December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Mac S/WAN (encrypted ip) mailing list..
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: mac-crypto(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)webstuff.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:13:16 -0800 From: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)webstuff.apple.com> To: Multiple recipients of <mac-crypto(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Mac S/WAN (encrypted ip) mailing list.. hi; as promised I have create a mailing list that will be focused on developing secure networking technology on the Macintosh. (ipsec,SKIP & OT etc) there are aleady a variety of ways todo this sucessfully with opentransport that involve createing a STREAMS modules to do ipsec. I will refer you to http://www.cygnus.com/~gnu/swan.html for more info about a great project that is underway that could really use a Mac implementation. for now , it will be an open list, you can subscribe to it by Send mail to mailto:majordomo@thumper.vmeng.com containing the single text line subscribe mac-swan Expect to receive confirmation when the majordomo daemon handles on your request. to contibrute to this list send email to mailto:mac-swan@thumper.vmeng.com Vinnie Moscaritolo ------------------ "friends come and friends go..but enemies accumulate." http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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Down-Under Bounce Attack halted
by David Lesher / hated by RBOC's in 5 states 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The postmaster of that AU site running the bounce attack assures me he has been able to vanquish the daemon running the box in question; despite the fact he did not even know it was there ;-} [Don't ask..] -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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RE: Taxation Thought Experiment
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: azur(a)netcom.com I've posed similar questions to friends and aquaintences. The working-class stiffs (who can't easily hide from the IRS) feel taxes are an unwelcome but necessary burden in order to provide the blanket of government protection they feel exists. They resent and oppose widespread tax fraud. Self-employed tend to be more open to 'alternative' income structuring. ..................................................... Just before the elections I heard on NPR and read in an article in a local newspaper, some people's stories of how they converted from Democrat to Republican. Most of them said that athough they were originally idealistic about all the good things which government can do, when they started their own businesses they were suddenly confronted with all the excruciating regulation and rigmarole which any business must deal with on a daily basis while just trying to get some work accomplished. Very quickly they realized the consequences of a lot of the government proposals which they had heretofore supported. So I realized that experience is not only the best teacher, but it is also the best argument against bad cases of faith in government-run economies. Sometimes a person can't understand what the problem is unless they've "been there", and once a person becomes self-employed, starts a business, or becomes an investor in an enterprise, the light dawns and they Understand. I'm happy when I read that more and more of those people who are "down-sized" or layed off are turning to self-employment and starting their own companies, because this means that more people will acquire through direct experience (that is, confrontation with govmt agencies) the details of real-life economics which were left out of high school & college. And this means more economics&tax-savvy voters in existence for govmt candidates to face in the elections. .. Blanc

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Re: New Linux-IPSEC mailing list for the S/WAN project
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk writes: > > > Yeah, right. Be sure to ask Paul Bradley to implement his brute force > > attack on one-time pads. :-) > > I retracted this and as I explained the post was in error as I was > talking about stream ciphers when I should have been taking about > OTPs. Please read a little deeper into my post asshole. I've got more interesting things to do than read "deeper" into your ignorant drivel. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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December Cypherpunks Meeting at PGP Inc.
by Dave Del Torto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks December Meeting Notice (1 of 3) I'm pleased to announce that PGP Inc will be hosting December's Cypherpunks physical meeting at our offices in Redwood Shores (mid-peninsula). We really hope to see you here physically, both to present existing/new topics and projects and also to briefly check out what we're doing. If you want to mark your calendars in advance (there'll be two more reminders), here's the basic info: HOST: Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. (Dave Del Torto) TIME: 14 December 96 (Saturday) 12 Noon - 6 PM LOCATION: Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. 555 Twin Dolphin Drive Suite 570 Redwood Shores CA 94065 USA (directions will follow in the next reminder) Please email me your presentation ideas as soon as possible so I can draw up the agenda for everyone (including some idea of how much time you think you'll need). We'll provide a fast TCP/IP hookup, a workstation (Win95/Mac/UNIX) as needed, an RGB projection device, an overhead projector for transparencies/etc, and any other reasonable equipment you might need (assuming you warn us at least a week in advance). Bagels/Chips will be provided by us, but bring your own beverages. We will pause for a "keysigning moment" near the end of the meeting. If anyone has any early questions, please contact me via email, telephone or even PGPfone (by appointment). My key is available via the URL in the header above. dave ________________________________________________________________________ Dave Del Torto +1.415.65432.31 tel Manager, Strategic Technical Evangelism +1.415.631.0599 fax Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. http://www.pgp.com web

