December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: cycle market
by droelke＠rdxsunhost.aud.alcatel.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > I was trying to think what I would use a cycle market for. The > only thing that I wait for more than a minute on currently is > compiling. Just try doing some large graphical operations - especially raytracing/rendering type stuff, or heavy graphical analysis of a set of image data. Fractal drawing falls in this realm as well. Then try doing some ASIC simulation, or finite element analysis. In this group it also goes without saying that there are also things like factoring large numbers that a cycle market would be ideal for. Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Oelke Alcatel Network Systems droelke(a)aud.alcatel.com Richardson, TX

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LEGISLATIVE: SHORT NOTICE! of a SF SCTB/NRC crypto policy hearing
by Hugh Daniel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Start of forwarded message ------- Date: Fri, 31 May 96 18:12:00 EST From: "CRYPTO" <crypto(a)nas.edu> To: crypto(a)nas.edu Subject: Public briefing on the NRC Crypto Policy report Please post widely. The Computer Science and Telecommunications Board (CSTB) of the National Research Council (NRC) has completed a congressionally mandated study of national cryptography policy. The final report, Cryptography's Role in Securing the Information Society, was released to the public on May 30, 1996. Some members of the committee will conduct a public briefing on the report in Menlo Park, California at SRI International. The briefing will be held in the Auditorium of the International Building from 10 to 11 am on Wednesday, June.5. The address is 333 Ravenswood Avenue, Menlo Park, California, 94025. For more information about the briefing at SRI, contact Alice Galloway at 415-859-2711 (alice_galloway(a)qm.sri.com) If you have suggestions about other places that the committee should offer a public briefing, please let me know (crypto(a)nas.edu or 202-334-2605). A summary of the report ("Overview and Recommendations") is available through http://www2.nas.edu/cstbweb; the full publication will be made available when final printed copies of the book are available (probably around the beginning of August). If you wish to be kept informed of various other public activities regarding dissemination of this report, you can sign up for an e-mail list by visiting the web page http://www2.nas.edu/cstbweb/notifyme.html. I apologize to you for the short notice on this invitation, but hope that you will be able to attend. Herb Lin Senior Staff Officer Study Director CSTB/NRC Study of National Cryptography Policy crypto(a)nas.edu ------- End of forwarded message -------

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Re: Markoff in NYT on NTT/RSA chip
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:08 PM 6/4/96 -0500, Paul Robichaux wrote: >2. Markoff's story says that NTT doesn't have licenses to use RSA >technology (the quote from Junichi Kishigami), but the bit about safely >swapping private-key info makes me wonder if instead they're using DH-- the >patent for which expires next year. A telecom chipset could make productive >use of DH for key exchange at call setup. They could use RSA for key exchange outside the USA because RSA is only patented in the USA. With a license for RSA they could also sell them in the USA. My reading of the New York Times article is compatible with the view that Jim Bidzos is driving a hard bargin for such a license. (However, the article does say that NTT has already sold chips to IBM in the US. I guess you can sell, but not deliver, until you get the license.) Obviously if you are outside the USA, you will buy your equipment from Japan Inc. US manfactures will be frozen out. (However the US can still compete for the Chinese market since such privacy will be illegal there :-). ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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whitehouse web incident, viva la web revolution
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

here's an interesting message about a white house aide pressuring HotWired to change their link pointing to a rant page about Clinton. it reminds me of a recent court decision in which a school tried to shut down a student's web page that he had done on his own time and referred to his school and other teachers. it used to be, "freedom of the presses only belongs to those who own a press". actually this still is, except now it only costs $20/mo to own a worldwide "cyberspace press" via web pages. hence what we get are interesting new social situations reminiscent of the tension that surrounded Martin Luther's posting of the 99 theses in the middle ages. you have people who had controlled the situation suddenly put off balance by a new medium. the power of information dissemination is rather significant, and the web is the most sophisticated information dissemination technology ever invented by man. I expect it to have very far-reaching social ramifications. we have barely scratched the surface.. cpunks are very interested in things like anonymity to save oneself from the government. another approach is to simply crow-bar the government in any way you can, whenever possible, to make it better serve your interests. web pages have this intrinsic power-- they're like a subtle, invisible crow bar that can influence the world via public opinion. could there be a day when nobody sees a need to hide from a government, because it is so uninvasive? ------- Forwarded Message From: "Steve Wingate" <steve(a)linex2.linex.