December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Web Resource on Netspam
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/html.Spam Title: Spam (Not the Hormel product) <a href="http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/html.Spam" >[Fighting Spam] : [Graffiti] : [Home] : [Limericks] : [Linkage] An honest politician is one who takes your bribe AND votes as you ask. Spam (Not the Hormel product) Anyone familiar with the usenet has seen it. It's the vile stuff that brain-dead get-rick-quick scheme promoters and professionsal advertisers foist upon us all with increasing regularity. There are (to date) two species of spam, differentiated by the mechanism by which they are delivered. Each has its own defining charateristics, each has its own sub-species, but both have two things in common: they're made possible by the workings of the internet, and they're both examples of the same type of 'cost-shifting' that made junk faxes illegal. Contrary to postal junk mail, where the sender bears the full cost of delivery, the spammer bears only a fraction of the cost of delivery; the remainder of the costs are borne by us, the recipients. It's a waste of your bandwidth, your disk space, and your time. email spam Messages delivered by electronic mail to large numbers of recipients who did not ask for or otherwise solicit the messages. It's the junk mail of the 21st century, only worse. usenet spam Messages delivered by usenet to large numbers of newsgroups whose chartered topics are unrelated to (and may even explicitly forbid) the topic of the message. Not enough people seem to realize that there are constructive ways to deal with it, and to reduce the chance that you'll have to deal with it again in the future. What to do What NOT to do The most effective is to write some polite email to the administrator of the site from which the spam originated. You'll soon learn that most system administrators are very unhappy about users who spam the net. It's always gratifying when they write back to tell you that the offending account has been terminated. Start reading <a href="usenet://news.admin.net-abuse.misc">news.admin.net-abuse.misc to learn more about how to deal with spammers. If there's a 1-800 number, call it to express your displeasure. It might please you to note that 1-800 numbers typically cost them a small amount of money with each call. How much do you pay for your disk space and bandwidth with each unsolicited bit of email? It's only fair, right? Grab your telephone, or even pay them a visit in person. You generally have to have access to a unix command line to find the phone numbers and addresses, unless you're dealing with the same <a href="http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/spam/html.Offenders">spammers that have been bothering me. Why stick to email? If they're in your area, tell them face-to-face that you object to their tactics. Don't post a follow-up message in the same newsgroup. Do you really think that the spammer is going to re-visit thousands of newsgroups to see what people had to say? The same goes for mailing lists. If you get spammed via a mailing list, never reply to the list. Your words will just get re-broadcast to everyone else on the list, thus doubling the nuisance created by the spammer. Fun stuff that doesn't get results, but might be good for a laugh RecyclingIf they enjoy sending spam, then it only makes sense that they wouldn't mind getting their own, right? Just for kicks, forward each new spam to the spammers who have pestered you in the past. While I can't vouch for its effectiveness, it does reek of poetic justice, and it makes me feel a little better. It usually makes people laugh out loud when I explain it, too. <img src = "http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/images/SMILE.GIF"> A Pre-emptive Anti-Spam TacticWhy wait to get spammed, when you can see them coming in <a href="news:news.admin.net-abuse.misc">news.admin.net-abuse.misc? <a href="http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/spam/html.p.Pre-empt">Let the spammers know in advance that they will be charged (insert dollar amount here) if they send you any junk mail. Additional references Spam and Anonymous Remailing Services Damien Lucifer (<a href="mailto:ncognito@gate.net">ncognito(a)gate.net) operates an anonymous remailing service. He's put together a page covering spam and remailers, including how to get a remailer to stop spamming you, and it is my pleasure to host this page for him. mail bombing For advanced spam-fighters only. Can concerted emailbombing be employed as a legitimate spam-fighting tactic? Pros, cons, and related issues. About Junk Email Some of the hows and whys of junk email, and tactics you can use to help rid yourself of it. A press release from MCI ...with information about their anti-spam policies. See also their <a href="http://www.mci.com/aboutmci/news/nfr/spam.shtml">online policy statement. Note that MCI's seriousness about these statements has been severely questioned in light of their (mis)handling of the Moneyworld/CHAG spammer. 30 days between announcing that the situation is being dealt with and finally cutting off a spammer with message-per-week spamming speed? This is pretty disgusting in light of the good press MCI got when they announced their spam policies. It's starting to look more like a PR stunt than a policy statement. I can only take comfort knowing that at least their sysadmins are aware of (and frustrated with) the situation. I must disclaim that civil legal issues may be involved in the MCI/Moneyworld dispute, so there may be things going on that the public isn't aware of. Still, for MCI not to have covered its corporate ass does not speak well of MCI's sincerity or the competence of MCI's lawyers. Outlaw Junk EMail Now! Write your legislators, ask them to expand the TCPA to include junk email! Note that as the law is currently written, it is unlikely to be applicable to email. Fighting Junk Email" More information about junk email and related issues. Includes pointers to mechanical tactics for dealing with junk email. Spam FAQ Everything you never wanted to know about net spamming. Get that spammer!Webified TCP/IP tools to aid in the fight against spam. <a href="http://techweb.cmp.com/net/issues/036issue/036law.htm">Litigation to the rescue? Use of the Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991 (47 U.S.C. sec 227) to nail junk emails. The case described was settled out of court, but the ideas is intriguing. This commentary, written by a lawyer, does not seem optistic about applying the TCPA directly to junk email, but doesn't rule out the possibility, either. Litigation to the rescue! $500 fines for junk mail via the courts. Sounds like promising tactic for dealing with intra-USA spammings. <a href="http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/spam/html.FaxLaw">Some commentary on this law was posted to usenet a while back. <a href="http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm">The U.S. Postal Service on Chain Letters Contrary to what the make.money.fast crowd would have you believe, these scams are illegal. See the aforelinked page for details, and and consider talking to the appropriate <a href="http://www.usps.gov/ncsc/locators/find-is.html">postal inspector as well. <a href="http://www.bbb.org/council/complaints/consumerform.html">The Better Business Bureau These folks will be happy to be notified of 'improper selling practices' via the aforelinked form. Anti-Spam lists This is a relatively new phenomenon. People are starting to offer the 'service' of collecting lists of addresses of folks who do not want to get spam. I think this is a bad idea, since it attempts to legitimize junk email, by implying