December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: talker
by saione＠primenet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CC`d to cypherpunks mailing list: I recieved this this afternoon (11/9/96), this has gone far enough, would anyone here care to join me in mailbombing this guy? just reply this mail to him at doom13(a)juno.com about 100 times or so, if we get about 100 people to do this it should generate enough traffic to close his account down. my reply to his mail is at the bottom: > Listen up you son of a bitch! Don't fucker call me a peice of horse shit > you cocksucker or I'll mailbomb your ass so many times you won't even > think of replying. You don't know shit about my hacking mother fucker. > Fuck you and go suck on some media crypto pussy shit. Listen you spotty socially unskilled adolescent masturbator: Your petty and pathetic claims amuse me, I laugh at your worthless and dirty existance peon. What have you ever hacked, have you broken any encryption codes, have you found security weaknesses by new and ingenious methods, have you practised within the hacker ethic? I think not You are a *WANNABEE*, a punk who knows not the slightest thing about systems security, can`t code, and couldn`t hack his way out of a wet paper bag, your mailbombing threats are about as technical as you can get. in addition your flames show no linguistic creativity, just a bunch of crude words thrown together, get an education you trailer butt-fucker. Mailbomb me, go ahead punk, make my day, if you dare to even think about doing so I will kick your ass, I will hurt you in ways you cannot imagine, I have carried out vindictive personal vendettas before and will do so again if necessary. Go on, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker. Yours with the greatest respect: Paul Bradley MbM Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az4= =riHc -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: (Fnord) Edupage, 10 September 1996
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm preaching to the choir, but I can't resist. >From Edupage, 10 September 1996: >A leading Clinton Administration official ... Michael Nelson, who adds >that organized crime members are already some of the most sophisticated >users of computer systems and strong encryption technology. In addition, >computer crackers will pose a more significant threat. The bad guys already have strong encryption. So why doesn't the Clinton administration immediately press for the widespread deployment of strong encryption to help defend us against the bad guys? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "Lone Star" - My personal | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | choice for best movie of | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | 1996 | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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na673130@anon.penet.fi gone [Anonymous service rejected your mail.] (fwd)
by Andy Dustman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Looks like Spambo either deleted his id or Julf pulled the plug on him. Andy Dustman / Computational Center for Molecular Structure and Design / UGA ===== For PGP public key: finger andy(a)neptune.chem.uga.edu | pgp -fka ===== Sure, the Telecomm Act will create jobs: 100,000 new thought-cops on the net http://charon.chem.uga.edu/~andy mailto:andy@CCMSD.chem.uga.edu <}+++< - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 04:36:13 +0300 From: daemon(a)anon.penet.fi To: andy(a)ccmsd.chem.uga.edu Subject: Anonymous service rejected your mail. You, andy(a)ccmsd.chem.uga.edu, have requested mail forwarding to na673130. This was rejected, as the user is unknown. Either the id has never been allocated, or the id has been removed at the request of the user. Contents of message follows: [deleted] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMjdsIy0jMb7JduJJAQHl1AQAoLN85rIEqLBSKm/0dVjj7eD/aDh6lpKX B75xki8v20+LFku9ddXy1rb8KEKqnMVy/WSGlB18gNvqFJTbw4obzB4/M+df3JPy 893mVkaJd24d+OZWYwTx1Nc19VIho9WXSC/8ohJhVN+R44R4+yWjHzupCAMxGfiY wWzgMqQXlwI= =7KZS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Hacking Mobil Telephone System ?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:13 PM 9/11/96 -6, Peter Trei wrote: > >The differences between US and European nomenclature can be subtle, yet >important. Quick - which is likely to have had warmer weather: 1/8/96, or >8/1/96? Sorry to add more complication, but "northern or southern latitude?" Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Nonsense, absolute nonsense... [Fwd: HipCrime and Spam]
