December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

High-tech tracking by police raises legal outcry
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From The Orange County Register, Front Page, Sunday 1-5-97 Police across the country secretly tail hundres of people each year by attaching high-tech transmitters to suspects' cars and tracking them on squadroom computer screens. Detectives, federal agents and prosecutors routinely conceal use of the technology from defendants, their lawyers and the public, an investigation by The Orange County Register has found. Autorities in Orange County often plant the devices on cars without getting a warrant from a judge. ... The technology, marketed by a company called Teletrac, is simple: A tramsmitter sends a radio signal to a computer, which pinpoints the car's street location. Police with the proper software can follow a transimitter-equipped vehicle in real time as it moves across a street map on a computer screen. ... "Is there any expectation of privacy on the whereabouts of a car on a public street? I suggest there isn't," said [Jeffrey] Ferguson, president of the county's narcotics officer's association. "I've told them they don't need a warrant unless they intend to enter a car." ... The system automatically records the time, date, location and duration of the car's stops. The system could tell police, for example, that the suspect's car stopped on Main Street between 4th and 5th streest for about an hour on Jan. 5. The records help police focus their investigation on places the suspects visits. ------- Obviously, several list members were wrong. Travel GAK is not coming; It is already here. <CENTER>BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING</CENTER>

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Will off-topic libertarian bullshit be allowed on the moderated mailing list?
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, For a long time, cypherpunks mailing list has been plagued by two types of irrelevant traffic: 1) Flames by Vulis against cypherpunks and by cypherpunks against Vulis. 2) Off-topic rants about libertarian ideology, guns, poverty, Ebonics, etc etc. Both types of messages were equally damaging to the content that I consider worth reading: discussions about applications of cryptography, protocols and crypto-related code. As a result, most of the people who used to talk about cryptosystems do not do so anymore because they moved to other, less noisy, forums. It was very sad to see that nobody except Eric Murray wanted to seriously try to discuss IPG algorithm, which was in my opinion an excellent case study of a home-grown cryptosystem. Eric wrote lots of excellent C code to check the "random" number generator, but no one else was interested. Cypherpunks's uniqueness and appeal is not in the breadth of issues discussed: there are forums dedicated to libertarian issues, guns, languages, terrorism, and so on. The mission of this forum, as I understand it, was to provide amateurs with interest in applying cryptography, and professional cryptographers alike, a good place to discuss crypto-related issues productively. It is understandable that many of those people who subscribe to cypherpunks' credo of digital freedom happen to be devoted libertarians and have strong views on other political subjects. It does not justify bringing every important issue to this mailing list, however. If restrictions on content are to be imposed, it is not only fair but also rational to exclude off-topic political rants as well as flames. Both of these categories add zero value to accomplishing Cypherpunks' mission. - Igor. Appendix: what we all received when we subscribed: Cypherpunks assume privacy is a good thing and wish there were more of it. Cypherpunks acknowledge that those who want privacy must create it for themselves and not expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant them privacy out of beneficence. Cypherpunks know that people have been creating their own privacy for centuries with whispers, envelopes, closed doors, and couriers. Cypherpunks do not seek to prevent other people from speaking about their experiences or their opinions. The most important means to the defense of privacy is encryption. To encrypt is to indicate the desire for privacy. But to encrypt with weak cryptography is to indicate not too much desire for privacy. Cypherpunks hope that all people desiring privacy will learn how best to defend it. Cypherpunks are therefore devoted to cryptography. Cypherpunks wish to learn about it, to teach it, to implement it, and to make more of it. Cypherpunks know that cryptographic protocols make social structures. Cypherpunks know how to attack a system and how to defend it. Cypherpunks know just how hard it is to make good cryptosystems. Cypherpunks love to practice. They love to play with public key cryptography. They love to play with anonymous and pseudonymous mail forwarding and delivery. They love to play with DC-nets. They love to play with secure communications of all kinds. Cypherpunks write code. They know that someone has to write code to defend privacy, and since it's their privacy, they're going to write it. Cypherpunks publish their code so that their fellow cypherpunks may practice and play with it. Cypherpunks realize that security is not built in a day and are patient with incremental progress. Cypherpunks don't care if you don't like the software they write. Cypherpunks know that software can't be destroyed. Cypherpunks know that a widely dispersed system can't be shut down. Cypherpunks will make the networks safe for privacy. [Last updated Mon Feb 21 13:18:25 1994]