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:27:28 -0700 Subject: (Fwd) WH Censorship of Web Sites (Attempted) - - -> SearchNet's snetnews Mailing List - - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:38:12 -0500 (CDT) To: cs(a)oak.oakland.edu From: ed(a)athenet.net (Edward Immler) Subject: WH Censorship of Web Sites (Attempted) The Skeleton Closet (at http://www.realchange.org) provides a site for those things presidential candidates would rather not discuss. They cover all candidates and include a link to our current Prez. I've included the link below. Looks like this was quietly reversed, the offender sent on (to a nice job), and nothing in the national media. Clipper, V-chip, and now plain-old intimidation. The WH is working hard to control your info. Ed ********************************************************************* [Mr. Tall Skeleton2] Bill Clinton's Skeleton Closet [Mr. Tall Skeleton] [Picture of Clinton] News Flash: White House Suppresses Skeleton Closet In a shocking blunder, the White House successfully put pressure on Hotwired Magazine to stop linking President Clinton's name to this very web page. This was all done behind the scenes -- we had no idea until we read Brock Meek's Netizen column of April 30th. The White House official involved, David Lytel, was in charge of creating the popular Clinton White House web site. He recently left the White House, and is working for a private web page consultant. At a conference, he attacked Netizen for being cynical and unfair, citing the Skeleton Closet link. Meeks, in response, noted that Hotwired had removed the link after receiving official pressure from the White House. In Hotwired's "Threads" discussion, another Hotwired employee admitted that they had been "intimidated" by receiving email from the "whitehouse.gov" domain early in Netizen's infancy, and said she regretted that they caved in. Lytel's argument -- that it was "dishonest" to link Clinton's name to a page criticizing him -- is silly of course. Apparently, he thinks the only "honest" link is one that goes to a person's own web page, no matter how self- serving it is. More to the point, this is a terrible precedent. As far as we know, it is the first attempt by any American government to squelch part of the Internet for nakedly political reasons. (The attack on adult material online, while obviously political, has legitimate issues -- or at least a reasonable excuse -- behind it.) And doing it privately, behind closed doors, makes it even worse. If we were simply seeking publicity, we'd run to Republican politicians (who desperately need an issue) and hope they try to use it. But that would be hypocritical. It's exactly that kind of partisan misuse of legitimate scandals that we are trying to make obsolete here - - -- because it muddles legitimate issues (like White House censorship of critics) in stupid, partisan manipulation. We're trying to contact the White House directly, to get them to disavow Lytel's actions. We'll let you know what happens. Update: White House Backs Down, Sort Of. We challenged the White House to confirm or deny that Lytel pressured Hotwired, to disavow his actions if true, and commit to a policy of avoiding this type of censorship. Within two days, they replied as follows: "Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 17:06:49 -0400 (EDT) From: WEBMASTER (WEBMASTER(a)a1.eop.gov) Subject: RE: White House WWW Comments To: webmaster (webmaster(a)realchange.org) Posting-Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 17:09:00 -0400 (EDT) It is our policy not to interfere with the content of other WEB sites." We'll take that as an admission that Lytel was out of line, and a solid commitment to doing the right thing in the future. Of course, they didn't live up to that policy before, and words are cheap. - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ---- And now, on with the Clinton's Skeleton Closet page. What can we say about Bill and Hillary that hasn't been said before? Clinton's scandals are covered in such loving detail by his enemies that we are providing you with links to various Clinton scandal pages. Eventually, we will boil it all down and sort out the really good dirt from the crazy stuff, but there's JUST SO MUCH to wade through! The frustrating thing about Clinton's scandals is that the press focuses on two-bit scandals of little importance, such as Whitewater and this ridiculous travel office "scandal", while ignoring much more significant dirt, such as the Mena, Arkansas contra supply and drug operation (see link below), Hillary's $100,000 commodity profit from a $1,000 investment, and a new charge -- that a federally funded educational operation in New York paid her $100,000, for who knows what. And no one (save a few voices on the left) are protesting Clinton's hugely successful fundraising and favors for people who have provided it, including the Tyson Chicken empire. Running against Gramm, Dole and Alexander, this isn't likely to be an issue, but it is a major fault of the President. Political Favors for Campaign Contributors Though his administration floundered at first, Clinton has quickly learned one aspect of Washington -- how to raise money from business interests. He has set records in fund-raising, eclipsing even Dole's huge haul (though not by much.) Of course, if Dole