December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Javier Rivera 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sandy Sandfort wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Javier Rivera wrote: > > > unsuscribe cypherpunks > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SANDY SANDFORT > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Friend, > > It is impolite and counter-productive to spam a list asking > or demanding how to get unsubscribed. In the future, if you > do not know how to get off a list, ask ONE person on the > list for help. > > To get off Cypherpunks: > > 1) Address an e-mail message to: majordomo(a)toad.com > > 2) In the message body write: unsubscribe cypherpunks > > You will be removed soon thereafter. > > S a n d y > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Friend: Thank's for your asnswer but I already do that. The server say that I'm not in the list but I still reacive the messages. Thankx again!

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The latest from Sierra On-Line
by Sierra On-Line 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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TIA Counsel Writes
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Fax header: Dec 03 '96 03:57PM D'Ancona &Pflaum D'Ancona & Pflaum, Suite 2900, 30 North LaSalle Street, Chicago, Illinois. Telephone (312) 580-2000. Fax (312) 580- 0923 By Certified Mail Return Receipt Requested and by Fax (212) 799-4003 Mr. John Young 251 West 89th Street Suite 6E New York, New York 10024 Dear Mr. Young: I am writing to you as general counsel of Telecommunications Industry Association ("TIA") which, as you may know, is engaged in the formulation and publication of standards in the communications field. At the request of our client, on November 26, 1996, I accessed your WEB site and both viewed and printed out a list of links to documents dealing with encryption. Among them were documents described as a CAVE Report, CAVE Table and a CAVE Algorithm dated November 20 and November 21, 1996. In this fashion I was also able to view and print out the algorithm document of TIA's Committee TR45.3, with a clear statement that the information in the document may be subject to the export juristiction of the U. S. Department of State under the applicable regulations. The posting on the WEB site of these documents is, in our opinion, a violation of the copyright of TIA and unlawful. Furthermore, the posting of the algorithm may constitute a violation of applicable export regulations. It seems in any event that it will be a violation under regulations to be drafted pursuant to the President's Executive Order of November 15, 1996 which was also accessed by me on your WEB site. I returned to the site last Friday and yesterday, December 2 and noticed that these documents are no longer there. I commend you removing them, but ask for your assurances that they will not be posted again. In addition, it is important that we know how you received this documentation which is strictly restricted in its circulation. I would appreciate hearing from you at your very earliest convenience. Sincerely, Paul H. Vishny To: Susan Hoyler [TIA] by fax (703) 907-7727 To: Eric Schimmel, c/o Wyndham Bristol Hotel - Dallas, by fax (214) 761-7520 ---------- Mr. Vishny and I spoke about his fax. I said that the CAVE- related documents would not be reposted on my Web site, and that TR45.3 had come by anonymous mail, as have others we've published. Mr. Vishny said TIA intended to take no action on this matter but its members must abide NDA. Don't know what the Feds will do with Susan Hoyler's notification about TR45.3. Along with several telcomm biggies some Ft. Meade servers siphoned TR45.3 and most other files on the site -- several times. Well, well! WSJ also remonstrated yesterday; we'll share that thank-you separately.