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sirs: I must agree that having a website invites unsolicited e-mail, if only to comment that people have seen the site. I send unsolicited e-mail to website owners as part of my marketing plan. On Or About: 11 Sep 96 at 21:34, Andy Dustman wrote: > You're sending out messages, inviting people to visit your web site, but > you're using anonymous remailers because... you don't want people to know > who you are? Then why invite them to your site (or even have a site)? That's what makes it smell fishy. When I send unsolicited e-mail I give up the whole deal: phone number and all. If someone complains, I make great effort to never contact that person again. Either you want people to know who you are or you don't. > Which is precisely what you're doing: Sending someone e-mail > costs them time and it often costs them money. As I said having a website invites comments. It's like being a public figure. In effect you are publishing your e-mail address. > 4) It's giving us a bad > rap, man, and that's the *last* thing the remailer net needs now. > The remailers of the world don't exist > to provide non-anonymous anonymous advertising, which you could do just as > well on your own sending forged e-mail headers from netcom. Just like all the seedy low life multi-level-marketing jerks! No need to use a remailer for that. Just 2 cents worth. Ross =========== Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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[Fwd: Nonsense, absolute nonsense... [Fwd: HipCrime and Spam]]
by HipCrime 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Hellen Keller To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Nonsense, absolute nonsense... [Fwd: HipCrime and Spam] From: Admin <admin(a)superhot.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:20:35 -0600 Cc: remailer-operators(a)c2.org Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >This is an absurd and inaccurate analogy. The mailBot simply pushes >*mailto:* tags that people have willingly placed on their public websites. >They invite the mail so a more accurate analogy would be that City Hall puts >up a public suggestion box and invites comments. The bot then puts one, and >only one, unsigned anonymous suggestion into the box. It then goes on to the >Art Gallery where they too have put up a public suggestion box, and the bot >places one, and only one, anonymous suggestion in that box also...and it >moves on to the next publicly accessable suggestion box that it finds, each >time putting in one, and only one, message. > >Can the College-aged mind these days not develop a rational, concise, >accurate and logical analogy that stays on point? > >Think about it... or take down the public suggestion boxes if one doesn't >like what one finds inside. If you invite feedback...it will come. > >admin > > >There is >> >>HipCrime <na673130(a)anon.penet.fi> wrote: >>> Be honest, all you really care about is something which >>> "threatens the existence" your little baby. >> >>I think you were referring to yourself, Robert. :) >> >> >>Since you don't seem to understand the concept of spam very well yet, >>try this little experiment: >> >>Go downtown to City Hall and post advertisements for your website on >>all the walls and doors. Be sure to put one on the Mayor's office and >>all the members of the City Council. If they complain, explain to them >>why they are weak-minded souls who can't remove unwanted messages. >> >>Go to the local art gallery and post your signs all over. Tell people >>that since your web site is an "art project", that you are posting EXACTLY >>on topic, to an "appropriate group". Ask, "So, what's your problem ?!?" >> >>Pass out survey forms. Ask people where they want to see advertisements. >>Go to these sites and spray-paint your http address. If people complain >>that you are "harassing" them, ask them why a whopping eighteen letters >>written on the wall is harassment. Tell them it's not *your* fault, >>that you're just doing what other people told you to. Explain how many >>trees you are saving by using spray-paint instead of paper. >> >>When the police handcuff you and take you away, complain that they are >>censoring you. Tell the judge that you want to sue the cops for violating >>your civil rights. While you're in jail, think about why what you did >>was wrong. <>________________Lowest_Priced_Long_Distance__________________<> ||Long Distance 9.9¢/min |Helping hardworking people || ||9.9¢ Anytime, Anywhere in US! |like yourself pay the || ||Free sign-up, 6 second billing |lowest possible price for || ||http://www.superhot.com/phone |high quality LD service. || <>-----------------------1_303_692_5190------------------------<>

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Re: Hacking Mobil Telephone System ?