that if an email address is not on the list, it's prefectly OK to send junk email. The other problem with this idea is that there are going to be several of them, and no junkmailer is going to filter their list using each "service." Thus, it will be up to the recipients to track down all of the "services." Currently there are at least three running. One is at http://dm1.com/Epreference/epref.html, one is at http://www.kenjen.com/nospam, and I don't have an URL for the last - it was sent to me via unsolicited email, naturally. Terms of Service and Acceptable usage policies Most Internet service providers require that their customers agree to a set of terms of service (TOS) or an acceptable usage policy (AUP). A random sampling: <a href="http://www.mindspring.com/aboutms/policy.html">Mindspring's policy, Primenet's AUP, MCI's spamming policy, and the terms and conditions for my own ISP, <a href="http://webfaq.halcyon.com/faq/nwn/nwntac.txt">Northwest Nexus (a.k.a. halcyon.com) I should note that while Northwest Nexus doesn't describe spamming in their terms of service, they have booted more than one spammer in the past. It surprises me greatly that they aren't explicit about this in their published terms and conditions. A spamhandling robot This is very "under construction," but worth mentioning anyhow. I'm putting together some perl code to automate the spam-handling process. Common flavors of net.spam The MAKE.MONEY.FAST scheme A direct descendant of the chain letters of old, this is the pyramid scam of the information age... A quick look at the mathematics behind the idea will expose the scam. Phone-sex cretins They post a couple of lines of text-mode heavy breathing, and usually a 1-800 number that you're invited to call. Call the 1-800 number. Really. It costs them money every time you do! They make their money via the 1-900 number that they ask you to call next. So just call the 1-800 number again. And again. And again. <a href="http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/html.Spam" >[Fighting Spam] : [Graffiti] : [Home] : [Limericks] : [Linkage] Don't just browse here, say something! Speak your mind in this space here: <input type=submit value="Press here to have your words added to the page."> The true beauty of Usenet is the way it allows free communication. You can be rich/poor/ugly/ religious/atheist or a member of any race/religion or be young/old... That's the wonder - everyone can talk to one another and share ideas. Then spam comes along. It fills up newsgroups with so much noise that no one reads it any more. That wondrous method of communication has been lost. That's why I hate spam. You just don't get it, do you? No, deleting one piece of email doesn't take much. Then again, neither does appealing to a system administrator to have the spammer shut down. Two or three bits of junk a day really is something I can live with, but I don't want to. So why should I? Two or three bits of trash by the roadside won't mean the end of the world. Tossing empty cans out the window costs less than having your trash hauled away - what a great opportunity to save money! If litter were acceptable, a public beach would be no place to spend an afternoon. Postal mail costs the sender with each mailing. This keeps junk postal mail to tolerable levels. EMail costs the sender maybe $20/month, period. Are you so fucking stupid that you don't realize what a cesspool the net would be if this were allowed to grow unchecked? -NW People complain about spam and mass E-mailers. But my question is: what's the big deal? Does it REALLY take THAT much PRECIOUS time out of your day to click and delete a piece of E-mail? I think that the people complaining about others taking advantage of an excellent business opportunity ought to just relax a bit. And just HOW does it COST you to deal with SPAM? With ISP's dropping access prices and providing unlimited access to the internet, how could it possibly COST someone to get an E-mail message? I think you people really need to just kick back and relax already. Geeze, if it wasn't SPAM what else would you find to complain about? Spam isn't about content, spam is about quantity and cost shifting. TV spam would be the same ad on every channel at the same time. Print spam would be junk mail sent postage due or charge-on-delivery. With the ads on TV and in newspapers, the advertisers pay the expenses associated with publishing their ads. With net spam, the recipients pay the expenses associated with carrying the ads. That is the key difference. The costs of ads in traditional media help to support the very media that deliver the ads. With net.spam, there are no costs, and the ads just serve to sap the medium. All you need is a free trial account (AOL, interramp, or earthlink, etc are famous for this), and you can broadcast a huge amount of spam before anyone notices. Or, you can pay for an account with MCI, and broadcast huge amounts of spam for 30 days after the sysadmins realize what's going on. -NW Net-based spam is not the only form of spam. There is spam in print and spam in TV advertising. Wouldn't you say every Calvin Klein ad on TV, magazines or billboards is spam? How about Budweiser, Lite beer, and McDonalds commercials. If you see any type of advertising that offends your senses, you should feel free to boycott the products, ask your friends to boycott the products, etc. If the company has an 800 number or web site, let them know that you find their advertising offensive. I am really, really, REALLY tired of being solicited to buy things whenever I log on to my computer. I mean, I pay for the phone line, the software, the hardware, the accounts and my time is worth money as well. I get a LOT of e-mail and a SIZEABLE portion of it is junk e-mail. When I read news, about 10% of it is junk e-mail; more if it is a small newsgroup. I want to know what uninformed idiot is selling my address, or where these people are GETTING it. I have never bought anything over the computer. I have bounced unsolicited junk back to the people who send it. (I love how righteously indignant these people are: they send you mail and expect you to buy something from them and when you fail to perform as expected with joy and gratitude...if you should, in fact, protest them wasting your time and resources...they get downright rude and abusive. The presumptuousness of it just really annoys me.) The capper is that I did some artwork for the anti-Canter- and-Siegel "Green Card Lawyers" tees Joel Furr was offering a while ago. The ultimate clue that I am not interested in spam of any sort, but how could they know? It's just amusing. Let it be known that I am not a test market, nor will I buy any of your crap, be it face cream, thigh cream, green cards, stock options, modems, books, herbs, or the golden goose itself. Not interested. I don't know you, I have no reason to trust you, and you are spamming MY mailbox and expecting ME to reward this with money. No, thank you. I've been online for more than 5 years, and I really long for the "good old days" before the Net was "cool". There ya go. My tuppence. Now...where do I go to put my name on the "Don't Send This Person Crap Mail" list? (Laugh) SPAM is only going to go away if we make sure companies learn that SPAMming doesn't get costumers to buy thier products and it does more to stop potential costumers from buying thier products. I've heard a couple of different conflicting stories about the origins of the use of the word spam in this context. The most popular version suggests that is was inspired by the Monty Python skit in which virtually every item on some restaurant's menu includes spam in some form or other. The waiter's recitation of the menu becomes unintelligible except for '...and spam, spam