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Re: [CRYPTO] Quadratic residues
by miner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:37 PM 1/7/97 -0500, Anonymous wrote: >Timothy May's family tree goes straight up. All of his >ancestors were siblings, to dumb to recognize each other in the >dark. > > /\ o-/\ Timothy May > ///\|/\\\ > / /|\ \ Counting the days till I don't have to see anymore of these, certainly a product of one of the 3 people already in my killfile. Thank you John and Sandy in advance

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RE: Thoughts on moderation
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Douglas Barnes I don't see this move as censorship of any sort -- cleaning the Augean stables is more like it. I am profoundly tired of wading through completely worthless and vapid trash accusing Tim and John of various sexual perversions. .................................................. So what about determining the lowest parameter of tolerance for style & content - how low you can go before your messages are transferred to the "flames" division? Then, for instance, Uni could say to Dale: "you will find my detailed retort to your deluded accusations on the other list" (which Dale would, of course, go over there and read <g>). In any case, everyone would know what that sensitive, low point of intolerance is such that if they descend to it they will be sifted out and recategorized. .. Blanc

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by native＠media.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Moderation and the Polymorphic Virus
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perhaps with proper moderation, having access to a cloistered environment without all of the 'noise', cypherpunks will be able to come up with a true polymorphic virus that will make the Atom Bomb look like a child's toy. The rabble who rant on endlessly about 'social issues' can surely not be trusted to contribute anything of value on what are, in fact, merely a question of 'numbers'. It is up the the elite, the code writers, to lead the cypher- punks into a New World Order, in which the results of cryptography are only used for proper, approved purposes. Toto

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17 Dec '03

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Zero-knowledge commit
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy C[retin] May the self-admitted child molester possesses a rudimentary dick less than one inch long, half the size of his mother's clitoris, that barely makes a fistful. Thereby hangs the root of this Jew-hating sissy's sick fixation on little boys and Usenet forgeries. . |___ (}o o{) -ooO-(_)-Ooo- Timmy C[retin] May

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Re: Polymorph engine (was:RE: PWL's how ?)
by Neil Tunnicliffe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:50 7/01/97 -0400, you wrote: >Where did you get the following text on polymorph engines? Is it available >somewhere? Where can I get other information on similar topics (Please resist >the urge to mention web search engines; I'm looking for specific >recommendations :-) > >Thanks! > >- Patrick >_______________________________________________________________________________ Well try some sitez like Vrack: http://206.117.82.30/vrack/ Neil

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Fed Study on Identity Theft
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:59:00 -0500 (EST) To: Multiple Recipients of e$pam <e$pam(a)intertrader.com> From: e$pam(a)intertrader.com (e$pam) Reply-To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com X-Comment: To unsubscribe, send any email to e$pam-off(a)intertrader.com Precedence: Bulk Subject: Fed Study on Identity Theft X-orig-from: jmuller(a)brobeck.com (John D. Muller) X-e$pam-source: Various Forwarded by Robert Hettinga ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:00:09 -0800 From: jmuller(a)brobeck.com (John D. Muller) Subject: Fed Study on Identity Theft To: rah(a)shipwright.com I unsubscribed from e$pam over the holidays, so this item may already have been on, but if not it might be of interest: As required by legislation passed last year (partly in response to the P-TRAK fiasco), the Fed is required to study whether institutions that are not subject to the Fair Credit Reporting Act are making sensitive personal identifying information available to the public, whether such information creates undue potential for fraud and for risk of loss to banks, and whether legislation is needed to address the risk of fraud and loss. The Fed has recently published a request for comments on these issues. Comments are due by January 31. The Fed release is at http://www.bog.frb.fed.us/boarddocs/press/BoardActs/1996/19961223 Have a happy, prosperous and reputation-enhancing 1997. -------------------------------------------------- The e$ lists are brought to you by: Intertrader Ltd - SMART '96 Winners for a Java e$ product Visit <http://www.intertrader.com/> for details ... Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk Like e$pam? Help pay for it! See <http://www.atanda.com/rah.html> Or, for e$pam sponsorship, see <http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/> Thanks to the e$ e$lves: Of Counsel: Vinnie Moscaritolo <mailto:vinnie@webstuff.apple.com> (Majordomo)^2: Rachel Willmer<mailto:rachel@intertrader.com> Commermeister: Anthony Templer <mailto:anthony@atanda.com> Interturge: Rodney Thayer <mailto:rodney@sabletech.com> HTMLurgist: Cynthia Zwerling <mailto:czrider@@webstuff.apple.com> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox, e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://offshore.com.ai/fc97/

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