was President he would no doubt regain the lead. And some contributors seem to think their money is well spent. For example, Clinton raised over a quarter million dollars from ADM, Bob Dole's major benefactor, and pushed through a regulation benefiting them mightily. On the other hand, 2 Arkansas firms that formerly bankrolled Clinton (and received help from his administration) have switched their support to Dole -- both Tyson Chicken and Stephens investment brokers apparently figure Dole gives a better return per contribution dollar, or is more likely to win. Money and Favors: Archer Daniels Midland For example, he has received at least $270,000 from Archer Daniels Midland corporation, the agricultural giant famous for spreading money among various influential people, from Bob Dole to National Public Radio. Just days after Clinton received a $100,000 check in June 1994, his administration ordered that 30% of gasoline sold in American's 9 most polluted cities contain ethanol based additives by 1996 (as opposed to cheaper methanol.) Archer Daniels makes 60% of US ethanol for gas, and none of the methanol. Bob Dole, who receives even more money from Archer Daniels and its president, actually supported the Clinton Administration's mandate, even while arguing against Clinton's health care proposal for nearly identical federal mandates. (Courts have block Clinton's 30% rule, saying he lacked power to favor ethanol over methanol.) $100,000 for Hillary from an Educational Foundation This allegation just came out January 10, so bear with us on it's sketchiness. New York state's new Attorney General Dennis Vacco (a Republican) is investigating a $100,000 in payments to Hillary or the Rose Law Firm from the National Center on Education and the Economy, a charity that was in Rochester New York and has since moved to Washington, DC Hillary was on their board, as were Mario Cuomo and Ira Magaziner, but no other board members were paid. The justification is that Hillary was paid to carry out some programs. When this story came out a month ago, Vacco announced he was asking for contracts with Hillary or the Rose Law Firm and a description of any work she actually did. Nothing more has come of it, which -- in an election year - indicates that nothing substantial has turned up. - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ---- Try these links, but use a grain of salt; some of the sources are pretty marginal. Disgraced Clinton Administration Officials Yahoo's Whitewater Scandal Page Mena, Arkansas: Contra & Drug Smuggling Center? Nick Chase's Mena, Arkansas and Whitewater pages. Quotes "I'm someone who has a deep emotional attachment to 'Starsky and Hutch.' " -- Bill Clinton, 1996 "I don't think [Bill Clinton] is fooling around anymore. Nor do I think he will. I read that Hillary threw a lamp at him. ... You know something? I think she did." -- Ann Landers Sources "Primary Colors", by 'Anonymous', 1996 Wall Street Journal, in general, and in particular: ....January 12, 1996 pA14 ....January 8, 1996 pA1 ....December 18, 1995 pA16 ....December 29, 1995 pA1 ....March 23, 1995 p A1 ....February 22, 1995 p A1 ....January 13, 1995 p A12 "The Mena Coverup", Micah Morrison, Wall Street Journal, October 18, 1994 p A18 "The Real Cost of Ethanol" and "Dwayne's World", Dan Carney, Mother Jones, January, 1995 "Aides Saw Political Threat In Clinton Loans From '90", Jeff Gerth, New York Times, May 6, 1995 p7 "Ann Landers Repents For Slurring The Pope", Associated Press, December 1, 1995 "Blocking the Box", Rick Marin, Newsweek, March 11, 1996 "NY Official Probes Payment to Mrs. Clinton", Associated Press, January 12, 1996 BACK TO SKELETON CLOSET Paid for by Real People For Real Change PAC and not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee. Real People For Real Change is registered with the Federal Election Commission as a non-affiliated, independent political action committee. Copyright 1996 Real People For Real Change PAC ******************************************************************* *Edward F. Immler Lawrence Chemists * *ed(a)athenet.net are Free Radicals * * * *Lawrence University '95 * *Interests: HAZMAT, EPA/OSHA Compliance, SARA III, Wastewater * *DISCLAIMER: Opinions are mine...unless someone else agrees * ******************************************************************* Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.linex.com/ufo/ - - -> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo(a)alterzone.com - - -> Posted by: "Steve Wingate" <steve(a)linex2.linex.com> - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Re: Java
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:06 AM 6/4/96 -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Bill Frantz writes: >> I'll say. You have also ignored some of Java's other features. Machine >> independence is probably the most important. > >Many languages are machine independent. Thats hardly a new feature. >... >However, your point is taken. Java is a neat little language in many >ways. However, that isn't cause enough for literally fifty books on >the subject to be on display, including breathless ones proclaiming >"Tips from experienced Java programmers!" as if there are any in the >world at this point. There are dozens of cute little languages in the >world -- scheme, smalltalk, etc, etc. I guess I tend to react to the Java hype with bemusement rather than horror. I enjoy joking with the clerks at Computer Literacy Bookstore about the "Java book of the day". However, unlike so