with..., spam salad, ...with spam, spam mixed with..." and so on. It really picks up when the Vikings start chanting "spam-spam spam, spam, spam-spam spam, spam...." ad nauseum. This is what the net would be like if this stuff was allowed to continue unchecked. If that's not a horrifying thought, maybe you should see the skit in question. My personal belief is that geeks (who make up much of the 'net community (myself included), much of Monty Python's audience, and probably most of Monty Python's cast) just tend to use the word spam when more appropriate words don't come to mind readily. For no particularly good reason, it really stuck this time. -NW Due to popular demand, I've expanded the first couple of paragraphs to better explain what spam is and why it's such a pain in the ass. Personally, I'm getting two to five unsolicited email messages every week. This is up from approximately zero unsolicited messages per week a few years ago when I first started using the Internet and Usenet. It's a trend that has been steadily increa sing, especially for the last year or two. It's a trend that really really worries me. It's a trend that is, worst of all, wasting my time! -NW I an working on a Usenet news server designed to filter spam from a news feed and quietly drop it. Announcements in due course (next few months) but if anyone wants to help with other platforms and live feed debugging please mail me. Wow! Thanks for the help. I'll certainly become an anti-spam activist and use your information to good effect. I don't get it! What is SPAM? Pardon my ignorance but what does "SPAM"ming mean? "SICK PEOPLE AGAINST MAIL"??? For the Spammers that have a web page I visit it with a macro every time that I leave my system idle while connected for more then 5 min. This way at least I'm sucking down their site and causing their site to slow down so those that are interest get bored waiting for an over taxed server to show them just what They get for "ONLY $9.99 A MONTH!!!!" and leave with out buying. The only reason they have the site is to make money. No Money, No Site, No Spam. Very nice -- I like the idea of dialing the 800 number in the ad. One might wish to be sure to mention (if there's a message taker or, even better, a human at the other end) that you saw their ad in (insert newsgroup here) -- and no, you're not interested in buying anything, you just wanted to see what they had. Unfortunately, every time you call the 800 number, chances are you're also adding your own phone number to a database that will result in your receiving "junk phone calls" on a variety of useless subjects. Solution? Make the calls from a pay phone, ideally one that doesn't accept incoming calls. Isn't spam remarkably like the countless hours of television (including but not limited to advertisements) that most of us watched in our childhoods? And to think, whoever controls the information going to the youth of the nation controls the future of the nation. Greedy, stupid corporations played a central role in molding us and shaping our opinions, attitudes, and perspectives. Something to think about, perhaps... <a href="http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/html.Spam" >[Fighting Spam] : [Graffiti] : [Home] : [Limericks] : [Linkage] n a t e s c a p e </a >@<a href="http://www.metareality.com/"> m e t a r e a l i t y . c o m This page last updated Aug 21 Comments last updated Aug 22

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Your Majordomo request results
by Majordomo＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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ADMIN: The list was off for a day
by Hugh Daniel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The cypherpunks(a)toad.com list was turned off for just over a day to keep a set of bogus messages off of the list. Many thanks go to John Gilmore for fixing the problem. The next message will be a (almost) digest of the 17 messages that were not passed on in real time to the list. Think of it as a vacation. ||ugh Daniel Majordomo Owner & Potty Trainer hugh(a)toad.com

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Re: [US POLITICS] Cypherpunk voting - ITAR or CDA
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:37 AM 8/25/96 -0400, Vincent Cate <vince(a)offshore.com.ai> wrote: >Dole says he would fix the ITAR problem, but try to keep something like >CDA. >Clinton is keeping ITAR and signed CDA. But not having the religious >right he might soften on CDA. Clinton is, of course, not a liberal. Censorship doesn't bother him much. (He's a friendly statist who likes to control your money more than your life, so he might occasionally feel a twinge of guilt, but not enough to change policies, and only if the polls are suggesting that guilt would be a useful PR move.) Dole, on the other hand, stands for being in his party longer than anyone else, doing a competent job of insider coordination, and keeping Big Agribusiness happy. His speechwriters are mildly opposed to free trade, but like US exports. Crypto software is not a product of Archer Daniels Midland, Supermarket to the World, but if the polls suggest that it's as popular as corn oil, he'll have his speechwriters write a speech in favor of it. Ross Perot's gonna get together a team of experts to decide on it, though if we allow those Canadians to get American Encryption Technology before we throw out NAFTA, there's gonna be a giant sucking sound as all our cryptography business gets hoovered up to the Frozen North. Ralph Nader knows that Clipper is unsafe at any speed, and would certainly allow open public inquiry into the military-industrial complex's encryption policy-making process, though any technological exports would require an environmental impact statement, 2% of sales would be required to be on solar-powered low-emission computing equipment, and foreign cryptographic developers would have to be paid a living wage. Dr. John Hagelin (no, not _that_ Hagelin) knows that mathematics operates in harmony with Natural Law, and his party will introduce scientifically proven techniques for reducing the entropy level of messages, and eliminating the stress and paranoia that lead people to hide the content of their messages. Further more, special teams of Sidhi(tm)-trained technicians will provide telepathic transmission for areas with high levels of stress, which has been shown to reduce conflict when only 1% of the telephone callers are accessed using these Scientifically Proven Techniques. Bring an offering of fruit and flowers to the polls. The Socialist Worker's Party statement will be available as soon as the Teamsters election results allow appointment of a bargaining unit for the Bit Twiddlers, Left Shifters, and Table Look-up locals to negotiate protocols with network management, and categorically refuses the counter-revolutionary demands for EXclusive Or which the multi-national corporations intend to impose on the work force. ..... As you might have guessed, I'm still planning to vote Libertarian :-) Free minds, free markets, free speech, and I guess Harry Browne will do as good a job as any candidate we've had in a while. Vice-presidential candidate Jo Jorgenson has run her own software business for a while. ...... However, if you're tired of the Lesser of N evils, Cthulu's export policy is that you can't escape anyway, and your puny mortal lives will be absorbed along with his morning coffee. Your encryption technology is futile against the Elder Ghods, and the arcane formulas in the Cyphernomicon of that mad physicist Tim The Enchanter may summon spirits from the vasty deep, but no secrets are safe from Nyarla-S-Ahothep who knows all and sees all. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> Reassign Authority!

