December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Please read! High Tech
by Rita May Marendic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Cypherpunk Elitism and Spam Filters
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> writes: > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > > I'm not doing anything with your stupid list. I'm not even on it. > > That's right. This list is now being 'haunted' by the 'ghost' of > the late, great Dr. DV K. Boo! aa@@aaao a@@@@@@@@@@@aao @@@@@@@@@@ ::::::: :::: @@ @@ @@@ :::::::::::: :::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@ :::::::::::::::: :::::::: @@@@@."".@@@@@ :::::::::::::::::: ::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::::: :::::::::: @@@@@@' `@@@@@@@ :::::::::: :::::::::::::: @@@@@b__d@@@@@',@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::::: ::::::::: aaaa`@@@@""".@@@@,a@@@@@@@ :::::::::::::::: :::::::: aa@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ :::::::::: :::::::: ::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ :::::::::::a :::::::: ::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@a :::::::: :::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@a ::::::: a@a @@@ :: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@aaa : a@@" @@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@a @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ :::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@a @@@@@@@@@@"" a@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@'"@@ a@"@@@@@@@ @@@ : @@@@@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ,@@'"' : @@ @@" "@@@"@@ ::: @@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@' :::: @@@ :::: @ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ :::::: : :::::: :::::::::: a@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ::::::: ::::::::::: :::::::::: a@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@' ::::::: ::::::::::::::::::: a@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ :::::::: ::::::::::::::::: ""a@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@' ::::::::: ::::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@' :::::::::: ::::::::::::::: """""@@@@@""""""""' ::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::: --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Naive Export Question
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Given that: 1. It is legal to export books with printed source code. 2. It is legal for foreigners to type it in. 3. It is legal for foreigners to post what they typed. 4. It is legal to pay foreigners to type things into a computer. It seems to me that it would be legal for the author of a book with source code to pay foreigners to type in the code and post it. The cost of doing so is small compared to the cost of writing and publishing the book. I assume that this is illegal, but which laws does it violate? Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

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Hyperlink Spoofing: an attack on SSL server authentication
by Frank O'Dwyer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've written up an attack on SSL server authentication at http://www.iol.ie/~fod/sslpaper/sslpaper.htm As far as I am aware, this attack hasn't been written about before. It does not attack the SSL protocol or low-level cryptography, but works at a higher level in order to persuade users to connect to fake servers, with the browser nonetheless giving all the usual appearances of a secure session. Not much technical sophistication is required to carry off the attack, and the impact is that a user may be persuaded to reveal information such as credit card numbers, PINs, insurance or bank details, or other private information to the fake server. Another risk is that the user may download and run trojan Java applets or executables (e.g. banking or database clients) from the fake server, believing them to be from the real server and therefore safe. I am posting this announcement on comp.security.misc, ssl-talk and on cypherpunks. If you know of any other individuals who may be concerned about this attack, but who do not read this group or those lists, please forward this message to them. Cheers, Frank O'Dwyer fod(a)brd.ie

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Atoms vs Bits
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you doubt that wealth and atoms aren't linked much these days, one need only point out that the total weight (in tons) of the US annual GDP is about the same as it was 100 years ago while the constant dollar value of that production has increased 12 fold. Source - Greenspan speech quoted in The Economist Suvey of the World Economy 28 September 1996. DCF

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Re: Anonymous Post Control
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> It would be nice if toad.com would verify signatures and insert a > header into the messages with the PGP User Id of every poster. > Then it would be very easy for many people to filter the messages > using widely available off-the-shelf mail software. Well the obvious answer seems to me to stop majordomo at toad.com accepting ANY messages from anonymous sources but let pseudonyms post, pseudonymous posting allows the owner of the nym to accumulate reputation capital without disclosing his or her true identity. Bear in mind of course that this is a purely technical answer and I happen not to believe that anonymous posting should be stopped. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: ASSHOLE FAGGOT J.D. Falk
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

snow <snow(a)smoke.suba.com> writes: > > The recognition that most every problem person is of a homosexual > > nature is definitely a usenet body-politic phenomenon, which will > > be documented and verified with whatever means that become necessary. > > You are a problem, therefore, you are a homosexual. > > Gee, isn't logic fun? > Just following the homos' logic... If you don't like someone and he happens to be a homo, then you're a homophobe, and all the homos are supposed to fuck you over. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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[Fwd: Re: Naive Export Question]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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EAR Doc
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We've prepared a hyperlinked version of the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) to assist analysis, evaluation and commentary on interim rules for encryption export: http://jya.com/eartoc.htm It's sobering to study the EAR and see the lethal weapons to which encryption is wed -- the most mass-murderous of high-technology calmly described as commercial warfare for the commonweal. Ponder the Commerce Control list to see the mayhem elite minds concoct.

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Ecash naysayers
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:02:52 -0500 From: Roderick Simpson <rod(a)wired.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <com-priv(a)lists.psi.com> Subject: Ecash naysayers Anyone heard a convincing naysayer of electronic cash? Who were they? Best, Rod R o d e r i c k S i m p s o n rod(a)wired.com A s s o c i a t e P r o d u c e r T h e H o t W i r e d N e t w o r k www.braintennis.com www.wiredsource.com ------------------------------ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox, e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://offshore.com.ai/fc97/

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