December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Finjan "SurfinGate"
by Mike McNally 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Check out http://www.finjan.com and the stuff about "SurfinGate". The software supposedly can perform an on-the-fly inspection of a Java applet or ActiveX control, and then apply a signature to it along with a "safety" level qualifier to feed into a configurable policy mechanism. Any ideas as to how you can look at an ActiveX control and determine whether it's safe or not? -- ______c_________________________________________________________________ Mike M Nally * IBM % Tivoli * Austin TX * How quickly we forget that mailto:m5@tivoli.com mailto:m101@io.com * "deer processing" and "data http://www.io.com/~m101/ * processing" are different!

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for people from .CZ domain
by Kamil Golombek 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi to all! i'd like to meet or know people, who read this list and are from Czech republic. Some kind of cooperation is possible. Conversation even in Czech (but i prefer English) . Could you send me an e-mail? Maybe we live several km far from each other and we aren't able to comunicate. i also apologize to all, who are from different state and must read this letter. Sorry! Thanks ZERO

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Word Lists
by kb4vwa＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm looking for a Large Word List, for a pkcrack program. Anyone have any idea where to find one, or how to convert a dictionary formated file to a wordlist file? Ed

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killfiling aga@dhp.com
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:45 AM 11/21/96 -0800, nobody(a)cypherpunks.ca (John Anonymous MacDonald) wrote: [discussing aga(a)dhp.com] >I should'a kill-filed this sicko long ago. Agreed. But if you (and other anonymous posters) are going to continue to reply to him or other unproductive kooks, would you please put their addresses somewhere in the headers of your messages (perhaps in the To: or Cc: or Subject:) headers so that the rest of us who are using killfiles won't have to read your replies? -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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RE: Word List
by Mullen, Patrick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Note: I changed the list to Cypherpunks, since this is more relative to that list. Crack, the UN*X /etc/passwd cracker comes with a very large dictionary. I assume you want one for the same purpose (maybe not...). I can't remember for sure, but I believe it is a plain ASCII file. Go to webcrawler and request "crack and unix" (w/out quotes) and you'll find a listing. A site named /.hAcKiNg./ or something like that will show up. It has Crack in pkzip format. BTW, this is a DOS application, *not* UN*X... ~ Patrick >---------- >From: kb4vwa@juno.com[SMTP:kb4vwa@juno.com] > >I'm looking for a Large Word List. > >Anyone have any idea where to find one, or how to convert a dictionary >formatted file to a wordlist file? > >Ed >

