December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Has the list sunk this low?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:04 PM 9/23/96, Wayne H. Allen wrote: >At 08:45 AM 9/23/96 -0400, Wearen Life wrote: >>The CIA has many powers both great and small. If the can cover up findings >>of UFO's > > > > Has this list sunk that low? The list is like a social club, except with more than 1000 members all able to speak up at any time, on any subject. The random babblings of any one person mean little about what other people think. It's a cognitive error to assume the list has some "level" it can sink to, or rise to, or whatever. The best way to improve the S/N ratio is to post good signal, to find topics of interest and then write about them. --Tim May (P.S. I've removed these names from the distribution list: firewalls(a)GreatCircle.COM, Wearen Life <runnerfx(a)octet.com>, Shane Brath <sbrath(a)froglit.scitele.com>, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve(a)skeeve.net>. I again urge people to try to trim the distribution list.) We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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RE: SAK_net
by John Fricker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >John Young (jya(a)pipeline.com) said something about SAK_net on or about 9/23/96 12:59 PM > > 9-23-96. WaJo: > > "SAIC Is Near Agreement to Buy Bellcore" > Didn't SAIC buy Network Solutions (registration part of the NIC) as well? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.9 iQCVAgUBMkb+NbuA0owOB/fpAQGeEwQAoUellf90G+TKT+Lyeqsi21iFqQwNCx5S XJMmLCq6L2bb4L04I15Vz4yk2o8spHgCVKz0bqir16CFr0dCPd74OdIZ6e2mUsGT y5qyFsyE4FCFVt4/1UN1Oeeb2Ap/9Yk/NA4ZM2BNvLqHw7JP6+vvdL7rtCPxRF7u g0RgvJ8NNh4= =K7QY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: We removed radikal 154 from xs4all :(
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:46 PM 9/23/96, Mike McNally wrote: >place. While the Germans are off blocking other sites, xs4all can >re-host the material as soon as the Bundesfeds unblock their ^^^^^^^^^^ Beavis and Bundesfed? --Tim We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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No Subject
by merriman＠amaonline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Tue Sep 24 00:24:32 1996 Return-Path: cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by oak.westol.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA16311 for <shadseek(a)westol.com>; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:24:29 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA22710 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hal.amaonline.com ([207.0.45.76]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22705 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609231753.KAA22705(a)toad.com> Received: from [207.0.45.102] (HELO PINKRNGR) by hal.amaonline.com (AltaVista Mail F1.0/1.0 BL18 listener) id 0000_0070_3246_ce50_809a; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:52:16 -0500 From: "David K. Merriman" <merriman(a)amaonline.com> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Reply-To: merriman(a)amaonline.com X-Priority: Normal Subject: Paradox db passwords/encryption X-Mailer: Pronto Secure [Ver 1.03] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgprequest: signed Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 843540068.001 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Reply-To: merriman(a)amaonline.com Date: Mon Sep 23 12:52:32 1996 Sorry to disturb everyone, but I've got a questions that is (gasp!) immediately related to crypto: Does anyone have any info on the encryption used in the Paradox (4.5 for Win) database? I've got someone that has an encrypted (well, password-protected :-) Paradox database that needs some maintenance, and the person that knew the password is now - shall we say - 'no longer with them'. Right now, doesn't matter if it's something clever, or a brute-force hack; they just need to get into the tables and such. Dave Merriman - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PGP Email welcome, encouraged, and PREFERRED. Visit my web site at http://www.shellback.com/p/merriman for my PGP key and fingerprint "What is the sound of one hand clapping in a forest with no one there to hear it?" I use Pronto Secure (tm) PGP-fluent Email software for Windows -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMkYXlcVrTvyYOzAZAQGcxgQAleY6gXoM1n0AbYSUogW9Zo4brlHgsEHW vs3aAh+DQEaWJKc9ltXlDK94su9uJbAo3gb4cvG0EnBDifpqlS/bya7fG9KlcM6H k6REe2Ui6xBLtbjJTa5fmAjmeLYPSKnF5z6Eql8VpdZPoS0hqKZKgdyogMrai4Dx esOt90XBqVk= =hibj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: A daily warning regarding Tim ... [edited]
by Daniel Miskell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The not allowing unsubscribed individuals to post is logical, for a time. But that basically outlaws anon remailers that don't allow you to send to an account, and a lot of them don't, from my limited understanding. Besides, if we set up the list to ban people who are 'undesirable', instead of just using our own killfiles to do the dirty work for the list, then what is to stop someone from banning you? Sure, you move on to another list, but, personally, I wouldn't want it done to me, and so I would not do it to someone else. But, like I said, personal killfiles are more than encouraged. It resolves these kinds of conflicts a lot faster and cleaner than debating who and who should not be banned. Daniel.

