December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Snake-Oil FAQ
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:34 PM 9/23/96 -0400, Mark Rogaski <wendigo(a)pobox.com> wrote: >I disagree, I think AC is a pretty scary book for the kind of people who >need the Snake-Oil FAQ. I think the primary target audiences are IS >professionals who are considering integrating crypto into their data >communications and end users who want to send encrypted mail. Neither Besides, it's a good excuse to bash that great purveyor of snake-oil, MicroSoft. Are there _any_ Microsoft products that have "password protection" or "encryption" features that aren't totally wimpy? Word and Excel come with stuff that might keep out your kid sister, but probably wouldn't keep out _my_ kid sister... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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Re: Where to write crypto?
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:24 AM 9/23/96 -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: >Switzerland is not the most liberal (libertarian) of countries. >Getting a work permit can be very tough. However, there are crypto >companies and research groups. Haeglin and ETH-Zurich (ETH is Swiss >Federal Institute of Technology) spring to mind. > >Adam One does not need a work permit to travel around Europe staying in various places and writing crypto. Work permits only apply to residents. DCF

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Ways to deal with cops
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Way to go! >Path: ...!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!nnrp.info.ucla.edu!oak!zeleny >From: zeleny(a)oak.math.ucla.edu (Michael Zeleny) >Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.guns,ca.politics,la.news,misc.legal >Subject: Man Facing Death Sentence For Killing Trespassing Cop >Date: 20 Sep 1996 17:46:21 GMT >Organization: ptyx >Lines: 62 >Message-ID: <51ul9d$21e4(a)uni.library.ucla.edu> >NNTP-Posting-Host: oak.math.ucla.edu > >Do you wonder what happens to civilians unwilling to lie down for >police abuse of power? Daniel Allan Tuffree, 49, a former high school >teacher, the testimony in whose trial ended yesterday, has been charged >with first-degree murder in the shooting death of Officer Michael Clark >13 months ago, after three warrantless police officers traipsed on his >front lawn with their guns drawn -- to check on his welfare. The case, >which is presided over by the notoriously prosecution-friendly Judge >Allan L. Steele in the Simi Valley courthouse that hosted the acquittal >of Rodney King's uniformed assailants in their first trial, will go to >the jury in early October after jury instructions are drawn and lawyers >make their closing arguments. Tuffree faces a possible death sentence. > >Clark was one of three police officers sent to Tuffree's home on >August 4, 1995, after reports that the former Chatsworth High School >teacher had been drinking alcohol, taking Valium and was possibly >suicidal. A gunfight began shortly after police walked into Tuffree's >backyard and started asking him questions, refusing his order to leave >his property. Defense attorneys have argued that Clark fired on >Tuffree first and that police acted improperly. They called expert >witnesses who testified that police should have walked away once they >realized that Tuffree was not hurt or suicidal. > >Lou Reiter, a retired Los Angeles Police Department commander, >testified that Simi Valley police officers made one mistake after >another when they came to Tuffree's home. According to Reiter's >testimony, the three police officers were working with third-hand >information when they arrived at the scene. Before taking action, >they did not devise a plan in case a confrontation occurred with >Tuffree, who was a known gun owner. And they did not announce >themselves before walking into Tuffree's backyard with their guns >drawn, all actions that could have aggravated a distraught man who >reportedly had been drinking alcohol, taking Valium and who had >stopped answering his phone. "No one had anticipated or made an >evaluation of what would happen if things didn't go right," said >Reiter, a private consultant on police procedure who was an LAPD >officer for 20 years. He also told the jury that he believed Simi >Valley Police Sergeant Anthony Anzilotti to have been negligible in >his role as the supervising officer on scene that day, testifying that >"in [his] opinion [Anzilotti] didn't supervise at all." And he said >Clark erred by not walking away from Tuffree's kitchen window once he >realized the former schoolteacher was conscious and not injured: "The >emergency is over; therefore, the right to be in his backyard is >over." > >Reiter denied the claims of two other police experts called by the >prosecution, both of whom testified that Simi Valley police officers >sent to Tuffree's house last summer had a "moral, ethical, and legal" >obligation to follow through with the request to check on Tuffree's >welfare, having no choice but to get close enough to make direct >contact with Tuffree in order to ensure that he was safe. But Reiter, >who retired from the LAPD in 1981, said that "officers always have a >choice," explaining that there are situations in which police can walk >away once they have determined that a person is safe. "There are a >lot of people in their homes that are not confronting a medical >emergency who just want to be left alone," he said. > >See http://www.latimes.com/HOME/COMMUN/NEWS/ZONE26B for more information. > >Cordially, - Mikhail | God: "Sum id quod sum." Descartes: "Cogito ergo sum." >Zeleny(a)math.ucla.edu | Popeye: "Sum id quod sum et id totum est quod sum." >itinerant philosopher -- will think for food ** www.ptyx.com ** MZ(a)ptyx.com >ptyx ** 6869 Pacific View Drive, LA, CA 90068 ** 213-876-8234/874-4745 (fax)