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linux ipsec question
by Alex Strasheim 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been off the list for quite awhile, so if this has been beat to death already, I apologize. Is there any kind of consensus of opinion on the linux-ipsec project? What do people outside of the project think about it? It seems like a very good thing to me, but I don't know much about s/wan, so my opinion isn't worth much. I'm a little curious as to how this project fits in with other secure IP efforts. Will the linux-ipsec software interoperate with other packages? How does it relate to IPv6? Policymaker? Basically, I'm not very clear about the significance of this project. Is it going to be a good package that I could use to encrypt traffic between offices in NY and LA, or is it going to be a package that will let me communicate securely with the net at large, using a well accepted standard? Finally, what do you all think about the basic way this is set up? I mean, does it make sense to use a linux box with two net cards to protect a lan? Or should secip software be built into individual devices, like it is in IPv6? Is this a standard that might get picked up by someone like cisco? Etc. Thanks... -- Alex Strasheim, alex(a)proust.suba.com

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(fwd) NSA And Vince Foster?
by vznuri＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

gadzooks, has anyone seen this yet? atom bomb type stuff here. I guess we won't hear Perry and others rant about Vince Foster material on the list any more, eh? From: softwar(a)us.net (Charles R. Smith) Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto Subject: NSA And Vince Foster? Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 00:36:45 GMT ======== ubject: NSA FOSTER DOCS: FOSTER INVOLVED IN NSA COMPUTER ESPIONAGE ISSUES From: "John Q. Public" <jqp(a)globaldialog.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:13:29 -0600 not to be used for commercial purposes from the Nov. 11, 1996 issue of The Washington Weekly posted with permission NSA RELEASES DECLASSIFIED FOSTER DOCUMENTS The National Security Agency has now released the first batch of documents in response to a Washington Weekly FOIA request filed in August of 1995. The documents, pertaining to the late Vincent W. Foster and his work with the NSA and with Systematics Inc. have many passages and names blacked out and some documents bear "Confidential" or "Secret" classifications. The first batch of documents contain 77 pages. After conversations with NSA staff, we understand that an additional estimated 600 to 700 pages of documents will be released pending review by other intelligence agencies. The Washington Weekly eventually will make all documents available on its web site. VINCE FOSTER INVOLVED IN NSA COMPUTER ESPIONAGE ISSUES One morning in May of 1993, a mini bus left the National Security Agency at Ft. George G. Meade, Maryland. It drove directly to the White House to pick up Bernard Nussbaum and Vincent W. Foster. From there, the party proceeded to the Justice Department to pick up Webster Hubbell and John Rogovin. At the Supreme Court, Justice John Paul Stevens joined the party. They all returned to the NSA for a secret roundtable discussion with top NSA officials on Codebreaking and Telecommunications. On the agenda were items such as: * What Has Happened to SIGINT * How We Handle Crypt[ology] Problems * Problems We Face In The Future * Rule of Law Only this broad outline of the meeting is revealed in a recently declassified NSA document. But it makes clear that one of Vince Foster's responsibilities at the White House was cryptology and intelligence gathering. As such, he was privy to top secrets. That would explain the presence of two NSA binders deposited by Vince Foster in a White House safe. So why did the White House deny that Foster was working on NSA documents? Last May, White House spokesman Mark Fabiani told the Washington Times that "There were no National Security Agency documents that he was working on that were in his possession." Why did the White House try to conceal Foster's NSA ties? Why did Fabiani find it necessary to contradict the sworn statement of Foster's secretary Deborah Gorham, who said that "There were two one-inch ring binders that were from the National Security Agency"? Published in the Nov. 11, 1996 Issue of The Washington Weekly Copyright (c) 1996 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) -- ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ \ / ~/ |\| | | |> | : : : : : : Vladimir Z. Nuri : : : : <vznuri(a)netcom.com> \/ ./_.| | \_/ |\ | : : : : : : ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/vz/vznuri/home.html

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Re: Child Protective Services and Political Views
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Duncan Frissell wrote: > At 11:26 AM 11/12/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: > >Who knows, it may even be a > >technical crime ("contributing to the delinquency of a minor"?) to even > >discuss basic libertarian ideas with a minor. And as I said, Child > >Protective Services could quite possibly seize a child whose parents were > >sufficiently vocal about their beliefs.) > One shouldn't be vocal to public employees in any case. Avoid them. If > you are going to be vocal use a non government forum. Separate your > personal life from your political life. It's not too hard to break most of > the pointers between your physical presence and your ideological presence. > Even though an investigator could find where I sleep at night, they would > have to actually expend the resources. My neighbors and the local cops are > unlikely to make the connection because they and I move in very different > circles and I minimize my database presence. [snip] Those people who live a very simple life [no TV, or at least no Cable TV, sleep on the floor with a small, thin mattress, use very little power outside of what's necessary for the laptop AC adapters, drive the smallest cheapest car available, wear old clothing, wear a beard to cut down on shaving, eat mostly veggie and mostly fresh, avoid doctors and drugstore products, stay away from large-corporation jobs, move frequently, rent but never buy, .... (you get the picture)] will get by just fine, and will have the flexibility to make large-scale adjustments rather easily. People who consider the opposite of some of the things mentioned above as very important to them will have to deal with the bad news.