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DIGEST: 17 messages from the last day
by Hugh Daniel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 00:43:46 1996 Received: from tera.mcom.com (tera.netscape.com [205.217.237.94]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA17288 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by tera.mcom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA04984; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:46:00 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Path: usenet From: Tom Weinstein <tomw(a)netscape.com> Newsgroups: mcom.list.cypherpunks Subject: Re: Weird "Suppression" messages Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:43:53 -0700 Organization: Netscape Communications, Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <32200439.41C6(a)netscape.com> References: <3.0b11.32.19960823232429.00d969ec(a)mail.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ammodump.mcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; U; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Alan Olsen wrote: > > At 10:36 PM 8/23/96 -0700, Z.B. wrote: >>On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Alan Olsen wrote: >> >>> At 10:54 PM 8/20/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: >>> > ----- Message body suppressed ----- >>> > >>> >--SAA08114.840765294/tera.mcom.com-- >>> >>> This is bizzare. I have gotten three messages with this message. >>> >>> Is someone at Netscape canceling messages? (mcom.com is the old >>> domain name >>> of Netscape.) >>> >>> Anyone have any ideas on this? >> >> I don't have a clue what it is, but it's sure pissing me off. I've >> gotten about 15 or so of these messages in the past two hours. If >> it's an honest error, then someone better fix it real fast; if some >> loser is jerking us around, ...... > > Some list redirector of somesort has gone wonky at Netscape. (Take a > look at the headers if you do not believe me. They are originating > off of some internal lists at mcom.com, the original Netscape domain.) > > Cypherpunks is not the only list effected by this. I am getting these > weird messages on wwwsecurity as well. > > Since it is Friday, I expect that this will be with us until someone > gets in the office on Monday. We have a gateway here that gateways mailing lists into newsgroups and sends posts back out to the mailing lists. There was a problem with it which caused these strange suppression messages. I got the person responsible to come in and fix it, so there should be no more messages like that, I hope. -- You should only break rules of style if you can | Tom Weinstein coherently explain what you gain by so doing. | tomw(a)netscape.com >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 02:04:41 1996 Received: from irc.io-online.com ([206.245.244.5]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA18654 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 02:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from IO-ONLINE.COM ([206.245.244.154]) by irc.io-online.com (post.office MTA v1.9.3b ID# 285-17715) with SMTP id AAA47; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 02:05:45 -0700 From: Adamsc(a)io-online.com (Adamsc) To: "cypherpunks(a)toad.com" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>, "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 96 02:05:22 -0800 Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Chris Adams's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Spamming (Good or Bad?) Message-ID: <19960825090543625.AAA47(a)IO-ONLINE.COM> On Sat, 24 Aug 96 03:47:47 -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote: >No I have to dissagree. Who I send mail to or whom I receive mail from is >no-ones business. I for one have no intention of "signing up" or >"regestering" with any mail server. I most certainally want to be the one >to decide what mail I receive or do not receive, not someone elses idea of >what I should receive. What I'd prefer is a configurable POP server for an ISP - something that you could set to, say, only send a brief header and 1st couple lines of any message that is either over a certain size, repeated, or passed the limit for messages from a given host. So you could set certain people to have their messages pass directly through, something like cypherpunks might get more and all others could be limited to something like 10/day. Have all of this configured right, as well has host-end filtering/rejecting and such tasks would be done with the high bandwidth a host has, as opposed to your average dialup link. >Sorry but I will not be made a sheep for the "protection" from spam. baah >baah Baah humbug! (And I agree fully!) / If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. / Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp / Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" / Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 / Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 03:21:23 1996 Received: from pop1.jmb.bah.com (pop1.jmb.bah.com [156.80.9.161]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA19560; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 03:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crypto-1.bah.com ([156.80.2.177]) by pop1.jmb.bah.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA26790; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 06:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crypto-1.bah.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB924D.9E549120(a)crypto-1.bah.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 06:21:14 -0000 Message-ID: <01BB924D.9E549120(a)crypto-1.bah.com> From: Charley Sparks <sparks(a)bah.com> To: "'cypherpunks(a)toad.com'" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Cc: "'cypherpunk(a)toad.com'" <cypherpunk(a)toad.com> Subject: Need the majordomo commands for cypherpunk Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 06:21:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- the heading says it all.... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.9 iQCXAgUBMiA3KOJ+JZd/Y4yVAQHaJQQMC4i3iPpinbyMfQ8x6wOrQEFYFg7kt1Qf trmMt4nwNSwy3ZV2EAS/ohm9BMz9PWfiAvetcpyPf2QZxQS9ZBqF69TqmpRkX7Xe ke6Cz4GqYy51MM29WuE1nvPRSELHvrsubq9A1U2+QeArOC6sw6mVZFMFClP+I2NI q9NH9sjEljgXTw== =nFIP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 05:28:39 1996 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net (root(a)dns1.noc.best.net [206.86.8.69]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA22362 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 05:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jamesd.vip.best.com (jamesd.vip.best.com [204.156.153.125]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id FAA21914; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 05:29:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199608251229.FAA21914(a)dns1.noc.best.net> X-Sender: jamesd(a)best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 17:06:32 -0700 To: Vincent Cate <vince(a)offshore.com.ai>, cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> Subject: Re: Cypherpunk voting - ITAR or CDA At 01:37 AM 8/25/96 -0400, Vincent Cate wrote: > So it seems Dole is the better vote. Is this important enough to many > cypherpunks to actually determine their vote? Dole stands for nothing, and Clinton stands for everything. Any resemblance between their election platforms and what they will actually do when in office is purely coincidental. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 05:41:56 1996 Received: from tipper.oit.unc.edu (tipper.oit.unc.edu [152.2.22.85]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA22601 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 05:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hilly.oit.unc.edu (cnc019039.concentric.net [206.173.35.39]) by tipper.oit.unc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA22997 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 08:42:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 08:42:43 -0400 () From: Simon Spero <ses(a)tipper.oit.unc.edu> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: -- Message body depressed -- Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.960825084108.-7095A-100000(a)hilly.oit.unc.edu> X-X-Sender: ses(a)tipper.oit.unc.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Life. Don't talk to me about Life. The first 100 spams were the worst. The second 100 spams were the worst as well. After that I went into a bit of decline. >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 06:06:43 1996 Received: from osceola.gate.net (root(a)osceola.gate.net [199.227.0.18]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA23105 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 06:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miafl2-30.gate.net (miafl2-30.gate.net [199.227.2.157]) by osceola.gate.