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Dow-Jones Counsel Writes
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--------- Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:15:07 -0500 To: jya(a)pipeline.com From: legalwfc(a)wsj.dowjones.com (Legal Department - Dow Jones & Co. NYC) Subject: Articles on Your Web Site Hello. I am an attorney with Dow Jones & Company, Inc. I came across your Web site recently and saw that you have incorporated articles from The Wall Street Journal, which is a publication of Dow Jones. Dow Jones is pleased that readers find information in The Wall Street Journal important enough to communicate to other Web users. The articles I've seen are, or have been, located at http://jya.com/clash0.txt; http://jya.com/xpanix.txt; http://www.jya.com/peanut.txt; and http://www.jya.com/boomer.txt. We also appreciate your encouraging others to take a look at our articles. The problem is that posting our copyrighted material at your site violates copyright laws, even if you give us credit, and even if you don't charge people to read the posted material. The same would be true if someone were to republish material that you created without your permission. You can, of course, recommend stories from The Wall Street Journal at your site by citing the headline and the date of the article and providing a brief description. And those articles can be viewed quite easily for a modest subscription fee in The Wall Street Journal Interactive Edition, the Web site of The Wall Street Journal (http://wsj.com) While we hope you keep reading The Wall Street Journal, you must remove our articles from any Web site you control as soon as possible. If you want to talk to me about this, you can reach me at (212) 416-3108. Many thanks. Sincerely, Hunter Farrell Counsel Dow Jones & Company, Inc. --------- We thanked Mr. Farrell for his courteous note, promised to keep WSJ articles off our site and read the paper.

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Dec 3rd, discussion.
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I want to thank the members of the DCSB and other attendees for the forum. Unfortuantely, I have to include an apology. I managed to run significantly over time, and missed the chance to deal with many of the more interesting subjects. (My own fault in that I thought I had one more hour than I did). I hope the discussion was intersting to the attendees in any event. I will be posting a paper outlining the subject matter in some detail presently. In any event, I'd like to thank those present once again. It was a pleasure. -- Forward complaints to : European Association of Envelope Manufactures Finger for Public Key Gutenbergstrasse 21;Postfach;CH-3001;Bern Vote Monarchist Switzerland

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(no subject)
by Andrew Fairbanks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsuscribe cypherpunks

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PRIVACY: X-No-Archive and mail.cypherpunks
by varange＠crl.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor Chudov @ home <ichudov(a)algebra.com> writing [ 1422] bytes in <$m2n26165-.199612031615.KAA03400(a)manifold.algebra.com> said: > This is primarily addressed to the person who supports cypherpunks > mail-to-news gateway. If you know who such person is, please send > his/her address to me. > > Please modify your reposting program so that it does not remove the > > X-No-Archive: yes > > header line from email messages. This particular header line is an > indication to USENET search engines that the author of the message would > not like it to be stored in these engines. It preserves the author's > privacy and enforces the copyright protection. "X-No-Archive: yes" is for idiots. Who wants to censor their own posts? -- Cheers!