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by Wyntermute＠postoffice.worldnet.att.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by gary＠systemics.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Tue Sep 24 00:06:48 1996 Return-Path: cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by oak.westol.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA15647 for <shadseek(a)westol.com>; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:06:48 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23286 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smokey.systemics.com (smokey.systemics.com [193.67.124.65]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23280 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from internal-mail.systemics.com (kp1HuXoYZnhRYRtN5QVHP59VjfL1vS2Z(a)internal-mail.systemics.com [193.67.124.74]) by smokey.systemics.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA10263 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:26:00 +0200 Received: (from gary@localhost) by internal-mail.systemics.com id UAA16049 for cypherpunks(a)toad.com; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:26:40 +0200 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:26:40 +0200 From: Gary Howland <gary(a)systemics.com> Message-Id: <199609231826.UAA16049(a)internal-mail.systemics.com> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Reply-To: gary(a)systemics.com Subject: Security flaw in Microsft Explorer Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 843538362.000 Status: U Program compromises IE security By Nick Wingfield September 23, 1996, 10:45 a.m. PT A start-up Internet company has posted a program on the Net that could allow Web sites to bypass the security controls in Internet Explorer, CNET has learned. The company, InfoSpace, created a program aimed at Net search engines such as Lycos and Excite that want to become the default search engine in Microsoft's Internet Explorer 3.0. But the program, which is actually featured on the Lycos Web site, manages to circumvent Explorer's security warning window--an action that could let InfoSpace sneak programs onto a user's personal computer without warning. Although the InfoSpace program apparently was not created with malicious intent, it underscores the fragility of Internet Explorer's security defenses, as well as broader security issues related to downloading software over the Internet. The InfoSpace program sidesteps a security feature in Internet Explorer, called Authenticode, which is designed to allow users to verify the origins of a piece of software code, such as an ActiveX control, a script, or a plug-in. The Authenticode system requires a user to entrust the developer of a program, whether it's InfoSpace, Lotus Development, or IBM, not to install viruses or other destructive programs on the user's system. Although Authenticode does not prevent software developers from creating such programs, they can be held legally accountable for bad code. That's because the programs contain "digital signatures," a sort of ID card that allows perpetrators to be tracked down by law enforcement agencies. Microsoft works with VeriSign to provide digital signatures for programs. Last month, VeriSign took matters into its own hands by asking a developer, Fred McLain, to remove an ActiveX control called Exploder from his Web site. The Exploder control was designed to crash a user's computer after downloading. "Code signing is not a guarantee of code quality," Charles Fitzgerald, a product manager at Microsoft said. "It's an accountability trail." As with all digitally signed programs, users are offered the option to accept or to reject the InfoSpace program before installing it on their systems. Users are also offered the option to bypass the Authenticode warning window for all InfoSpace programs in the future. But the company's program registers InfoSpace as a "trusted publisher" in Explorer, effectively opening the browser to intrusions. The operation is akin to inviting a guest over to your house for dinner and having them copy the key to your front door without permission. InfoSpace executives denied that there was any malice intended in its program, adding that it has provided Lycos with an updated version of the code. Lycos plans to post the new program later this evening, according to InfoSpace. "It was a bug that got incorporated into the production code," InfoSpace CEO Naveen Jain said. Lycos CEO Bob Davis said he was not aware of the bug in the InfoSpace program and could not comment on it. The program is identified as Lycos Quick Search on the search engine's site. However, Microsoft officials expressed concern, saying it is hard to defend against once a user has consented to download code from the Net. "Clearly their software is doing something a tad aggressive," said Rob Price, a group program manager for Internet security at Microsoft."[With Authenticode], users are making a one-time trust decision, this is a persistent trust decision." Microsoft argued that Explorer provides better security than Netscape Communications' Navigator, which does not currently allow digital signatures on plug-ins. In Explorer, users are warned before downloading code even if the program does not contain a digital signature, though the source of the program is not identified. In contrast to plug-in software and ActiveX controls, Java applets are prevented from damaging a user's computer through built-in restrictions in the Java Virtual Machine. "Java is the model for dynamic executable content on the Net," said Eric Greenberg, group security manager at Netscape.

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by Wyntermute＠postoffice.worldnet.att.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: crypto anarchy vs AP
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:26 AM 9/23/96 -0700, Clint Barnett wrote: >ever read "1984"? the appearance of a free lifestyle is most definitely >not a free lifestyle. I am hardly a friend of the state, and far from >being an advocate of the church, but multinational corporations running >the world for their own fun and profit makes my sphincter clench. The lifestyle in "1984" didn't appear free. Someone who thinks that an institution like the government that gains all its revenue by force and is armed with nukes is less dangerous than institutions that are shrinking in size and gain most of their revenue by voluntary exchange is nuts. DCF

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The daily word of advice regarding Tim Mayo
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What a joy to make a public mockery of Tim Mayo!

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