December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

128-bit IE3.0 adventures
by David.K.Merriman＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com, webmaster(a)microsoft.com Date: Tue Aug 20 09:42:56 1996 I *finally* managed to get through to the 1-800 number that pops up when an attempted download of 128-bit MSIE 3.0 fails. They can only send out 128-bit version *2.0*, it seems. They referred me to the 1-800 Sales number, but of course, the sales droids weren't savvy enough to understand the problem, and tried to hand me off to a 206 area code number. At that point, I called off the drill - I'm not going to pay for a toll call to fix MS's screwup. "original" 800 number: 1-800-455-2959 Alternate 800 number: 1-800-426-9400 (autobot) - select 3, then 4, then 1 to get a Real Person. Anyone else upset about being denied might want to give them a call, too. Who knows, maybe if they get enough calls, they'll send someone to fix it. Dave - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PGP Email welcome, encouraged, and PREFERRED. Visit my web site at http://www.shellback.com/p/merriman for my PGP key and fingerprint "What is the sound of one hand clapping in a forest with no one there to hear it?" I use Pronto Secure (tm) PGP-fluent Email software for Windows -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMhkYK8VrTvyYOzAZAQE0SgQApRBedkueeR2JTAJknfA7JGER/oNReVUK i8ImmNzjQDeionIkMbV2CuGOE/DwblVQ2yDgnUIBteNAFeiebwzdxaw9ysRKshRY 5AuvmXCyVsFJMNICFlZwNTRH+x4h7EPqA5BPxXJb+3b0sxWxqFcnU8QocJlFq+ap ksb0mwgbVYc= =L3IC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [RANT] Death of Usenet: Film at 11
by tob＠world.std.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

frantz(a)netcom.com (Bill Frantz) writes: > At 1:34 PM 8/19/96 -0700, Mike Duvos wrote: > > > Moderated newsgroups gain reputation from their moderation policies and > probably should not be included in this scheme. Actually, this was hashed out a long time ago on the late, lamented news.future. I'm pleased to see ideas I fought for coming to life again. Moderation could easily fit in. A moderation-stamp would be just one more field for the search to work with. Someone (I think it was me but it's been years since all this was said!) speculated that this would actually be an improvement in several ways: * If rejected messages were indicated by simply missing a signature of approval, voluntary not searched for by individual readers, it would be harder to claim moderator censorship. Or to accomplish it, for that matter. * Multiple independent moderators could work on the same newsgroup. * If the stamp of approval were dissociated from the message proper, messages could propagate without waiting for the moderator's receive-email-and-post cycle. The moderator's "OK" would catch up later, for those readers that wait for it. Imminent resurrection of Usenet predicted. Film-teaser at 5. Tom

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Re: [NOISE] Naked woman decrapitates man on Internet!!!
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue Aug 20 16:55:54 1996 > Seven billion (thousand million for you Brits) people in the world. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Actually everybody uses billion as 10^12 (except Americans -> 10^9). ;-) America is getting more and more of an island... ;-) - ------< fate favors the prepared mind >------ Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/crypto/crypto.html - ----< words are what reality is made of >---- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMhnR+xFhy5sz+bTpAQFAvggAwnWNgUTs0vpnwtK34AJjictQlLOZrhYl ANY8xoZ3cLKlcLZmLIo2m+N9QOrO9Bdp4Q1op1KTa9BUUDH0vl5rZak5C/L/+TKw EDp2N143ANWGrz5xd3BgFd/ly8VEPwVGQc85yjW6noRIl+5GUHaYKtNPGzr0V6oU d83igcL3/zU9GGwT6l1r7o/U/+cjy6Poui2IZYlVqy564kE2s71ztlVH687ZAHaF ZTRdkLZqi56AjI1g684zKik0qQ98SdQpHqz1CpzT6BuDS954bk3gip95Znu4PtYu vSEDTsTNf05jNqpjDHTLtPSSELgjNmA07Sb8PLlqJOWLcWVmYQP3Eg== =8mhr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: [NOISE] Naked woman decrapitates man on Internet!!!
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote: >Seven billion (thousand million for you Brits) people in the world. More >than 10,000 deaths every hour, or about 5 deaths per second. >What's so sick about one measly death? Just another crime, like >thousands of others every day. They just got caught. At least he's >immortalized on the Net. Only 24 hours in each day. How do you spend your time? James Spray my name on a subway train Carve my name in a video game Out looking for the camera crew Sell my soul for a second on the six-o'clock news Gonna live 'til the bubble pops Hold my breath when the big one drops Immortality is what I'm buying But I'd rather be immortal by not dying.