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA97272 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:07:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:07:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199608251307.JAA97272(a)osceola.gate.net> From: Jim Ray <liberty(a)gate.net> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com X-Priority: Normal Subject: Re: Cypherpunk voting - ITAR or CDA X-Mailer: Pronto Secure [Ver 1.05] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgprequest: signed -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Sun Aug 25 09:06:51 1996 Vincent Cate wrote: > Dole says he would fix the ITAR problem, but try to keep something like > CDA. He would say anything to get elected. > Clinton is keeping ITAR and signed CDA. But not having the religious > right he might soften on CDA. Lame ducks don't have to soften, on anything. That's what's fun about being a lame duck. > The courts seem to be throwing out CDA much faster than ITAR (some fast > track to the supreme court built into the law). It also seems like > ITAR > is the more important thing to fix (it is easier to move pornography > etc > out of the US than major software companies). > > So it seems Dole is the better vote. Is this important enough to many > cypherpunks to actually determine their vote? If the Republican candidate had been Forbes, there might have been a "don't let the great be the enemy of the good" argument against voting Libertarian. As it stands now, Dole is, at best, arguably the "lesser of 2 evils," which still comes out evil in my book. As the designated partisan Libertarian on the list, I urge all cypherpunks to vote their consciences and pick Harry Browne and Jo Jorgensen. The mere fact that the media is [grudgingly] covering us suggests we are finally doing something right, and Harry is winning many Internet polls despite much fawning, hopeful coverage for the big-eared billionaire hypocrite stealth-candidate, who has no position but certainly would enjoy having the TLAs investigate his enemies. I fully accept that it is likely Dole or Clinton will win, but I think it will fill an important cypherpunk goal if the Libertarian Party candidates get a vote large enough to be the margin of victory, and I will be very proud of my vote, no matter who wins this election. Vote your consciences for your own sake, and the sake of the children who will inherit the debt of the irresponsible statists in power now. JMR Regards, Jim Ray -- DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy "'Filegate' is starting to make _Ed_ _Meese_ look ethical." -- me Defeat the Duopoly! Vote "NOTA," not Slick/Dull in November. Harry Browne for President. Jo Jorgensen for Vice-president. http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/ ___________________________________________________________________ PGP id.E9BD6D35 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 <mailto:liberty@gate.net> http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray C Ross Perot is now on welfare.<sigh> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMiBP8m1lp8bpvW01AQFIJAQAlXsJF6cbghTbNe026MYY2UmG6BWPHeUe clf8KSRdT3Fxr/U5juo9FhroDmKSverVkl7ReCQ9Vfxcw0bBdhopJYvkVzB4AOeh 8EMIQnuUGjtPydJvf1pcMUu+C2j7HfhPvI33P3q0v7iG9bb5o6eIzoTMifsc1Kzk n9rakt5JoGg= =c8mZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 08:16:36 1996 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (qut(a)netcom10.netcom.com [192.100.81.120]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA01414 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 08:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from qut@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id IAA04507; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 08:17:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 08:17:22 -0700 From: qut(a)netcom.com (Skipp OBC) Message-Id: <199608251517.IAA04507(a)netcom10.netcom.com> To: Thetapunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Where have all the racists gone? Griswold, LA Times story References: <4vo52r$or2(a)freenet-news.carleton.ca> <rcgraves-2408962338530001(a)nntp.stanford.edu> X-No-Archive: yes In <rcgraves-2408962338530001(a)nntp.stanford.edu> rcgraves(a)ix.netcom.com (Skippy) writes: ! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ! ! In article <4vo52r$or2(a)freenet-news.carleton.ca>, ! ai433(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John Baglow) wrote: ! ! > So, where *is* Les Griswold? Readers are invited to speculate. ! ! I don't need to. ! ! Racists come, racists go. Milton Kleim, George Graves, Ron Schoedel, and ! Les Griswold are all out of the business. The Nazi troller who dedicates ! himself to "The Movement" for life is rare. Human beings have large, ! well-developed brains. This enables us to use tools, read, write, speak, ! and see through the appeal of Nazism. Only the real psychopaths (Metzger), ! charlatans in it for the money (Zundel), and criminals (Burdi, Droege, ! Mathews) stick with "The Movement" once they understand what it's really ! about. ! ! [Yes, I'm aware that things are a bit more serious and complex in real ! life, but I do think it's fine to gloat now, when the "Net.Nazis" are so ! few and disorganized that their #1 troller, qut(a)netcom.com, is believed to ! be an anti-racist parodying them.] The movement must learn to deal with these situations. ! Another bit of good news, and perhaps an inspiration for those few racists ! still reading alt.politics.white-power: ! ! "Ex-Skinhead breaks from a racist past" ! San Jose Mercury News, August 19, 1986, page 3B. ! Reprint of a story from the Los Angeles Times. ! ! LOS ANGELES -- Even among his fellow skinheads, Tom Leyden stood out as an ! angry warrior. ! ! Leyden recalls prowling the streets at night, pummeling "blacks, Hispanics ! and longhairs" with his steel-toed boots. In the Marines, he kept a copy ! of Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" next to his bunk. At home, he hung a Nazi ! flag over the baby's crib. ! ! Leyden, 30, might seem like a dubious candidate to lead a crusade against ! white supremacists. But this tattooed high school dropout has broken with ! his racist past and joined ranks with an unlikely ally -- the Simon ! Wiesenthal Center. ! ! It is a rare and unexpected alliance. ! ! Leyden is the first skinhead to voluntarily lend his expertise to the ! Wiesenthal Center since it opened in Los Angeles 19 years ago. Skeptical ! leaders of the center -- a watchdog organization that fights anti-Semitism ! and other forms of prejudice -- greeted his arrival last month with ! suspicion. They wondered whether he was a spy. ! ! But Leyden offered inside information about neo-Nazi methods: how they ! recruit young members by inciting racial violence on school campuses and ! by distributing music that preaches the death of Jews, blacks and other ! groups. ! ! He also discounted his disillusionment with a movement that labeled his ! own mother inferior because she was handicapped. He spoke out about the ! angst of watching his sons -- ages 4 and 2 -- grow up as hatemongers ! saluting the Nazi and Confederate flags. ! ! And he recounted his decision to leave his wife of six years for a chance ! to redeem himself. ! ! "I got the impression that this was a person who has had a profound change ! of heart and who is willing to tell the world, 'I was wrong,'"" recalled ! Rabbi Marvin Hier, the Wiesenthal Center's founder. "He is saying, ! 'Everything I've stood for in the last decade was for nothing.' That's ! admitting to a life's mistake." ! ! Now the Wiesenthal Center and Leyden are putting his firsthand knowledge ! of neo-Nazi activities to work -- a plan that has earned Leyden a ! "traitor" label among former skinhead associates. ! ! The center has arranged for Leyden to address a national hate conference ! in Miami in October. Leyden is also scheduled to speak about hate groups ! in the military during an upcoming visit to Fort Bragg, the North Carolina ! Army base where swastikas were found last month painted on the doors of ! rooms occupied by white soldiers. ! ! Leyden's family now fears for its safety. He said late-night callers ! frequently hang up or leave obscene messages. ! ! But Leyden refuses to let the threats scare him. ! ! "I think Tom has already removed the tattoos inside," said Rabbi Abraham ! Cooper, associate dean at the Wiesenthal Center. "He's made some really ! severe errors. But he has my respect, which is the last thing I thought ! I'd be saying about someone who spent years in the skinhead movement." ! ! - 30 - ! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- ! Version: 2.6.2 ! ! iQBVAwUBMh/065NcNyVVy0jxAQESeQH+M9A1vU5hxZnOID7gNAWkmQabQTwe9uv/ ! LWETIkkWQoHqnEYlcjtgxC1ayDu1xBC0rEpvA/MPL/LauCkrxRbaAw== ! =C7nU ! -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ! ! -rich ! http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.c2.org/~rich/ Easy come, easy go. -- I marvel at the resilience of the white people. Their best characteristic is their desire to learn. No other people has such an obsession with the intellect. >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 08:46:32 1996 Received: from wichita.fn.net (root(a)wichita.fn.net [204.233.71.1]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03380 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 08:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from steve.shelby.com (mark108.fn.net [204.233.108.131]) by wichita.fn.net (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA13490 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 10:47:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960825144031.006d5e80(a)mail.fn.net> X-Sender: sshelby(a)mail.fn.