December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto wrote: > > (If you think our list is bad, you ought to see lists which are completely > > dominated by one-line witticisms and inside jokes....) > > Or 10,000 messages saying only, "Merry Christmas", followed a few days > later by another 10,000 messages saying, "Happy New Year". > Anyone who needs 'proof' that I am speaking the truth, here, (and who > has a 10Gb hard drive), can just send me their email address, and I > would be glad to forward them. Thanks for your kind offer. Please send the material to: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Better send several copies of each message to make sure none get lost.) I can also get mail at: aga(a)dhp.com Might as well send to both accounts. Thanks again!

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[DES] DES Key Recovery Project, Progress Report #5
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DES Key Recovery Project, Progress Report #5 6 January 1997 Well, the New Year brings changes.... 1. I'm astonished at the low level of reaction RSA's announcement that they will be sponsoring a DES Challenge, with a $10,000 cash prize. I've been working with people at RSA to get this set up. It looks like there'll be an ascii-plaintext challenge (we won't know the full plaintext - just that it's ascii, and long enough to be unambigious), and the full prize will go the first person who emails them the key. This is pretty much what we need to recruit a large number of otherwise dis-interested people, and their machines. The code will be a tad slower than for an attack where we know the full plaintext of the block sought, but not much. 2. As for my code for WinTel machines - it's very close to an initial alpha release (squashing a few last bugs). I intend this to be used only for identifying porting issues. The first 'real' version is a couple weeks away. Once the alpha is out, I'll be looking at the new assembly language code from Eric Young and Svend Mikkelsen to see how it compares with mine. Since Eric independently matched my speed in the DES round, I want to see if he is using any different tricks than I. When it's released, my code will be able to: 1. Run a validity and speed test. 2. Accept a specified 32 bit 'chunk' of the keyspace to test. When it finishes a chunk, it appends information about whether it found the key to a results file, and also any half-matches it found along with a checksum. The latter two items help make cheating and sabotage more difficult. 3. Read it's input (plaintext, IV, etc) from a file. After the actual DES Challenge is announced, I'll hardwire that challenge into the program. 4. Periodically checkpoint it's status to a file. This is so that the program can be stopped at any time neccesary, without losing more than a few minutes work. At startup, it looks in this file for where to continue searching, unless instructed otherwise. It will NOT run as a screen saver. It's actually more efficient to run as a low-priority task in the background - that way it soaks up unused cycles even when a screen saver is not in operation. If someone else want's to incorporate it into an SS, go ahead. The alpha will run in a DOS box under Win95 and WinNT. A GUI interface may come along later. It will NOT talk to a keyspace server, though the format of the input and output should make it possible to add this in the future. I don't have time to develop both myself, and while people on the lists have proposed any number of complex schemes for setting up and managing a server, no one in the US seems willing to do the work (I'm worried about violating ITAR/EAR). I have a pretty good idea what needed in a server. At very least, I'd like to have people register the fact that they are taking part, so we get some idea of the level of effort being expended. The very first time it is started up on a given machine, if it is not given a specific chunk at which to start, it will pick one at random. The checkpointing scheme means that on later runs, it will pick up where it left off, advancing to the next chunk as it completes each one. For this purpose, we don't need cryptographically strong PRNG, just one that provides a fairly smooth distribution of results. This means that the search *will* complete, but the time is not as good as a carefully doled-out keyspace would provide. If you want to do the math, go ahead, but I think it will average about twice as long as a purely doled-out search to search the whole keyspace, and somewhat less to search half the keyspace. Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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Re: Sandy and I will run a cypherpunks "moderation"
by David Lesher / hated by RBOC's in 5 states 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It might have been interesting to instead announce that Sandy & John were starting a NEW list..... It just happened to have the old name. And the old list? Still there at ....... After all, the end result is the same. [One problem -- does this mean SternFUD will be back?] -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Spam Trading
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If anyone is unhappy with the spam they receive on CypherPunks, I am willing to trade some of my spam from other conferences. Send Me: 1 "Jimmy Gilmore is a cocksucker." I Will Send You: 1,000 "Merry Xmas" Send Me: 1 "Timmy May is a cocksucker." I Will Send You: 1,000 "Happy New Year" Send Me: 1 "Help! I ran that file from fuck(a)yourself.up" I Will Send You: 1,000 "Welcome to the Conference" Send Me: 1 "unsribrive" I Will Send You: 1,000 "Sorry You're Leaving" I can only offer you these amazing deals because one of the conferences I subscribe to is OCD-L (Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder List). No need to 'ACT NOW', I'll have plenty of "Merry Xmas" and "Happy New Years" messages continuing to trickle in from the Procrasinators Support list.