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Re: Billy boy's satellites [Was - Floating DataHaven]
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:16 AM 8/19/96, Vipul Ved Prakash wrote: >> >> Vincent Cate wrote: >> Doesn't the low orbit part mean that the satellites will have a low life >> expectancy, meaning a new launch every couple of days? (where's Gerald >> Bull when you need him - oh yes, now I remember ...) LEO (Low Earth Orbit) is only relative to the main alternative placement for broadcast satellites: geostationary orbit, out in the Clarke Belt. LEO satellites are well above significant drag of the troposphere and are expected to remain in orbit far longer than their lifetimes as useful transponders. >The Iridium Project was pretty neat in this respect. I don't know what >is happenning with it as of now. It had some 230+ satellites, and some >smart routing techniques, if a satellite goes down. Actually, far fewer. The original number of satellites (not counting spares) was equal to the atomic number of iridium, hence the name (though maybe they altered the number of satellites to match the atomic number?). They later reduced the needed number by a few, but kept the name. An Alta Vista search on "iridium AND satellite" produces 1000 hits, so there's plent of information out there. There are also two major competing systems, also not yet deployed. One is the Microsoft-McCaw Cellular project, another is being done by an aerospace company working with Qualcomm, or a subsidiary. Again, the Web should produce the information for anyone interested. Which of the three (and maybe more) systems will actually get deployed, and which will succeed in the market, is an interesting question. There's some obvious crypto/GAK/New World Order issues: many countries may not care for a communications system which allows citizen-units or enemy agents to make phone calls from the middle of the Kalahari desert or from within the jungles of Burma. (The Israelis, for example, are insisting that all handheld units have Explosives Escrow, for detonation with appropriate official orders.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: BlackNet: Commercial Posts?
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Or About 19 Aug 96, 18:40, Timothy C. May wrote: > At 1:05 PM 8/19/96, Ross Wright wrote: > > > >My question to the list: > > > >Who benefits from all this publicity and brew-ha-ha? Who makes all > >the BlackNet money? Who really cares if it is a Data Haven or just > >a remailer? I'm just asking. > > Well, obviously I do. I receive $1.42 for every posting which > mentions BlackNet, 7% of gross sales for all commercial > transactions, and 12.5% plus a sliding finder's fee for all military > and intelligence secrets sold via BlackNet. > > But all true paranoiacs knew this. > > --Aldrich Ames > Hey, It's not funny. So this is freeware? I thought someone offered 3 mil for the program. Tim, you wrote this thing? So who owns it now? Can it be owned? Maybe I misunderstand. Ross =========== Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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Re: "Utilization Review"
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:58 PM 8/19/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: >On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Bill Frantz wrote: >> Perhaps, within our current social order, medical savings plans >> are the best option on the table. > >What alternative social orders can you envision that would handle this >problem elegantly? I can't think of any off the top of my head. Well, under Cryptoanarchy the whole problem disappears. Your medical records are handled as per your contract with your doctor. There are no 3rd party payers who have a stake. With no taxes, the deduction for medical savings plans disappears and with it the principle reason for them. (People would still need to save for medical costs.) >Medical savings plans do not work for anyone but the extremely rich and >healthy, because few normal people can self-insure to cover the risk. The risk of catastrophic illness is indeed significant, but statistically rare. If we assume people will insure for it, and insurance companies still have access to the records of the care they pay for, then we are still better off than we are today with all care being paid by insurance companies. In this scenario, routine medical care is being paid by the patient, and the records can be private between the patient and the doctor. This kind of system would prevent the general availability of information such as whether a patient had a vasectomy. Note that in the general case, people are healthy in their youth, and can build up savings for when health problems develop with age. TANSTAAFL. On the average, everyone has to pay the cost of their medical care. >There's also the little matter of letting your doctor know your medical >history. I have no problem letting my doctor know my medical history protected by doctor-patient confidentiality. It's the insurance company/human resources department/government access I worry about. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Cave ab homine unius lebri | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | [Beware the man of one | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | book] - Anonymous Latin | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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[NOISE] other distributed searches
by morgan＠keilin.helsinki.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Two distributed searches on the net are described in Science (9 August 1996 p. 743). One is a search for "Mersenne" prime numbers: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/justforfun/prime.htm The other is called SETI@home and apparently going to use idle time on people's computers (a screen saver) to search for patterns in data from Arecibo. The report says the project will be set up by Woody Sullivan of University of Washington, Seattle and will operate out of a server in Berkeley. (I wasn't able to locate any information about this on the web.) -- ===================================================================== Joel.Morgan(a)Helsinki.FI http://blues.helsinki.fi/~morgan "Over the mountains there are mountains." -- Chang-rae Lee =====================================================================

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ok ok ok i know
by Ryan M. Leach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sorry to bother the list with this but i lost the message describing the "unsubscribing" methods for this list (it's way to big for me) can some one mail me instr. on unsubscribing? TIA

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Key Length Correlation
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've read Blaze and diffie's paper on Semetric Key Length. I'm currious how semetric key length correlates to public key cryptography length. Does public key length have to be much longer, (assuming the algorithms are strong), to provide the same level of security as a shorter semetric key? TIA -- According to John Perry Barlow: *What is EFF?* "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker." *email <info(a)eff.org>* *** O U T L A W S On The E L E C T R O N I C F R O N T I E R **** US Out Of Cyberspace!!! Join EFF Today! *email <membership(a)eff.org>*

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