much of the industry's over hyped marketing, with Java there is actually something worth while hidden under the massive hype. Java appears to have a chance of being adopted widely in the industry. We can discuss until the cows come home why Smalltalk, Scheme etc. have not achieved wide usage. I suspect it may be a combination of unfamiliar syntax, licensing issues, version compatibility issues, and the inability to do low level programming. These issues may also hit Java, but for now it is the nicest language around with a bandwagon behind it. If it replaces Basic, that will be a significant step forward. >I mean, with all the "Teach yourself Java in 21 days" and company >books coming out, you would think you were dealing witht he major >application programming language for the world instead of something >that at the moment is used for almost nothing more interesting than >fake scrolling LED sign applets. I agree that all the hype has been about applets. However there is one common non-applet Java application that shows that significant applications can be written in Java. That application is the Java compiler itself. If you are running on a Sun system, you can do real applications today. (On the Mac you are still in the "applet jail", but I haven't opened the latest Java environment that arrived on my desk last month, so I may be obsolete.) >> If you want defense in depth, run your Java interpreter in an OS >> environment which limits the interpreter's access to only those resources >> you wish it to access. > >Since that doesn't exist, it isn't an option for my users. It is not, >in any case, my obligation to make Java secure. I'm not the one hyping >it. I thought this was the effect the Unix people get when they run applications such as firewall code in a "chroot jail". Perhaps Netscape could make you happy by having its Unix based browsers run Java applet interpreters in such a jail. (I don't know, Unix is an imperfectly spoken foreign language to me.) >You could hand any websurfer a Netscape PGP plugin without much work >at all, and you could easily build it on lots of platforms. After all, >look at how many platforms that lowly C code like PGP runs on. Why don't we have one of these now? (N.B. not a rhetorical question) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: Class III InfoWar: TST Article
by Rev. Mark Grant, ULC 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Dan Haskovec wrote: > Here's the reply I got from a friend that I forwarded it to.... > and the verdict is... NetMYTH! I checked the cite in the article on > cyberterrorism... no such article ran on 6/2/96 in the Times > (London)... nor, in fact, in any newspaper available on Nexis... > just thought I would let you know... Hate to tell ya, but I read this article on Sunday on the front page of a real, physical, paper copy of the Sunday Times. Now admittedly I read it in a film studio so they might have faked it, but that would be some strange coincidence. Mark

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Senator Exon & me
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am not one to lash out at anyone but now I feel it is appropite to tell the group what our very own Senator Exon has said to myself. If you do not care then delete this e-mail but if you would like to hear what a senator said to a 13 year old then read on. I will not put on the whole letter just the parts that I deem inapropite. He wrote: I'm not flaming you. You might not even get flamed this time. But you will be. This is just the kind of message which I hate. It is a waste of my time and a waste of time for people who have a lot less time than I. Please wait for a legitimate reason to post. I might patronize your age but I won't - I was a 13-year-old net kid once. #1 If you really wanted to show just had balls (I hate to use the phrase but I can't think of anything better) you wouldn't hide behide remailers. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Current Girlfriend(s)- Lindsey Wilcox, Laura Schubring He wrote: I don't want to be around the first time you send your girlfriend(s) e-mail. I predict an ass-kicking of MAJOR proportion. #2 This is kinda an inside joke ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I really hate to waste your people times with my messages but aren't we all on this mailing list to learn? I'm 13 hell, I bet there are people on the list that are 5 times as old as me. I want to say that I really wanted to talk to Senator Exon on an IRC channel but I can't seem to mail him due to his cowerdness. I want to apologize to everyone that I may have said some things things that were wrong in the past but I'm learning and hope to have a great job in the computer indusrty (if there really are any). i will close saying that it was wrong that someone would creatique a 13 year old's signatrure. I feel that is wrong but hell, I guess I just to young to be a cyberkid. Thank you for hearing me out. :-) Ps if you want the full letter e-mail me and i'll sent it to you. Quoting my computer teacher at school- "The internet has its share of cool people and its lamers. The lamers are your people on AOL, hacker wantabees and your government officals" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blake "Pokey" Wehlage Gaa- 3.69 <jwilk(a)iglou.com> Record- 2-4-4 Age- 13 Final Standings- 2nd Place (Beat in Championship) President & Founder: Revolution Software "I have the fastest glove in the east!" Profanity Software "Hackers never stop hacking they just get caught" VSoft My life- Rarely eat or sleep, Hack til' 7:00a, goto school, play goalie til' 8:00p, hack til' 7:00a Hank Aaron- d:-)!-< Pope- +<:-) Santa Claus- *<:-) The Unabrower |:-) Current Girlfriend(s)- Lindsey Wilcox, Laura Schubring Personal Quote- Mr Plow, thats my name, that name aguin is Mr. Plow -Homer Simpson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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On the Hill: Child Porn "Morphing"