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Secrecy: My life as a nym
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>At 10:14 PM 11/11/96 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: > >>This is an interesting topic. I apologize if my questions are too trivial, >>but here they are: >> >> 1) Can a person without an SSN have a credit record? Some >> may say that a credit record is a bad thing to have, >> but I am still interested in a possibility. >> 2) Will private lenders (such as credit card issuers or >> mortgage companies) agree to extend credit to a person >> without an SSN or to someone who refuses to give out his SSN? >> 3) Will the state issue a driver's license to someone who does not >> have/does not wish to give out their SSN? >> 4) Will states' police (where applicable) approve purchases of >> firearms if purchasers do not state their ssn (misstating it >> may be a crime) on an application? >> 5) Employers are required to pay certain taxes and therefore >> they, in my understanding, need to know their employees SSNs. >> How can people get around that (unless they do not need to work)? >> 6) Can someone without an SSN obtain various kinds of insurance? >> Some recent congressional actions or court rulings regarding the mandidate for SSN (Source: National Organization for Non-Enumeration (NONE), http://ime.net/none) * Public Law 104-193 President Clinton Signs Welfare Bill. The bill includes a number of sections attempting to expand the use of the Social Security number and creates new state and federal databases for personal information. * H.R. 3598 Prohibits certain misuses of the Social Security number. Prohibits any person from utilizing any person's Social Security number for purposes of identification of such person without the written consent of such person. * H.R. 3110 Disclosure of Social Security number. Provides for disclosure by the Social Security Administration of Social Security numbers and other records to judgments, or orders issued by courts of competent jurisdiction. * H.R. 4209 Requires applicants registering to vote to provide Social Security number. Amends the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 to require each individual registering to vote in elections for Federal office to provide the individual's Social Security number. * S. 580 Illegal Immigration Control and Enforcement Act of 1995. Provides for a reduction of acceptable employment-verification documents. * S. 999 Illegal Immigration Control Act of 1995. Provides for the issuance of enhanced social security cards for citizens and mandates employer verification of the number. * Olympia, Washington. Court rules no "right to labor" without social security number. * Bar None New Hampshire attorney, was suspended from the Maine Bar because he refused to disclose his Social Security number. Reinstated after agreeing to Consent Decree. * Texas Tech Texan was terminated from his employment for failing to provide a social security number. Filed a religious discrimination claim with EEOC. Rehired under provisions of Consent Decree. * Stop The Press Washington state youth was fired from his newpaper route for not having a Social Security number. Rehired after proving federal law does not require enumeration as a condition of employment. * Vote! Vote! Virginia's law requiring all citizens to provide their Social Security number in order to become registered to vote imposes "an intolerable burden" on their right to vote. * Taco's Are His Life Ohio teenager fired by Taco Bell for refusing to provide a Social Security number. Rehired after proving there is no requirement to provide number to employer. * Social Security Number Not Needed For Licenses Virginians can choose not to have their SSN appear on their driver's license. * Driver License District of Columbia law requiring applicants for driver's license to provide their Social Security number held invalid. -- Steve

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RE: Taxation Thought Experiment
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Blanc wrote: >Just before the elections I heard on NPR and read in an article in a >local newspaper, some people's stories of how they converted from >Democrat to Republican. > >Most of them said that athough they were originally idealistic about all >the good things which government can do, when they started their own >businesses they were suddenly confronted with all the excruciating >regulation and rigmarole which any business must deal with on a daily >basis while just trying to get some work accomplished. Very quickly >they realized the consequences of a lot of the government proposals >which they had heretofore supported. > A case in point: A small company which manufactures premium, hand-rolled, cigars received a bill from the ATF for an unpaid tax and penalties. The notice indicated that the particular tax was over 5 years delinquint. When asked where in the over 500 pages of ATF regulations this tax was documented the investigator said he didn't know and indeed didn't find it after weeks of trying. Finally and expert in D.C. found the obscure reference. The company wanted to know why they were being billed for this tax after almost a decade of operation. They were told that althought the tax has been on the books the ATF had only recently programmed its computers to access the tax. Nevertheless, the tax and penalties were owed, billed or not.

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