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:56:10 -0400 (EDT), Mark O. Aldrich wrote: >After having traveled in Europe, I was certainly familiar with the >difference in the notation. You also think, however, that I would have >paid more attention to what the hell I was reading before I shot off my >mouth (via my keyboard), but I didn't. I think this is called a "brain >fart" (note to our European brothers and sisters - over there, I think you >call it a "mental fugue" or "Parliamentary election," I'm nor sure which). I've always wondered if the makers of mailer software couldn't include a delay option, so that, say, a message might be held for 10 minutes and then sent. Imagine how many of the "Sorry about x; I meant y" posts we'd never see. # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 "I have never been able to figure out why anyone would want to play games on a computer in any case when the whole system is a game. Word processing, spreadsheets, telecoms -- it's all a game. And they pay you to play it." -- Duncan Frissell

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Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting Saturday 9/14, 12-6PDT, Stanford
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The monthly Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting will be held Saturday, September 14th, at the picnic tables outside Tressider Hall at Stanford University. Lunch and general hanging out begin at 12:00, Program begins at 1:00. The coffee shop at Tressider will be open, though the main cafeteria won't be. Some items on the agenda include John Gilmore's SWAN project, Encrypting 5% of the net by Christmas Highlights of Crypto '96 meeting in Santa Barbara Bagels and bagel paraphrenalia The remailer crisis - anon.penet.fi, creative new spammer attacks Censorship Firewalls for SG, CN, DE, etc. - designing workarounds The Bernstein Lawsuit - court date is Friday Sept. 20 Bring show&tell items. You can find a map of the Stanford campus on the web at http://www.stanford.edu/home/visitors/campus-map.html To confuse Stanford alumni, the map has been realigned with the North end up, so visitors can use it. From Campus Drive East, turn North on Mayfield Ave, turn right on Lagunita Dr, and park in the lot. Walk north to Tressider, and the tables are on the west=left side. Look for the crowd of drug smugglers, money launderers, and Suspicious Persons. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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10 minute delay considered inconsequential
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:15 AM 9/12/96, Adamsc wrote: >I've always wondered if the makers of mailer software couldn't include a delay >option, so that, say, a message might be held for 10 minutes and then sent. >Imagine how many of the "Sorry about x; I meant y" posts we'd never see. I expect there would be little effect. I suspect most of us write articles, send them out, and only notice the mistakes, typos, whatever when they are pointed out. (Very few people reread their posts prior to seeing them on the list an hour or two later, is my strong hunch. A delay of 10 minutes would not inspire many to read and reread their posts...most likely they'd just move on to other articles, other posts, and the 10 minute delay would be utterly inconsequential.) --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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RE: robert and hipcirme web sight
by !.!..............................# 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>It's obvious that this guy's true passion is fractals and raytracing. >He threw in some bomb-making stuff, but he scanned it out of a book and >probably never tried it. Compared to the rest of the site, it looks like >an afterthought. Someone who was really interested in chemistry would >have taken the time to retype the info and add their own comments. He >had a reason to have some "anarchist" info on there but he's not really >interested in it. So basically this guy is a mathematician/artist trying >to pretend he's an anarchist. If his true passion is fractals and raytracing, then why would he expend energy things other than fractals and raytracing. He may be an anarchict but wish to invest his time in fractals and raytracing rather than in explaining anarchy. >Same goes for the remailers. He claims he likes remailers and anonymity, >but he's lying. Anyone who really liked remailers/anonymity/privacy would >have pages and pages about how to use remailers, and why privacy is a good >thing. He has a reason he needs to be anonymous, but it's not because >he supports privacy. He publishes a PGP key, because he wants to pretend >he's an anarchist, and Louis Freeh told him that all evil terrorist >organizations use PGP. But he doesn't like PGP, he doesn't advocate PGP, >and he doesn't tell you where to get PGP. If his true passion were re-mailers and anonymity then he would spend pages and pages writing about them rather than just admitting to supporting them. .00010000.

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