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Digital Footprints (Article in UK Guardian)
by Martin Minow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The online edition of the UK Guardian newspaper has a long article on the way that "Internet users leave traces and records of every online action, from sending e-mail or posting to newsgroups to visiting Web sites." ... "At the moment unwanted e-mail is about the limit of the intrusion, but this could change. Internet commentator Dominique Paul Noth points out: "You have no guarantee that the information is intelligently or even accurately employed to your benefit." As more information is collected, it is more useful to those collecting it - and less easily controlled." ... One alternative is making yourself anonymous by deleting cookie files and using mail programs that disguise your identity." "However, making yourself anonymous online means that you cannot personalise Web pages, ask for information via e-mail, or join mailing lists. The issue, as Noth and other commentators recognise, is more to do with how this information is used. Credit card companies know what we are buying, and there is a legal framework to control their use of this information. There is no such framework in force for online information. "It seems that the very lack of "real world" controls over online activity which many Internet users favour has created the environment in which marketing companies can thrive. As long as the Internet is seen as somehow outside the reach of the law, then there will be those who abuse its freedom. So as you surf for Christmas presents, look out for surprises in your mailbox as a result" The full article is at: http://go2.guardian.co.uk/internet/961121wwonDigitlafootprint.html (Note that newspaper articles on the Web are often only visible for a short time.) Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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Re: Word List
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 22:34:38 EST > From: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > Subject: Re: Word List > > >From coderpunks-errors(a)toad.com Thu Nov 21 21:47:48 1996 > Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) > via UUCP; Thu, 21 Nov 96 22:21:56 EST > for dlv > Received: from toad.com by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; > id AA29836 for cypherpunks; Thu, 21 Nov 96 21:47:48 -0500 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA03669 for coderpunks-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:24:43 -0800 (PST) > Received: from Eden.mindport.net (eden.mindport.net [205.219.167.4]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA03664 for <coderpunks(a)toad.com>; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:24:39 -0800 (PST) > Received: from polaris (polaris.mindport.net [205.219.167.2]) by Eden.mindport.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA29275; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:21:36 -0500 > Posted-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:21:36 -0500 > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:23:17 -0500 (EST) > From: Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> > X-Sender: unicorn@polaris > To: Johnny Waters - Staff <waters(a)posh.internext.com> > Cc: coderpunks(a)toad.com, jimg(a)mentat.com > Subject: Re: Word List > In-Reply-To: <199611212150.QAA16115(a)posh.internext.com> > Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.94.961121202302.21331A-100000@polaris> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: owner-coderpunks(a)toad.com > Precedence: bulk > > On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Johnny Waters - Staff wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:50:24 -0500 (EST) > > From: Johnny Waters - Staff <waters(a)posh.internext.com> > > To: coderpunks(a)toad.com, jimg(a)mentat.com > > Subject: Re: Word List > > > > I have a great 190 meg list I could post to the list (har har) > > johnny > > Post it to the "freedom-knights" list instead. > If you do that, the cypherpunks mailing list will be ELIMINATED! I have about 6 different addresses to mailbomb from, and about a dozen men to mailbomb with. > -- > Forward complaints to : European Association of Envelope Manufactures > Finger for Public Key Gutenbergstrasse 21;Postfach;CH-3001;Bern > Vote Monarchist Switzerland > The cypherpunks are faggot PUNKS! The Freedom Knights are REAL MEN. go ahead, try and send a 190 meg mailbomb to the F-K list. It will be the last you will ever see of cypherpunks. That is your last warning, you fucking PUNK! (a PUNK is a wimp with NO BALLS!) -aga

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(fwd) HOLLAND URGENT! HELP NEEDED! (fwd)
by Brad Dolan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't know anything about the particulars of this plea, but I thought it nicely illustrated the potential dangers of a national ID card such as we will soon have. bd ---------- Forwarded message ---------- #From: "Hillel Barak" <freedom(a)netvision.net.il> #Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive #Subject: HOLLAND URGENT! HELP NEEDED! #Date: 22 Nov 1996 20:00:43 GMT ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Hier in Holland, we have been in the past few years regularly confrontated with the problem of Palestinians whose requests for a stay permit in Holland have been rejected and who have been ordered to leave the country, although they cannot go back anywhere. It concerns refugees who are excluded by the "Oslo Agreements", who fled or were expelled from the countries where they resided and who do not have a nationality or any valid papers. We have, for instance, people who used to work for the PLO in Tunis and who had a stay permit there only as employees of the PLO, but who cannot go back since they don't work for the PLO anymore, or people who have been expelled from Kuwait after the Gulf War. It appears that those people's requests for refugee status or stay permit are always rejected, after which they get an expulsion order. In some cases, they are put by the police on a flight to Tunis or elsewhere. When they arrive at the airport there, they are put on the next flight back to Amsterdam. Then the police here put them in the street, without any paper. They are supposed to be "expelled", so that they do not exist in Holland. First they have to find people who can house them. Then, as they have no papers, not even an identity card, they cannot work, have no right to medical help, cannot send their children to school, etc... and totally depend on the charity of the people who house them and are moreover threatened to be arrested for having no papers each time they have to go out (as the police who put them in the street does not even give them a paper explaining why they have no papers: the policy is clearly to insure that they have such a bad time in Holland that they will in the end seek refuge elsewhere). Some people here, who are actively involved in helping refugees, want to put a complaint to the European Court of Justice and the Council of Europe. To do so, we need as much legal information as possible on the "legal" status of those Palestinians refugees who fall out from the "Oslo Agreements" and do not have any nationality or resident status anywhere. So please send me as soon as possible any information, legal texts, etc... about the official status of Palestinian refugees from Tunisia, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Kuwait, Libya or any other country were they might have lived. I request those of you who are lawyers to ask their colleagues who are specialized in international law to give legal information and their advice about the problem. Our point is to show the European instances that those Palestinians who have been expelled from the Arab countries where they once resided have legally nowhere to go and that it is preposterous to deny their existence and give them the status of "expelled persons" to countries they cannot enter. I thank you all very much in advance, Christine Prat ***************************************************************************** Christine Prat POB 16545, 1001 RA Amsterdam E-mail: Christine.Prat(a)let.uva.nl University of Amsterdam *****************************************************************************

