware claims that a faster 68k is in the works. They've offereed to have PSM externally audited, but I haven't heard of any volunteers. Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2, by Pretty Safe Mail 1.0 iQCVAwUBMvzAT7WqygGLsQD9AQF+RwP+IbLejl0wMKQzPJmHbIOann+KUB0zsXps 36bjfsyjIYZwkcbhjqCh2lFpljlmeMMVtPX90bPLRb0J+Bgbmcv7h24BN2Q5sInr AFFk4ST07uLZ8ICJzwtkHYgNwgMmdba2QeDQ0SZCH8FYMQiLpkf45TTIIger8MXt Rkkv3V23nts= =MgGH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | Joe Chou <jchou(a)cgl.ucsf.edu> | http://devbio-mac1.ucsf.edu/joe.html | Bargmann Lab, UCSF Department of Biochemistry | PGP KeyID 0x8BB100FD: at web page or public key servers | PGP Fingerprint [4194 EBC6 EEB0 7B1A F18F 2185 D406 EDFF]

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MODERATION
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, I'm ending my participation in the moderation of the list. It would have been an interesting experiment if list members had been open minded enough to give it a good faith effort. Instead, those who weren't even willing to give another approach a try, set out to sabotage it and destroy any possibility of a meaningful test of the concept. I see no reason to prolong the agony. I've asked John to take me out of the loop as soon as possible. If he can't get that done right away, I'll continue to moderate in some capacity so that list members aren't cut off. However, I'm going to take a break today to help a friend move into her apartment. There won't be any messages forwarded for the next 24 hours or so. Hopefully, John will have things switched over by that then. If not, I shove whatever is in the queue on down the line. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Anyone got a hash, in Java, in Europe?
by nobody＠wazoo.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Degenerate L<avender> Vasectomy K<rap> Of The Moment has been a source of endless embarassments to his sympathizers on and off the net. o_o ( ) Dr.Degenerate L<avender> Vasectomy K<rap> Of The Moment ( | | ) ' " " `

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MODERATION
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, I'm ending my participation in the moderation of the list. It would have been an interesting experiment if list members had been open minded enough to give it a good faith effort. Instead, those who weren't even willing to give another approach a try, set out to sabotage it and destroy any possibility of a meaningful test of the concept. I see no reason to prolong the agony. I've asked John to take me out of the loop as soon as possible. If he can't get that done right away, I'll continue to moderate in some capacity so that list members aren't cut off. However, I'm going to take a break today to help a friend move into her apartment. There won't be any messages forwarded for the next 24 hours or so. Hopefully, John will have things switched over by that then. If not, I shove whatever is in the queue on down the line. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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MODERATION
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, I'm ending my participation in the moderation of the list. It would have been an interesting experiment if list members had been open minded enough to give it a good faith effort. Instead, those who weren't even willing to give another approach a try, set out to sabotage it and destroy any possibility of a meaningful test of the concept. I see no reason to prolong the agony. I've asked John to take me out of the loop as soon as possible. If he can't get that done right away, I'll continue to moderate in some capacity so that list members aren't cut off. However, I'm going to take a break today to help a friend move into her apartment. There won't be any messages forwarded for the next 24 hours or so. Hopefully, John will have things switched over by that then. If not, I shove whatever is in the queue on down the line. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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