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Re: testing new Home Web site
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: scholars.bellevue.edu(a)ns.ccsn.edu, Banshee(a)evil-empire.com, phiberdelic(a)mailmasher.com, phiberdelic(a)hotmail.com, phreaker(a)scholars.bellevue.edu, phreaker(a)scholars.bellevue.edu, phiberdelic(a)hotmail.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Wed Dec 04 23:04:24 1996 Phiberelic Phreaker wrote, repeatedly... > try this site and tell me how you like it > if you dont like it then message Mr.Angry on that page ... [gibberish] Ok, Perry. I guess we're all coming over to your list now. <sigh> JMR Regards, Jim Ray DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy One of the "legitimate concerns of law enforcement" seems to be that I was born innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around. -- me Please note new 2000bit PGPkey & address <jmr(a)shopmiami.com> PGP id.A7D63DA9 98 1F 39 BA 93 86 B4 F5 57 52 64 0E DA BA 2C 71 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEPAwUBMqZJ0jUhsGSn1j2pAQEzUwfPVVsmLa2kGRrHqxk1jur6Ckg+hJAVhk5x e6sNSen8Txa8jTy4noQmPFbekte/628Ig3zd0OvomsGSv0Cp6l9smHOOWZGA74lw 4XgQWyEz05V/twm0mec5M2MNBkOr12rTC4nIQG6zgRz2XJLpqs0ij8/WDLvOW1/w zZT168ijF8UlQx/BneJfN4tgC3+KuSFqC6g7Hxz/Br+ZhQ3Zo8ptk+zdNbnjYwHS 61WmQ3m40dOhxflmaSxsE1jtLLWqTAJgbQN65VsJxRmUG6aYvfv8Q4Y7YZ4alGr5 CApU5eEat5lbkl3HcapG/4GYv3XfUvrnEL/TbMjmjJUqhg== =lKHY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re:
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:45 PM 12/3/96 EST, Bovine Remailer wrote: >At 10:50 AM 12/3/1996, Matthew J. Miszewski wrote: >>Take, for example, the practice of redlining. How are people who live in >>"bad" neighborhoods supposed to not reveal that information. > >You may lend your own money to whomever you wish. If you do not wish >to lend money to somebody, that is your business. I consider it my business also, when people are denied opportunity because of where they live. I may also hire whomever I wish, but I would have to pay the consequences if I happened to discriminate based on a protected class while doing so. That is the society in which I live. If I dont like it, I try to change it. Our society is not libertarian. If I would prefer that form of society I would have to accept that result. Therefore I choose a balance between liberty and social justice. There are times when government should intervene. I believe it should be as infrequent as possible, but would not want to live in a society where disinfranchised people have no possible recourse. Your choice would apparently be different. >It is difficult to understand why redlining should be illegal, to the >extent that it even occurs. When it does occur, we expect that eager >entrepreneurs such as yourself will rush in to grab new customers. I have not heard serious doubts for a while that redlining occurs. But then again we are on the net. I would love to have the financial wherewithal to startup such an enterprise. Unfortuantely I reside in one such neighborhood. It is difficult enough to raise money to run a small business (and turned out to be much easier to do without any bank lending at all). I have talked with people about starting their own banks. When you are working to make sure all the bills are paid it is a bit difficult to also build an entirely new socio-economic structure. >As for the privacy issue, you seem to be proposing that you have some >sort of right to borrow money on terms which are not acceptable to the >lender. You need not give your address just as you need not borrow >the money. Actually I was stating the opposite. You do not need to do so. You just wont get the money if you dont. >Of course, we hardly live in a free banking era. Most people would >prefer to bank with a company that respects their privacy. Yet, banks >are so tightly controlled in the United States that they most often >will not dare to protect the privacy of their customers for fear of >regulatory consequences. When the service is provided, it cannot be >advertised. Whom would the service be more readily available to? Who uses tax-havens? Who has access to swiss bank accounts? Are you insinuating that my local bank actually has anonymous accounts and just won't tell me? I wish that people DID value anonymous banking in this country. The fact is they just don't care. As long as they get short lines or myriads of ATM machines they are happy. I am largely in favor of banking deregulation. There are places where I simply draw the line. Utter racism is one of them. Everyone can now clamor that it just isnt true. Banks have never discriminated. Its all a big lie. Whatever. (snip) >You are in the unpleasant position of appealing for protection from >the very people who have robbed you of your privacy. You are right. It is far from a perfect system. We make trade-offs every day. The real world I live in is just not as simple as the Libertarian Wet Dream(TM). > >Red Rackham > Matt

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Re: Anyone considered adding crypto into Microsoft Outlook?
by Rick Osborne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:44 PM 12/3/96 -0500, Phillip M. Hallam-Baker wrote: [[It just struck me that it would probably make the most convenient platform for integrating cryptography. After all MAPI is an open, extensible API allowing ready access to the email "hooks" necessary. The integration of an address book with the email system makes it very easy to add public key information into a person's entry. ]] It's already been done with MS Exchange. I assume that this new version ("Outlook", did you call it?) is backwards compatible with Exchange plugins. Take a look at: http://homepage.interaccess.com/~jon/ [[The main problem so far seems to be the impenetrability of the MAPI documentation. Does anyone know of a usable reference or which of the gazillion Microsoft Developer network CDs one can find more information?]] Well, the MAPI SDK used to me on the MS FTP server, but I don't know where it is since they did their reorganization. Rick Osborne / osborne(a)gateway.grumman.com / Northrop Grumman Corporation ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A few memory locations short of an address space."

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