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[ADMINISTRATIVIUM] ZKP
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim Mayo is the living proof that anal sex causes pregnancy. /\ _ /\ | | 0 0 |-------\== \==@==/\ ____\ | \_-_/ _|| _||

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Re: Will off-topic libertarian bullshit be allowed on the moderated mailing list?
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Toto (from the thread "ONE MILLION CHILDREN.....") I can see that I'm going to have to lay in an extra supply of garlic and silver bulltets. I suspect that everyone on the CypherPunks list is either an employee of the NSA, or a member of the alleged 'Circle of Eunuchs'. In the words of the author of "Make BIG $$$", "Email everybody, and let Eudora sort them out." ..................................................... You're just tooooo funny, Toto. Fortunately you also have some agreeably accurate & serious things to say as well, such as: Perhaps if the 'experts', busy discussing highly-technical areas, were to take the time to educate those seeking to gain a wider knowledge of cryptography, then CypherPunks would have a broader base of active crypto-related postings. The more plants that you have in your garden, the less room there is for weeds. A broad base of different types of posters makes the list interesting; a serious consideration of the actual focal subject gives it credibility and respect. Of course, a forum is for conversation; some people who are extremely focused on their work don't want to talk all that much about it, and those who have a lot to say aren't necessarily engaged directly in the actual work involved. It's also much easier to make many small comments on a thread than to present a developed, coherent presentation of one's view. (I credit Tim May for often posting just such messages as these.) As a non-cryptographer my interest in the subject has to do with the role it plays in the context of maintaining/expanding "liberty" and of having tools to employ for privacy and independence from indiscriminate "regulators". Reading only about the code wouldn't keep me super-enthralled. But seeing the effects of it on all aspects of our regulated social existence, with the list as a starting point for understanding, is highly engaging. .. Blanc >

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IWD_ism
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

1-6-96. "Information-Warfare Defense Is Urged" The Defense Science Board said the Pentagon should launch counterattacks against computer hackers by injecting the attackers' computers with "a polymorphic virus that wipes out the system, takes it down for weeks." The report largely sidesteps as irrelevant the continuing controversy about the export of encryption codes. ----- IWD_ism

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17 Dec '03

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Modified Token Posting Scheme
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The proposal to limit "noise" posts by using re-usable tokens is >interesting because it has the effect of filtering and at the >same >time remains responsive because the "moderator" passes judgement >after posting has occurred. > >In essence, the poster is betting that the moderator will approve >the post retroactively. > >The purpose of limiting the tokens available is to give them >value >so that there is a cost associated with losing the bet. > >However, distribution of the tokens has the same problems that >centrally >planned economies have distributing bread. Should people wait in >line, >receive bread at random, or get their bread through connections? > None of >these solutions is attractive. > >The right way to implement the scheme is to use dollars for >tokens >because the USG has already solved the problem of giving the >tokens >value. > >The "moderator" returns the money to people when posts are >worthwhile >and keeps it otherwise. This means that the "bet" can be quite a >bit >larger than a dollar because responsible posters will get their >money >back. Starving graduate students will not be discouraged from >posting. >Abusive posters, anonymous posters, or spam artists will have to >pay >a substantial fee for the privilege. > >Of course, there's no reason to have just one moderator on the >list. >A moderator could just be an e-mail account that forwards mail to >the list if valid payment is received. (Moderators should PGP >sign >their messages so mail forging won't work.) Readers could filter >on which moderators have approved the kinds of posts they want to >read. > >The effect of this scheme is to allow newcomers, infrequent >posters, >or anonymous posters to get through killfiles without taking the >time and effort to develop a reputation. > >Peter Hendrickson >ph(a)netcom.com Why the FUCK don't we just find the antichrist or call on GOD to kill all spammers and then buy a gun and shot holes in the computer?? this whole isssue will never be solved without action get a fuckin real job!!!!!!

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