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Banning annoying users
by Daniel Miskell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The not allowing unsubscribed individuals to post is logical, for a time. But that basically outlaws anon remailers that don't allow you to send to an account, and a lot of them don't, from my limited understanding. Besides, if we set up the list to ban people who are 'undesirable', instead of just using our own killfiles to do the dirty work for the list, then what is to stop someone from banning you? Sure, you move on to another list, but, personally, I wouldn't want it done to me, and so I would not do it to someone else. But, like I said, personal killfiles are more than encouraged. It resolves these kinds of conflicts a lot faster and cleaner than debating who and who should not be banned. --- Daniel. -- If in fact we are the only intelligent life on this planet, why the fuck are we in this goddamn mess? -- Find my public key on the World Wide Web -- point your browser at: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html

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crypto help..system help
by KM5Y75088＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am tryint to get involved with crypto and have had a long-distance helper but we are having problems getting our 3.1 based system working with win 95. Uses a GUI programmed in 16 bit visual basic. Need someone willing to come over and help . Dallas area zip 75030 or 75088.....

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Bork book
by Mike McNally 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Bork was on NBC (I think) being interviewed to plug his hot new book "Slouching Towards Gomorrah" (or something like that). The snippet of interview I caught was the last part, with the interviewer asking how Bork could reconcile his desire that we all be more free with his notion that we let the Constitution "control" us, and that legislatures should be able to outlaw all the profanity and indecency that they want. Any of the cypherpunk.lawyers seen this? Bork came across as kind-of a jerk, personality-wise. -- ______c_________________________________________________________________ Mike M Nally * IBM % Tivoli * Austin TX * How quickly we forget that mailto:m5@tivoli.com mailto:m101@io.com * "deer processing" and "data http://www.io.com/~m101/ * processing" are different!

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Re: Previous disk erasing thread
by Bruce M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 05 SEP 1996 10:23:32 -0700 To: Steve Harris <steveh(a)net-services.compulink.co.uk> Newgroups: alt.security Subject: Re: Security Disk Washer Steve Harris wrote: > > When you delete files, you don't really remove the data. DOS simply > marks the area as available for overwriting by new data. Sometimes > this is useful - the "Undelete" program exploits this to allow you to > recover accidentally deleted files. On other occasions, this is a > security risk - you want to prevent people recovering confidential > data. > > This program stops people recovering the data. It wipes all the unused > disk area with random data. This technique provides "after the fact" > protection. Imagine putting all your old confidential documents in a > trash can. "Washer" shreds all the documents in the trash. > > Download your free copy from > http://www.compulink.co.uk/~net-services/wash/ > > Steve Harris - Net Services - Making E-Mail privacy easy > with PGP. http://www.compulink.co.uk/~net-services/pgp/

