December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by L. A 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Modified Token Posting Scheme
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The proposal to limit "noise" posts by using re-usable tokens is >interesting because it has the effect of filtering and at the >same >time remains responsive because the "moderator" passes judgement >after posting has occurred. > >In essence, the poster is betting that the moderator will approve >the post retroactively. > >The purpose of limiting the tokens available is to give them >value >so that there is a cost associated with losing the bet. > >However, distribution of the tokens has the same problems that >centrally >planned economies have distributing bread. Should people wait in >line, >receive bread at random, or get their bread through connections? > None of >these solutions is attractive. > >The right way to implement the scheme is to use dollars for >tokens >because the USG has already solved the problem of giving the >tokens >value. > >The "moderator" returns the money to people when posts are >worthwhile >and keeps it otherwise. This means that the "bet" can be quite a >bit >larger than a dollar because responsible posters will get their >money >back. Starving graduate students will not be discouraged from >posting. >Abusive posters, anonymous posters, or spam artists will have to >pay >a substantial fee for the privilege. > >Of course, there's no reason to have just one moderator on the >list. >A moderator could just be an e-mail account that forwards mail to >the list if valid payment is received. (Moderators should PGP >sign >their messages so mail forging won't work.) Readers could filter >on which moderators have approved the kinds of posts they want to >read. > >The effect of this scheme is to allow newcomers, infrequent >posters, >or anonymous posters to get through killfiles without taking the >time and effort to develop a reputation. > >Peter Hendrickson >ph(a)netcom.com Why the FUCK don't we just find the antichrist or call on GOD to kill all spammers and then buy a gun and shot holes in the computer?? this whole isssue will never be solved without action get a fuckin real job!!!!!!

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Re: Modified Token Posting Scheme
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:55 PM 1/6/97 -0800, Ed Falk wrote: > >How about this simple policy scheme: > > 1) posts from known list members forwarded to list automatically > 2) posts with "approval cookie" also forwarded automatically > 3) otherwise, forwarded only after approval by moderator, whose charter > only permits spam filtering. Seems this is what the STUMP scheme we read about yesterday does. I suggest Sandy and John take a good look at it. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C. May's aberrant sexual life has negatively impacted his mental integrity. o)__ (_ _`\ Tim C. May z/z\__)

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RE: IWD_ism
by pclow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>John Young wrote: >> >> ... injecting the attackers' computers with "a polymorphic >> virus that wipes out the system, takes it down for weeks." > >Looks to me like somebody's trying to land a job writing X-Files >scripts. I beg to differ! Sounds more like Independence Day to me. Is Jeff Goldbum on the list?

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Re: Sandy and I will run a cypherpunks "moderation" experiment in Jan
by Against Moderation 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:29:51 -0500 (EST) > From: "Mark M." <markm(a)voicenet.com> > > The problem with making an undelayed, unedited version of the list > available is that it would increase the burden on toad.com. I > suppose someone could run a mail exploder that would receive the raw > version and mail it out to all subscribers. I don't see the > increased lag as much of a problem. If an automatic moderation > program is used, the lag should be insignificant for most posts. Why do you think that load is a problem? I mean most people are not going to want to subscribe to multipel versions of the mailing list, right? So why are three mailing lists with a total of ~3,000 users any more of a load than 2 mailing lists with a total of ~2,000 users? Hell, I'll even volunteer to run the cypherpunks-raw list on my own hardware (thus blowing my nym, if it's really necessary) if I can get the articles as they are submitted in real time. > This would not only increase the load on toad.com, but would also > make it more difficult for people who want to receive the moderated > version and monitor the moderators decisions. Mail filtering can be > done simply on many mail programs, but checking a list of moderation > decisions against the mailing list traffic would be just too > complicated. NoCeM is a nice idea, but most people on this list > probably do not have the platform needed to run the software. 1. How would this increase the load? I don't see how multiple mailing lists cause more load if it doesn't mean more subscribers. 2. Even if it did mean more subscribers, why is load a problem? I mean, even sendmail can easily handle the current load of cypherpunks, and there are many packages way faster than sendmail (exim should be particularly good at this kind of load, for instance. Qmail is also generally way more efficient than sendmail). And don't tell me these are hard or a pain to install, because I'm willing to set this up and run it on my hardware if that's what it takes to get an unedited, unmoderated cypherpunks list. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMtGXboCHQnqYPZ9VAQHzcwQArv9i3yiYlqRxqM1zAN/lhS8z9biL1guM 5YQJRGX8MFdh7IxYBkCvsV6r3qfmpfRKJuF/GqZZ0boYfwIF0BRPT3PGV/qoh1IR 5ltGMAaj/k5fpSIxRBk4NdtWR5RhpvMJSdqo7WDNWBuZtYCozno2G8BXwKPkZ5a2 Phqjs68VswE= =WWIq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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$$$ for IP plan.....
by David Lesher / hated by RBOC's in 5 states 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

