December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: In reference to comments made to me and to the Group
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com, whgiii(a)amaranth.com Date: Thu Aug 29 11:53:46 1996 I kind of like this valid discussion going on. PERIOD. But I believe that although there's something (maybe, maybe not) politicians (be they Protestant, Palestinians or from Dresden) might find a misdemeanor, one shouldn't boast with possible unwarranted encryption. No, seriously, your arguments tend to be belittled by your spelling. (Maybe you should get Pronto Secure, it has a spellchecker included) BTW, I don't get paid by Commtouch for writing that (SNIF!). A quick overview: beleive, politions, disscusion, orginised, sponcered, orginization, wekness, vailid, Dresdin, durring, expantion, Prodistant, Palisinians, unwarrented, PEROID, somthing, mistamener, mabye, mabye not, possiable, encyrption, disscussing, bost I hate teachers and people who show of with their spelling (and I'm a split personality). Yeah, me too. - ------< fate favors the prepared mind >------ Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/crypto/crypto.html - ----< words are what reality is made of >---- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMiVoqxFhy5sz+bTpAQFYUgf/eu+dQvQALz7Of3DCWLoBWVICY2fmnDJB tQcHTNbuPXybjACVq8+LxdKT2wjXzuU401/rv4dW5+LgrMRlKMIhjx8xAIKSKBOg VBb2ruV9SG2/+sY0iYzJY1Dz4opf5c9aCLgN5ptM2LeWyWOtK71VtV8ASDaoGBP7 HIs9jVJ3sbyQaf8CPfR+pEQSjGLHCm8QshazSjPvuUdIRxB5f9Etpy+45vK4FVPP EXWYaN3jTBOPC24Qe8qGs+Dn/9C5ZR9y0Y2edv/XzWDZrdg951lSdQKxca4wtCbD nyKQ/R86wvfy65uwrBDzUSFupuA1M8TcF63ncybQ/316cHl8x/z0rA== =musf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Simulations
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:05 PM 8/28/96 -0800, jim bell wrote: >To me, the most obvious one is GIGO: Simulations, especially >political/social ones, might depend heavily on assumptions that are >programmed into them. A trivial, yet interesting example is the computer >game "Sim City" which allowed you to adjust the "tax rate" but problems >always cropped up the further away you were from 7%. The libertarians were >frustrated that we were unable to drop the tax rate and still get a >well-functioning, happy society. I was taking economics back in the Armonk Iron days and we played around with an economic simulation program written in Fortran. One was supposed to adjust government spending and taxes to find an optimum level. I set both taxes and spending to zero. We got a lot of economic growth and a lot of inflation (this was not a monetarist simulation). But we were happier. DCF

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Real or Not ?
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I snagged this off a news group this AM.. comments?? A lot of people think that PGP encryption is unbreakable and that the NSA/FBI/CIA/MJ12 cannot read their mail. This is wrong, and it can be a deadly mistake. In Idaho, a left-wing activist by the name of Craig Steingold was arrested _one day_ before he and others where to stage a protest at government buildings; the police had a copy of a message sent by Steingold to another activist, a message which had been encrypted with PGP and sent through E-mail. Since version 2.1, PGP ("Pretty Good Privacy") has been rigged to allow the NSA to easily break encoded messages. Early in 1992, the author, Paul Zimmerman, was arrested by Government agents. He was told that he would be set up for trafficking narcotics unless he complied. The Government agency's demands were simple: He was to put a virtually undetectable trapdoor, designed by the NSA, into all future releases of PGP, and to tell no-one. After reading this, you may think of using an earlier version of PGP. However, any version found on an FTP site or bulletin board has been doctored. Only use copies acquired before 1992, and do NOT use a recent compiler to compile them. Virtually ALL popular compilers have been modified to insert the trapdoor (consisting of a few trivial changes) into any version of PGP prior to 2.1. Members of the boards of Novell, Microsoft, Borland, AT&T and other companies were persuaded into giving the order for the modification (each ot these companies' boards contains at least one Trilateral Commission member or Bilderberg Committee attendant). It took the agency more to modify GNU C, but eventually they did it. The Free Software Foundation was threatened with "an IRS investigation", in other words, with being forced out of business, unless they complied. The result is that all versions of GCC on the FTP sites and all versions above 2.2.3, contain code to modify PGP and insert the trapdoor. Recompiling GCC with itself will not help; the code is inserted by the compiler into itself. Recompiling with another compiler may help, as long as the compiler is older than from 1992.