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Re: Word Lists
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:40 PM 11/21/96, you wrote: :I'm looking for a Large Word List, for a pkcrack program. : :Anyone have any idea where to find one, or how to convert a dictionary :formated file to a wordlist file? : :Ed : http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.wordlist.asc This is the wordlist for Diceware, and I quote, "7776 short English words, abbreviations and easy to remember character strings. The average length of each word is about 4.2 characters. The biggest words are six characters long. The list is based a longer word list posted to the Internet news group sci.crypt by Peter Kwangjun Suk." This may not be long enough for your needs. The address of the Diceware page is http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.page.html Good luck. Cordially, Alec PGP Fingerprint: Type bits/keyID Date User ID pub 1024/41207EE5 1996/04/08 Alec McCrackin <camcc(a)abraxis.com> Key fingerprint = 09 13 E1 CB B3 0C 88 D9 D7 D4 10 F0 06 7D DF 31

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Re: [REBUTTAL] Censorship on cypherpunks?, from The Netly News
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Firebeard (ouch!) writes: > >>>>> Dave Hayes writes: > >> Yes, ownership gives you a license to censor. I'm going to have a > >> party in my home a few weeks from now. If I don't like what someone > >> is doing, I'll kick 'em out. I won't do it lightly, but I will > >> fight for my right to do so. > DH> Of course, you may invite anyone you choose, since a party is > DH> usually had by inviting people whom you select. If you invite them > DH> and then subsequently kick them out when they do things you do not > DH> want them to do, I will chastise -you- (if I am present) for your > DH> lack of judgement in whom to invite. Their behavior would merely > DH> something to learn from, yours would be fashionably dishonorable. > By "kicking them out", I'd be admitting that my judgement was > in error. I'm big enough to admit that. But are you "big" (by whatever standard) enough to admit that "judgement" of others is the error? > Apparently, you are not big enough to admit such a thing, and would > prefer to cower in the corner while the person whose character you > misjudged drives everyone else away. Why go that far? The people *I* generally invite to parties are quite capable of handling whatever disturbance arises, being "big enough" to realize that "disruptive influences" are only disruptive if one allows them that ability. If I've invited someone who cannot handle their own ability to be disrupted, only -then- is my judgement in "error" by the standard of "error" you seem to be espousing. > DH> BTW, "Kicking them out" is not censorship. A party and a mailing > DH> list are usually two different things. The former may include the > DH> latter, but the latter is not anything like the former. > >> Oh, and I plan to subscribe to the freedom-knights mailing list and > >> infest it the way Vulis did cypherpunks. Every hour, on the hour, a > >> crontab script will flood it with rants about Dave (fart) Hayes. > DH> You won't do this, because I won't let you on the list. I, unlike > DH> you or Mr. Gilmore, have the judgement on whom to invite to my > DH> list. > And Mr Gilmore may not have had the proper judgement, in > allowing everyone to join the list. "Proper" in the sense you seem to mean it, implies that you understand the goal Mr. Gilmore had in mind in allowing everyone to join the list. > But he was big enough to admit that he had made an error in > judgement, and take steps to deal with that error, rather than deny > that he had made the error. Perhaps his judgement was in error > regarding the steps he took, but I expect that if he reaches the > conclusion that he was again in error, he will admit that. Perhaps > that judgement of mine is in error, but I'm big enough to admit that > I'm not perfect. Well. -I-, on the other hand, am so big that I have no need to copiously announce the obvious fact of my imperfection to the world, so I can afford to pretend that I am perfect. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet A passerby caught Nasrudin prying open the window of his own bedroom from the outside in the depths of night. "What are you doing? Locked out?" "Hush!" came the reply. "They say I walk in my sleep. I am trying to surprise myself and find out."

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