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hearings on the hill over the child pornographer horseman: "Morphing" seems to be the latest buzzword for putting childrens faces on the bodies of adult models in sexually explicit poses and seems to have attracted enough attention to warrant congressional attention. Interesting that the media is playing this up as a "net" deal. (As if somehow it were impossible to do without the all powerful and evil internet. I'd like to see exactly how they word the proposed prohibitons. What constitutes "child" when the face painted on is pure artistry? Will we see a simple and strict prohibition over modifiying sexually explicit pictures to make them appear to be of younger models (whatever their apparent age may be)? Will we see a subjective test as to what is "child looking" enough? Silliness. All silliness. Prediction: Some manner of law will be on the books (Or perhaps passed, but unsigned) before the election attempting to prohibit some form of this activity. Certainly Clinton is not going to veto such a bill before the election, which is doubtlessly when the right is going to try to push it through. (Can they streamline it enough to get a vote in time?) --- My preferred and soon to be permanent e-mail address:unicorn@schloss.li "In fact, had Bancroft not existed, potestas scientiae in usu est Franklin might have had to invent him." in nihilum nil posse reverti 00B9289C28DC0E55 E16D5378B81E1C96 - Finger for Current Key Information Opp. Counsel: For all your expert testimony needs: jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:30 PM 6/4/96, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >To which Jim Bell replied: > >>I have a solution to that problem. > >My question for member of this list is: When Bell finally >goes too far and they arrest or shoot him, how can we best >capitalize on his martyrdom? Or in a more negative light, >what damage control will we need to do in that case? > >Now I know that barking dogs rarely bite, but Jim may just >fool us and find his cajones. In any event, the sort of >yapping he is doing could itself be considered a crime that >could attract the sort of negative attention he apparently >craves. > >Any suggestions? As we've all learned from our studies of quantum cryptography, the answer lies in Bell's Theorem. As we know, Bell's Theorem says that if a Bell is ever removed in one place, another Bell appears someplace else instantaneously. Glad to be of help. --Klaus! von Future Prime

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Re: Class III InfoWar: TST Article
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:34 PM 6/4/96, Steven Levy wrote: >If it's a myth, it's quite an elaborate one. On Saturday night I was >interviewed by the BBC about this. The producer read the entire article >to me, telling me in was on the front page of the Times. (My comments >were not about the specific story, but the underlying security issues.) I >don't think he was making it up. On the substance of Schwartau's claims about "HERF guns," I'm a bit skeptical that this is a real threat _at this time_. I'll say more on this later. On some of the points raised by the article, some things don't compute. At one point it is claimed that no one who in London (and presumably elsewhere) would ever dare to comment on threats received or extortion demands met. If so, how does the author know such threats have actually been made? (I mean credible threats, not anonymous call-in threats, such as bomb threats.) I read Winn Schwartau's book, "Information Warfare," as preparation for being interviewed for a BBC "Horizon" show called "The I-Bomb." Coincidentally, a friend of mine who shall remain nameless was doing some consultation work on this very issue (HERF guns, suitcase impulse sources, etc.). Magnetohydrodynamic RF sources--not to be confused with "electromagnetic pulse" (EMP) from extraatmospheric nuclear blasts--can generate huge RF fields in small packages, by focussing explosions in conjunction with coils to launch the pulses. So, why am I so skeptical? For a couple of reasons: 1. Conventional explosives work perfectly fine for a lot of sabotage efforts. It is unlikely that a mysterrious van is likely to be parked next to a London brokerage or computer firm in the City of London, given their history of terrorism. 2. To be a credible threat, there usually needs to be some form of "demonstration." I have heard of no such thing. Absent such a public demonstration, I find it hard to believe that beancounters would OK the giving away of hundreds of millions of dollars for a threat which is abstract and hard to understand for laymen. 3. This recent story smacks of hype. I'm not saying Schwartau is hyping his conferences and his book, and his consulting business, just saying it strikes me as a hyped threat without direct confirmation. So sue me. (On second thought, in this litigious society, please don't.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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