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Re: We removed radikal 154 from xs4all :(
by pjb＠ny.ubs.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

i was under the impression that germany's goal was to stop the distribution of radikal 154 by xs4all, not by 50 mirror sites. they seem to have accomplished their goal. do you really think that they will let a little thing like reason stand in their way when claiming victory? -paul > From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Tue Sep 24 06:43:51 1996 > From: sameer(a)c2.net > Subject: Re: We removed radikal 154 from xs4all :( > To: tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:22:40 -0700 (PDT) > Cc: tank(a)xs4all.nl, cypherpunks(a)toad.com > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset=US-ASCII> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Content-Length: 397 > > > Unfortunately, this means that Germany wins. > > How does this mean that Germany wins? "radikal 154" is still > available all over the world, at almost 50 mirror sites, I beleive > (including http://www.c2.net/radikal/) which are *not* blocked by > Germany. > > -- > Sameer Parekh Voice: 510-986-8770 > C2Net FAX: 510-986-8777 > The Internet Privacy Provider > http://www.c2.net/ sameer(a)c2.net >

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RE: List participation (noise)
by Mullen Patrick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't know why you guys rank on Tim May so much. Sure, he goes off topic sometimes. Hell, THIS MESSAGE IS OFF TOPIC AS IS THE MESSAGE I'M REPLYING TO! Get the point? Today, I had to delete more than 15 messages related to telling everyone how much of an asshole Tim is because he speaks off topic. Hello? Aren't these blatent (and I feel totally unwarranted) flames off topic? I think everyone should take a step back and look what's happening here. Everyone is so eager to point fingers, and they don't look at the fact that when you first get to your mail in the morning, there are over 100, even over 150 messages waiting for you! Of course, after deleting all of the noise (Thank God that damned TWA thread finally died!), you have maybe 50 messages you have to skim through, of which maybe 10 or 20 survive and go to the archive list of useful information. Maybe I should just stay out of it, but I feel these constant flamings of Tim are horribly wrong, and I've been ignoring the fact that I have to delete 20 messages about him every day for the past week. I actually find a lot of his postings interesting. Yes, half of his postings get the insta-delete-never-even-considered-for-reading treatment, but I just read an insightful message about "provably hard cryptosystems." Cryptosystems- Hm. Imagine that. Cryptosystems mentioned on a list call "Cypherpunks." ... And I thought it was the "Fuck the CIA, let's spread rumors about the US military shooting down commercial airliners out of New York, spam the spammers, kiddie-porn-on-the-net" discussion group... And now the disclaimer... Even with all of the noise, there is a lot of good information on this list, but my delete key is wearing out! :-) And please, if you don't have anything important to say, don't say anything. Posting noise does nothing but generate more noise (Hm... I wonder how much I've just generated! :-) Patrick _______________________________________________________________________________ From: Eric Hughes on Tue, Sep 24, 1996 6:38 Subject: List participation To: cypherpunks(a)TOAD.COM I have been informed that Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> wrote: > [...] Tim's off-topic spews have driven Eric Hughes, John Gilmore, > Rich Salz, and many other former valuable contributors off the > mailing list [...] As for me, I stopped having time to read cypherpunks a year and a half ago. Tim had nothing to do with it. The cypherpunks list has changed and I have changed; so be it. Eric ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com with SMTP;24 Sep 1996 06:38:22 -0400 Received: from toad.com by delphi.ndhm.gtegsc.com with SMTP; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:35:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA22337 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flamingo.sac.net (flamingo.sac.net [207.33.88.33]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22323 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mango.sac.net (mango.sac.net [207.33.88.36]) by flamingo.sac.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA10771 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:21:54 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960923172509.00d6e4e4(a)flamingo.remailer.net> X-Sender: eric(a)flamingo.remailer.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:25:09 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)TOAD.COM From: Eric Hughes <eric(a)sac.net> Subject: List participation Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)TOAD.COM Precedence: bulk

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Re: Bork book
by Marc J. Wohler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:44 AM 9/24/96 -0500, you wrote: >Robert Bork was on NBC (I think) being interviewed to plug his hot >new book "Slouching Towards Gomorrah" (or something like that). > >Bork came across as kind-of a jerk, personality-wise. >-- Heard him on Limbaugh pushing hard for censorship as a cure for society's problems. Looks like Ted Kennedy & Co. were right to keep him off the court. Marc

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