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 10:40:31 -0400 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: Steve Shelby <sshelby(a)wichita.fn.net> Subject: Posting HTML. When posting an article that was originally HTML, perhaps you could save it as a text instead? Makes it a little easier to read. Thanks >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 08:56:21 1996 Received: from mail-1.mail.demon.net (mail-1.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.211]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA04034 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 08:57:07 -0700 (PDT) From: paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by mail-1.mail.demon.net id ag08175; 25 Aug 96 16:53 BST Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk ([158.152.120.223]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa17201; 25 Aug 96 16:52 +0100 Received: from fatmans.demon.co.uk by fatmans.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA840935122 ; Sun, 25 Aug 96 01:05:22 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:05:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: subscribe cypherpunks Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Message-ID: <840988336.17201.0(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> SUBSCRIBE cypherpunks paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 12:13:53 1996 Received: from laguna.arc.unm.edu (laguna.arc.unm.edu [198.59.173.7]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16785 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 12:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alb-nm4-03.ix.netcom.com (finite(a)alb-nm4-03.ix.netcom.com [206.214.146.67]) by laguna.arc.unm.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01875 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960825191447.0b77e912(a)arc.unm.edu> X-Sender: drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:14:47 -0600 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: David Rosoff <drosoff(a)ARC.unm.EDU> Subject: You have your papers, please? [off-topic] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Today, I returned to school, a bright shiny venture into my junior year. Only slightly dampened by the closing of campuses - well, I should explain. High school campuses have typically been "open" here in Albuquerque, which to put it simply means that school is dismissed for lunch and opens again after it. But, in the traditional school style, that is, punishing the many for the crimes of the few, the politically-controlled and very partisan school board decided last year to close them, which would of course stop all the fights and robberies and graffiti during the noon hour, and not push it up two hours at all. Of course. This is rather drastic, so in an atypical show of clemency the people who do things to me for my own good decided to phase it in. Thus it affects me not at all - or so I thought. So my mood today wasn't really affected by this violation of rights, because I had my mind on other things. Until I was informed that I must carry my school-issued picture ID that is barely recognizable as human at all times, because at any time on campus a Gestapo agent disguised as a "campus aide" could demand to make sure that my papers were in order. When going to lunch I was carded to leave campus. Taking out my anger on someone who probably didn't deserve it, I said, "Are my papers in order, mein Fuehrer?" My, my, if looks could kill. The disturbing thing is that while I know it really is not a big deal to have to carry a dumb school ID so that bad rules can be enforced, no one around me understood why I was upset. I am worried that happenings of this sort will give Big Brother an opening for universal IDs and internal passports. No one will question it because they've been doing it their whole lives. And of course, anyone who does object must be a pervert, criminal, or other social deviant. =============================================================================== David Rosoff (nihongo ga sukoshi dekiru) ---------------> drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu PGP public key 0xD37692F9 -----> finger drosoff(a)acoma.arc.unm.edu or keyservers 0xD37692F9 Key fingerprint = 25 7D AA 01 85 41 43 89 50 5A 33 76 F1 F1 99 67 Do you know who's reading your email? ---> http://www.arc.unm.edu/~drosoff/pgp/ Is it a forgery? --- I have PGP signed all email and news posts since May 1996. =============================================================================== "Your Honor, I have been following this person's movements for quite some time, and I can prove that he is in possession of secret government underwear." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMhkizhguzHDTdpL5AQHGTwQAq2bYziwWjHsTm2WgxBpN6ch8vZcpVkRQ oKfR1XfshzObsvNup4Hr5q1LsgWXef8nb1Br49TSGj4u4GBWrfzuowftfDkem5JN YXpIX6QSsZeXKMMW06S7MnOM6qL5u83s8SKCS+amnpVEQcxhFNXkb8CMo0+6Kwid NZwSgwjtgYU= =c1Tj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 13:19:48 1996 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [206.165.5.51]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18464 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from primenet.com (root(a)usr06.primenet.com [206.165.5.106]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA00959 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:20:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from heavily.censored.org (heavily.censored.org [206.165.50.96]) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA25762 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:07:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960825201159.232fec0e(a)primenet.com> X-Sender: carolab(a)primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 15:11:59 -0500 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: Censored Girls Anonymous <carolann(a)censored.org> Subject: Re: Ruritania I thank all of you for your fine detective work. I found this on the tsmenace list without an attribute. It was a strange place for it, as it was cypherpunk in content. But as it applies anywhere, (and the using PGP on a political activist list project continues), at least they are making some progress in their thinking. The article drew no flames whatsoever. I will Mr. Perry, happily inform the tsmenace list (tsmenace(a)zoom.com) who the originator of the article is. Love Always, Carol Anne At 01:32 PM 8/24/96 -0400, you wrote: >> The Legend of Ruritania > technology had been developed, and in this new age of wood, everyone in >When people repost my writing, I prefer that they leave some >indication on that I wrote it. > >Perry > > Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/ >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 14:46:45 1996 Received: from server.multipro.com (root(a)server.multipro.com [204.253.122.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20422 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (s5.pm.crossville.multipro.com [207.78.144.15]) by server.multipro.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA09138 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:35:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199608252135.QAA09138(a)server.multipro.com> X-Sender: nick(a)mail.multipro.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:49:12 -0500 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: Nick West <nick(a)multipro.com> Subject: URL for Browne and crypto "Stop the Browne Out!" now has a page that compares Harry Browne to Clinton & Dole on the subject of digital privacy. The URL is http://home.connectnet.com/qqq/crypto/ . They have various links and a logo you can add to your web site to link to the page. Nick West nick(a)multipro.com Member of the National Wild Turkey Federation and The Libertarian Party of Tennessee http://members.tripod.com/~NWest/index.html PGP Fingerprint= F9 F7 92 D9 D3 0B 56 3E FA 2A 78 59 27 32 7D 6F Public key available on request. >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 16:05:04 1996 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net (dns2.noc.best.net [206.86.0.21]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA22928 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sophi.best.com (sophi.vip.best.com [206.86.81.52]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA05562; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:05:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199608252305.QAA05562(a)dns2.noc.best.net> From: "Greg Kucharo" <sophi(a)best.com> To: "Vincent Cate" <vince(a)offshore.com.ai>, <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Subject: Re: Cypherpunk voting - ITAR or