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Mimic Function Stego Programs?
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anybody have a stego program along the lines of Peter Wayner's Mimic Functions? I'm looking for something that you can hand a grammar and a set of bits that will produce sentences in the grammar, plus a decoder that can take the sentences and reconstruct the bits. I have a friend who lives in a kleptocratic country where the local bureaucrats have made it clear they'll confiscate the main email node in his town if they catch traffic they recognize as encrypted, and text in some non-popular language may be less obvious than, say, Mandelbrot sets with stego-bits or other artwork. ----- PHB would work ok... http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert960821-9577.gif ----- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> Reassign Authority!

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Re: Hayek (was: Cato Institute conference on Net-regulation)
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:26 AM 8/28/96, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >Senile tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) rants: >> Indeed, Hayek has had a _lot_ to do with the Cypherpunks! From "The Road to >> Serfdom" to "Law, Legislation, and Liberty," his works have exerted a >> profound influence on me, and on many others. > >But he's fucking unreadable. I plan to teach economic this semester and >make every student read Hazlitt (economics in 1 lesson). I can't force them >to read hayek (or Rothbard) because they're fucking unreadable. Shit. Well, to one who inserts "(spit)" after nearly every name he cites, and critiques Hayek as "fucking unreadable. Shit.," I suppose Hayek must indeed seem unreadable. Shit. After all, Hayek rarely writes things like: "The senile Von Mises (spit) and his Sovok Cabal plotters...." As to "forcing" your students to read Hayek, just who is in charge? If you're the instructor, they can choose to read what you tell them to read, or be unprepared on the exams you give and possibly flunk the class. What part of "Required Reading" do you or your students not understand? --Tim (spit) May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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MSIE cryptography
by John Hemming - CEO MarketNet 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just downloaded the most recent English Version 2.1 for Windows 3.1. This does appear to do the same in terms of no encryption at all after the server hello. To be fair to Microsoft the number of cycles performed for the private key echange is quite high. Therefore, not having any key and not doing the RSA calculations makes the access quite a bit faster. The older versions (and some Win95 versions) that we have found around seem to just crash our server. I am not really feeling like debugging that.

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Re: Thoughts on CyberTerrorism {per request}
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: whgiii(a)amaranth.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Thu Aug 29 15:45:06 1996 > The issue of cyberterrorism can be divided into 3 main parts: > Catastrophic Terrorist Attack > Major Criminal Attack > Minor Hacker Attacks > The CyberTerrorist > The CyberTerrorist/Mad Scientist > The Computer Criminal > The Hacker It seems that you have a very broad view as to what constitutes terrorism. According to you, somebody who hacks into a system is a cyberterrorist. It seems, that would make a burglar a real life terrorist, too. So, to state my point: you use the word cyberterrorism in conjunction with ALL possible attacks on a system. Did I get that definition right? If not, why not? Greetings, Remo Pini - ------< fate favors the prepared mind >------ Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/crypto/crypto.html - ----< words are what reality is made of >---- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMiWe5BFhy5sz+bTpAQGf5gf+L6Mkx4rqvdvsWe84j2TzLYaeOpbO7VCe S1Ia3EC9rByfXK71zmDCWRd7bTdmRULq297dD/Aqr7KWSEEtsBpQCLs8tGiPCV3I S+M613ud6Uy9QXtIyw14Ao7XILijWUDU2Hdwb5xfmJ/GIIQiZyDjMVLDXABM7rgb 4d+5AP+gh6VTRNqd2LmhwcvhUoupeJ40QxlRyOJ2A4ZNT7xaS7shUPnbS5kcuSrF z27nRmnaPkRmh3VD870OIoTRsWUOIQ9lwUkXrPdly9w8E23FyuXGPEMkW+KdUCNZ 6hI7YYsBnCJjM+aUzq3Ypt/N/iUcbPvKO4T+FtbKJHB15IbtDTUr4A== =pg+4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Realtime Keyserver update
by Osborne, Rick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