X-within-URL: http://rs.internic.net/arin/ AMERICAN REGISTRY FOR INTERNET NUMBERS PROPOSAL {chop} Below is the proposed plan for the organization structure and fee schedule. The organization will have more detailed bylaws which will be ratified by the Board of Trustees. _________________________________________________________________ An annual membership fee of $1,000 will be charged to all entities joining the American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN). Membership is open to any entity/individual wishing to join, regardless of whether the entity/individual receives address space directly from ARIN. Membership is not a requirement for receiving address space from ARIN. _________________________________________________________________ SECTION 2.3 ISP REGISTRATION FEE If an ISP moves from a Small to a Medium category (for example) in the same year, the ISP will be charged the difference. Small $2500/year /24 - /19 Medium $5000/year >/19 - /16 Large $10K/year >/16 - /14 X-Large $20K/year >/14 ================================ Anyone care to calculate the total dollars? -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Why This List Should Be Moderated
by Raymond Mereniuk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following message is a very good reason why this list should be moderated. I keep writing rules (filters) to catch and delete such messages but the sender keeps changing something and I must write a new rule. The moderation proposal sounds great and I would like to thank the moderators in advance for stopping messages like the following from reaching my mailbox. Also, could Mr. Haystack please advise the group of his current medication(s), we don't want anyone to suffer the same side-effects. >>> Bovine Remailer <haystack(a)cow.net> 1/6/97, 04:51pm >>> Tim C. May's aberrant sexual life has negatively impacted his mental integrity. o)__ (_ _`\ Tim C. May z/z\__)

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Divide and Conquer
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Foreign spies snoop the Net, from The Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:14:17 -0800 (PST) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Foreign spies snoop the Net, from The Netly News The Netly News http://netlynews.com/ SPY VS. SPY January 6, 1997 By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Move over, James Bond. Take your last bow, Maxwell Smart. Modern spies are jacked into the Net, a recent report from the multiagency National Counterintelligence Center says. It claims the Internet is now the "fastest growing" means for foreign governments and firms to gather information about U.S. businesses. The eight-page quarterly report says that malevolent "foreign entities" are sorting through web sites, pounding on search engines and firing off e-mail queries to U.S. defense contractors in hopes of winnowing out sensitive data. "Use of the Internet offers a variety of advantages to a foreign collector. It is simple, low cost, non-threatening and relatively 'risk free' for the foreign entity attempting to collect classified, proprietary, or sensitive information... We also know foreign intelligence and security services monitor the Internet," says the report, which is distributed to government agencies and contractors. Search engines apparently serve spies well. Want a copy of something you shouldn't be able to get? Perhaps it was left in an unprotected directory; try Altavista. "Foreign intelligence services are known to use computers to conduct rudimentary on-line searches for information, including visits to governments and defense contractors' on-line bulletin boards or web sites on the Internet. Access to Internet advanced search software programs could possibly assist them in meeting their collection requirements," the NACIC briefing paper says. Beware of spam from spies, it warns: "These foreign entities can remain safe within their borders while sending hundreds of pleas and requests for assistance to targeted US companies and their employees." Of course! This is any e-mail spammer's modus operandi: Flood an astronomical number of addresses at an infinitesimal cost. Then hope that at least some recipients will respond with the information you want. This isn't the first time that the Clinton administration has painted economic espionage as a dire threat. Last February, FBI director Louis Freeh warned the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence of the possible harm. He said foreign governments are especially interested in "economic information, especially pre-publication data" including "U.S. tax and monetary policies; foreign aid programs and export credits; technology transfer and munitions control regulations... and proposed legislation affecting the profitability of foreign firms acting in the United States." Note to Freeh: That information already is online. For proposed legislation, try Thomas -- or for munition regulations, the White House web site is a good bet. But forget Freeh's rhetoric. The White House isn't serious about halting the overseas flow of American secrets over the Net. If it were, President Clinton would lift the crypto export embargo. Strong encryption is the most effective way for companies to fend off foreign data-pirates, but current regulations allow U.S. multinational firms to use only the cipher-equivalent of a toy cap gun. Worse yet, last week the Commerce Department moved further in the wrong direction by releasing its new encryption export regulations that continue to keep American businesses at a competitive disadvantage compared to their foreign competitors, which generally are less hampered by crypto export rules. "The new regulations are worse" than the old, says Dave Banisar, a policy analyst at the Electronic Privacy Information Center. Sure, France and Britain spy on us for economic purposes. But we're just as guilty. We snooped on the French -- and got several U.S. "diplomats" kicked out of France two years ago. We peeked at Japanese secrets during automobile trade negotiations -- and got caught then, too. Especially under President Clinton, economic intelligence has become part of the mission of our spy agencies. Yet if we complain about other countries while doing it ourselves, we become hypocrites. Stanley Kober, a research fellow at the Cato Institute, argues in a recent paper that it's "folly" for the U.S. to continue such spying and risk alienating political allies: "The world is still a dangerous place, and it would be folly for the democracies to engage in nasty intramural squabbles. Yet that is the danger that economic espionage against other free societies poses." "Washington ought to consider that it may need the cooperation of Paris (or other Western capitals) to help deal with a mutual security threat" from terrorism, Kober writes. I asked Kober what he thought of the NACIC report. "It strikes me as a normal security reminder," he says. "The specifics are fairly slim. It's not the sort of thing that's sent to everyone. It's sent to their clients, the people who have government contracts. Since the Internet is new, they're telling people to be careful." Indeed, netizens must be careful. It's common sense, really, and defensive driving for the Net. Encrypt that e-mail. Use the anonymizer at least once a day. Let paranoia be your watchword. That e-mail from your mother may come from the KGB. When you're not watching it, your monitor may be watching you. Be afraid, Maxwell Smart. Your shoe phone may be listening back. ###

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