CDA Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:07:53 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does it matter? Shound't the fight here be in the courts and Congress as opposed to the President? The problem here is a constant one. If you vote Republican, it opens the door for less stringent economic laws but greater restriction on social freedoms. The Democrats are tradtionaly the opposite. It's like the Janus. They speak of countermanding viewpoints, but in the end the truth lies somewhere in the middle. There will undoubtely be watered down versions of both laws in effect. My guess is that a new ITAR style would run along the lines of current arms trafficking regulations. That means no trading yer crypto with the so-called rogue states. Impossible, but we are talking about the U.S. Government here. I have no idea how they could enforce anything like the CDA. Possibly they would promote the use of restictive services in browsers. Who knows. ---------- > From: Vincent Cate <vince(a)offshore.com.ai> > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Cypherpunk voting - ITAR or CDA > Date: Saturday, August 24, 1996 10:37 PM > > > Dole says he would fix the ITAR problem, but try to keep something like > CDA. > > Clinton is keeping ITAR and signed CDA. But not having the religious > right he might soften on CDA. > > The courts seem to be throwing out CDA much faster than ITAR (some fast > track to the supreme court built into the law). It also seems like ITAR > is the more important thing to fix (it is easier to move pornography etc > out of the US than major software companies). > > So it seems Dole is the better vote. Is this important enough to many > cypherpunks to actually determine their vote? > > -- Vince > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Vincent Cate vince(a)offshore.com.ai http://www.offshore.com.ai/vince/ > Offshore Information Services http://www.offshore.com.ai/ >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 17:17:49 1996 Received: from mstrinet.usmc.mil ([192.156.78.41]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24560 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mstrinet.usmc.mil; Sun, 25 Aug 96 6:20:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 96 6:20:45 -24000 Message-ID: <vines.Afe5+xX06mB(a)mstrinet.usmc.mil> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> From: <MAILER-DAEMON(a)mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil> Subject: Undeliverable Message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To: <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Cc: Subject: Re: "----- Message body suppressed -----" Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM error codes. VNM3043: BANYAN SERVER@MAG26@2DMAW NEW RIVER VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL The message cannot be delivered because the recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of messages, as set by the system administrator. The recipient must delete some messages before any other messages can be delivered. The maximum message limit for a user's mailbox is 10,000. The default message limit is 1000 messages. Administrators can set message limits using the Mailbox Settings function available in the Manage User menu (MUSER). When a user's mailbox reaches the limit, the user must delete some of the messages before the mailbox can accept any more incoming messages. UNDEFINED! At 1:10 AM 8/21/96, llurch(a)stanford.edu (Rich Graves) wrote: ! > ----- Message body suppressed ----- ! > ! ! ! Sounds good to me. Keep it up. ! ! ! --Tim May ! ! ! -- ! [This Bible excerpt awaiting review under the U.S. Communications Decency ! Act of 1996] ! And then Lot said, "I have some mighty fine young virgin daughters. Why ! don't you boys just come on in and fuck them right here in my house - I'll ! just watch!"....Later, up in the mountains, the younger daughter said: ! "Dad's getting old. I say we should fuck him before he's too old to fuck." ! So the two daughters got him drunk and screwed him all that night. Sure ! enough, Dad got them pregnant, and had an incestuous bastard son....Onan ! really hated the idea of doing his brother's wife and getting her pregnant ! while his brother got all the credit, so he pulled out before he ! came....Remember, it's not a good idea to have sex with your sister, your ! brother, your parents, your pet dog, or the farm animals, unless of course ! God tells you to. [excerpts from the Old Testament, Modern Vernacular ! Translation, TCM, 1996] Your sigs are better looking than his body. >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 17:33:10 1996 Received: from fat.doobie.com (remailer(a)fat.doobie.com [204.62.130.103]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24941 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from remailer@localhost) by fat.doobie.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA16531 for cypherpunks(a)toad.com; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:34:02 -0700 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:34:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199608260034.RAA16531(a)fat.doobie.com> Subject: The wisdom of the US Government To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: nobody(a)huge.cajones.com (Huge Cajones Remailer) Comments: Please report misuse of this automated remailing service to <remailer-admin(a)cajones.com> Hacking the US Treasury web page wasn't very smart, there are much better places to hack: http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/plain/forms_pubs/expert.html Unencrypted, unauthenticated, self-extracting archive executables from America's most beloved Governmental `service'? >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 18:01:42 1996 Received: from panix3.panix.com (panix3.panix.com [198.7.0.4]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25595 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shabbir@localhost) by panix3.panix.com (8.7.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) id VAA03356; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:02:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Voters Telecommunications Watch <shabbir(a)vtw.org> Message-Id: <199608260102.VAA03356(a)panix3.panix.com> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Errors-To: shabbir(a)vtw.org Subject: INFO: Democratic convention chats online! Be there! (8/25/96) ============================================================================ DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION ONLINE CHAT SCHEDULE! LIVE CHATS FROM THE CONVENTION! (DO NOT DISTRIBUTE AFTER SEPTEMBER 1, 1996) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Table of contents What's New Chat Schedule Getting Chat Software ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT'S NEW The Democratic convention's online chat program has begun! It's crucial that Netizens make net concerns a high profile issue in the online chats this year. You can do this by showing up and simply asking the right questions. Does the candidate think the Communications Decency Act is an effective method of shielding kids from material online, or parental control? Does the candidate support the use of privacy-enhancing encryption technology? Does the candidate support program such as THOMAS, that put government info in the hands of the people? If you don't ask these questions, they'll never know we care. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CHAT SCHEDULE [Notably missing from this schedule are Senators Patrick J. Leahy (D-VT) and Russell Feingold (D-WI) and House member Jerrold Nadler (D-NY). All three have impeccable cyberspace credentials and we look forward to seeing them online.] All chats take place at http://ichat.dncc96.org:4080/ Monday 08/26/96 - 4:20pm CDT Governor Lawton Chiles 08/26/96 - 7:15pm CDT House Candidate Michela Alioto 08/26/96 - 10:30pm CDT Congressman Bill Richardson Tuesday 08/27/96 - 9:00am CDT Senate Candidate Houston Gordon 08/27/96 - 5:00pm CDT Congresswoman Nita Lowey Wednesday 08/28/96 - 9:00am CDT - Senate Candidate Houston Gordon 08/28/96 - 10:00am CDT - Governor Gaston Caperton 08/28/96 - 3:00pm CDT - Senator John D Rockefeller IV 08/28/96 - 4:00pm CDT - Senator John Kerry 08/28/96 - 4:30pm CDT - Senator Harry Reid 08/28/96 - 9:30pm CDT - Representative Corrine Brown Thursday 08/29/96 - 10:30am CDT - Senate Candidate Houston Gordon 08/29/96 - 2:30pm CDT - Senator Kent Conrad 08/29/96 - 3:30pm CDT - Representative Eliot Engel 08/29/96 - 6:00pm CDT - Representative Barney Frank 08/29/96 - 7:00pm CDT - Senators Boxer & Murray Don't miss this opportunity to question the newsmakers on net issues such as free speech and privacy! We have to ensure that they feel appreciated for standing up for Net issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- GETTING CHAT SOFTWARE The Democratic Convention has chosen iChat's chat software for their interface. To obtain a copy, simply follow the links from the main convention homepage at http://www.dncc96.org/ to the software section. ### ============================================================================ >From cpadmin(a)toad.com Sun Aug 25 18:20:16 1996 Received: from infinity.c2.org (infinity.c2.org [140.174.185.11]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25839 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zirko (exit17.bluegrass.net [205.198.88.217]) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608260119.SAA22964(a)infinity.c2.org> From: Lou Zirko <lzirko(a)c2.net> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com X-Priority: Normal Subject: 128-bit MSIE X-Mailer: Pronto Secure [Ver 1.05] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgprequest: signed -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Sun Aug 25 21:18:42 1996 It appears that the 128-bit download of MS Internet Explorer had disappeared from their website again. Did anyone successfully download it and if so is it archived anywhere. Thanks, Lou Zirko Lou Zirko (502)383-2175 Zystems lzirko(a)c2.org "We're all bozos on this bus" - Nick Danger, Third Eye -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQEVAwUBMiEJi8tPRTNbb5z9AQEKVAf+KbP/v0Yg0oTFx/PSghgApIkyMJjUkK27 mASRZvqSZzAsizxUTPuIn7qGlYpM2qQCLYYXe986zYP39sDaGEdhTpNxzixa2XN4 k+ZmuklUFPWPUwRbhxSTrjFiId38MhPYJ0zaKWdzFt8iI6UlwypD9999HC913k2F gAjGxQW4lzEA2/juavxENiG1vGeQQ64Ms0wOP8wAdaEE0O5RSiVhlOjpqtlpamTd Mx3DR6EKSLrz9acjB87rya6YRRtVfsjrzngOjiPMLdqhhYImYooPYNx+4vac7o92 gsEsOkh5l9u2NHfyoAcowXWUpIS9gGcstxTiWGiaDpIeSWbXj07UZw== =hX+X -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Husband/Wife jailed f
by pjn＠nworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Published in Washington, D.C. July 9, 1996 > Insult to Clinton leads to 2 arrests > > ------------------------------------------------------ > By Ruth Larson > THE WASHINGTON TIMES > ------------------------------------------------------ In> I think you should try a more credible paper. Say, Scientology's In> Freedom Magazine, rather than the Moonies'. You are of course free to In> believe whatever you wish. In> -rich Lets see... I heard that on: * CNN * Local News * And on a Shortwave radio broadcast. They might not bat 1000, but even 500 is good. P.J. pjn(a)nworks.com ... RAM = Rarely Adequate Memory ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

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NAV_ios
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

8-26-96, NYP: "A Netscape Bid For the Souls of New Machines." Markoff. Netscape plans on Monday to announce that it has created a software company that will enter an alliance with I.B.M., Oracle and four Japanese consumer electronics giants. The venture, called the Navio Corporation, intends to develop refined software for browsing the Internet and a new OS that Netscape hopes will become a standard means for controlling Internet access and basic operations for a broad range of consumer devices. The four Japanese companies in the alliance -- Sony, Nintendo, Sega and NEC -- are dominant in producing a variety of home entertainment devices, and the expected announcement, analysts said, suggested that the Internet, which until now has largely been a business and educational marketplace, would soon vastly broaden its scope. ----- http://jya.com/navios.txt (8 kb) NAV_ios

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)miron.vip.best.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"c2"} = "<remail(a)c2.org> eric pgp hash reord"; $remailer{"penet"} = "<anon(a)anon.penet.fi> penet post"; $remailer{"flame"} = "<remailer(a)flame.alias.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut post reord"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"ecafe"} = "<cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org> cpunk mix"; $remailer{"amnesia"} = "<amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ksub"; $remailer{'alpha'} = '<alias(a)alpha.c2.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'nymrod'} = '<nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"lead"} = "<mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"nemesis"} = "<remailer(a)meaning.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"exon"} = "<remailer(a)remailer.nl.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"vegas"} = "<remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"haystack"} = "<haystack(a)holy.cow.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"ncognito"} = "<ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> mix cpunk pgp hash latent"; $remailer{"lucifer"} = "<lucifer(a)dhp.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)c2.org> cpunk pgp hash cut ksub reord"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"balls"} = "<remailer(a)huge.cajones.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"middle"} = "<middleman(a)jpunix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (c2 alpha) (flame replay) (alumni portal) The alpha and nymrod nymservers are down due to abuse. Last update: Mon 26 Aug 96 6:48:16 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- exon remailer(a)remailer.nl.com ***-* 17:17 99.96% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com +-++-+--++++ 2:27:19 99.95% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca *******.**** 1:14:34 99.94% nemesis remailer(a)meaning.com ************ 15:42 99.93% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de +-+- 2:27:26 99.62% penet anon(a)anon.penet.fi ...---..-- 21:06:37 99.58% replay remailer(a)replay.com **** *++* ** 5:07 99.10% middle middleman(a)jpunix.com -- 1:34:56 99.02% amnesia amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com -------- -- 3:52:36 98.47% lead mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu + +++++++-+ 52:43 96.86% winsock winsock(a)c2.org ..------ -- 12:52:32 95.16% balls remailer(a)huge.cajones.com *******# *** 4:39 92.86% haystack haystack(a)holy.cow.net * - -*#*#* 37:17 83.96% extropia remail(a)miron.vip.best.com ---- - 5:40:19 73.28% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Apology
by sclatter＠netscape.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

During my efforts to rectify a problem with our news server, I inadvertently remailed a number of messages to this list. I apologise for the disturbance this has caused, and will do my best to prevent a repeat of the error. Thank you, Sarah

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Re: Public vs Private (Was: Re: Violation or Protection?)
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a very thoughtful essay. We need more of them. Though "I agree" messages are frowned upon, the fact is that most Cypherpunks messages understandably are messages critiquing or disagreeing with some part of another message...this is not too surprising. But sometimes it's useful to say "I agree." At 1:31 PM 8/26/96, Lou Poppler wrote: ... >As with anything, there are gray areas and boundary cases in real life >where this is not as clear-cut as in the private/public examples TCM >has provided us in the past. Let's look at a couple of fuzzy examples. ... >Another fuzzy gray area would be the common areas in shopping malls -- >the large corridors outside the stores, with fountains and park benches >and payphones and trees and public performance areas. These spaces ... >for trendy young people to want to gather. Various skirmishes are >occasionally fought over such questions as soliciting petition signatures >or giving out free printed information in these spaces. This is essentially a "squatter's rights" kind of "blurring," as I see it. (And I don't agree with the argument for the blurring.) The argument goes something like this: "I've been coming to this Mall for many years, and this is where the people I want to see my protest come. Therefore, I have earned a kind of squatter's right to enter your property and make my protest." The larger game-theoretic point is the one Lou notes later, that the players on all sides use the law to jockey for advantage--the merchant gets skateboarding and loitering banned on public streets, customers of private shopping malls get the courts to let them set up their protests on the property of others. (Needless to say, I don't sympathize with either example.) ... >This is true in perhaps more ways than those so far discussed. >The cause of liberty is broad: it embraces Mr. May's freedom to run his >hypothetical business by his own rules, dictating what his employees may >and may not do using his computers and firing them if he doesn't like >the color of their tie; it also embraces the freedom of surly youths >and old codgers to hang out somewhere, up to no particular good and >espousing unpopular or pig-headedly-wrong opinions, frightening horses >and small children. And just as one lobbying group is pushing for restrictions in public places of "loiterers" and "bums" (my town, Santa Cruz, passed a law which criminalized _sitting_ on public streets, even out of the flow of traffic), other lobbying groups are pushing for interfering with rights of employers to set dress codes, as but one example. A constant confusion of what "rights" really are. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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