First off, let me say thank you to all of those who responded to my first message, I gained alot of useful information. Mark Rogaski <wendigo(a)pobox.com> and I have decided to write up a RFC on it and are going through the initial stages of deciding on its functionality. We would appreciate any and all useful input on the subject. All ideas are welcome. You can email my autoresponder (at this same address) to get the latest information on what we've decided. Just make the subject GET KEYSERVER INFO for the response. Thank you for your interest and help. Rick Osborne

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List owner named in law suit (fwd)
by Damien Lucifer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:52:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Clay Irving <clay(a)panix.com> Subject: List owner named in law suit I can't believe this one! Peter Laws, a recent graduate of the University of Arkansas, maintains an electronic mailing list called "SCAN-L". The list is provided for radio scanning enthusiasts. There are a few hundred subscribers to the list. Recently, in a thread about scanning publications, an employee of publication "A" apparently wrote something to offend someone at publication "B". Lo and behold, next thing you know, Peter is named in a lawsuit because he is the maintainer of the list. Something seems very, very wrong with this. I've never heard of anything like this before. Can a Email list maintainer be held liable for something someone else writes? Peter *just* graduated, and he needs all the help he can get. Thanks, in advance. -- Clay Irving N2VKG clay(a)panix.com http://www.panix.com/~clay/

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Small German bank claims first with online service
by Joseph M. Reagle Jr. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> FRANKFURT, Aug 28 (Reuter) - German private bank Gries & >Heissel Bankiers on Wednesday launched an Internet banking >service -- the first comprehensive service of its kind in a >country where online bank options are gradually taking off. > The small Berlin-based bank linked up with U.S. computer >firm Hewlett Packard Co to develop the system, which Internet >users can access using a high-security personal code. > Clients will be able to view detailed balances on their >deposit, current and securities accounts and transact all normal >banking business on the World Wide Web. > Although online banking is a developing trend on the German >financial services market, larger banks with far broader >customer bases are working on more selective Internet packages. > Thomas Gries, one of Gries & Heissel's personally-liable >directors, said he regarded Internet banking as a logical >supplement to the bank's existing services. > ``We have had an Internet home page since October 1995. This >move from a pure information medium to an interactive one was a >logical one,'' Gries said. > Banking officials attending the CEBIT electronics conference >in Hanover this week said German online banking business was >poised to grow dramatically. > ``In the next six months, five to ten German banks will be on >the Internet,'' said Stefan Schoeller, board member at Bayerische >Vereinsbank AG unit Vereins- und West Bank. > Vereinsbank plans to launch Internet services within about >six months via its Advance Bank direct unit, pending a review of >security options. > Rival discount broker Direkt Anlage Bank, a unit of >Bayerische Hypotheken- und Wechsel Bank AG, on Tuesday launched >an Internet service for its securities account holders at half >the cost of its telephone banking service. > Meanwhile market leader Deutsche Bank AG is to test >electronic cash on the Internet this autumn in a joint >initiative with Dutch electronic payments group Digicash NV. > Vereinsbank officials at CEBIT said they planned a steady >expansion of the bank's online options over the coming years, >predicting 10 to 15 percent of its current account clients would >be online by the year 2000. Around 12 million Germans would rely >on home banking by that date, the bank predicted. > At the moment, around 3.7 percent of the bank's clients, or >45,000 individuals, handle their banking via PC alone, Stefan >Schoeller said. > Hewlett-Packard's German sales manager Michael Lindner said >his company, which last year helped set up the world's first >Internet bank, Security First Network Bank, had spoken to >several other German banks about some kind of Internet venture. > ``We certainly do not plan to limit our involvement to a >small exclusive bank,'' he said. > Lindner said there were about two million Internet users in >Germany and 35 million worldwide. He admitted that the amount of >bank business transacted on the Net -- about $200 million -- was >``very limited'' but predicted a dramatic rise in volume. > Vereinsbank's Schoeller said the cost advantage alone made >it worthwhile for customers to go online. A normal current >account incurred charges of 8.40 marks a month, while the same >account online would cost just 5.40 marks, he said. > All banks are stressing the security of the Internet. > > > _______________________ Regards, Boredom is the feeling that everything is a waste of time; serenity, that nothing is. -Thomas Szasz Joseph Reagle http://rpcp.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html reagle(a)mit.edu E0 D5 B2 05 B6 12 DA 65 BE 4D E3 C1 6A 66 25 4E

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