December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: How I Would Ban Strong Crypto in the U.S.
by thad＠hammerhead.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I agree with Raph's analysis, that for something like RSA encryption to work, you need to have a strong public key infrastructure, and that the Gov't could probably build one that people would use; and that would destroy their privacy. My prediction, though, is that because Diffie-Hellmann loses its patent protection so soon, in just over a year now, that RSA, or any persistent-key system, will not tend to be used for e-mail, phone conversations, or other types of communication; for D-H, no infrastructure need be in place. Now, it's true that you can't use D-H for authentication, and that is a tremendous disadvantage. Still, you could use the established gov't PKI to do the authentication, and use D-H for the exchange of keys. thad -- Thaddeus Beier thad(a)hammerhead.com Visual Effects Supervisor 408) 286-3376 Hammerhead Productions http://www.got.net/~thad

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50,000th Visitor a Winner!
by SpyKing 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Have you heard about the Codex Counter Contest? Every once and a while we post a target number for our page counter...if you are the lucky person who visits our site on that number according to the Connect2 counter...you win! All you need to do is print the page and fax it to us to collect your free prize! The first winner was Kevin Mullen aka jmulle(a)gremlan.org - Kevin won a brand new Sony 8mm video recorder (one thousand dollar value). Congradulations Kevin and enjoy your prize! P.S. While you're there, checkout some of our great resources and products...and don't forget to visit the The Codex Mall. This communication is copyrighted by the author. 1996, All Rights Reserved. This communication may be read only by the person to whom it is addressed. Unauthorized interception, forwarding, posting/re-posting of all/any part of this message is a violation of U.S. Copyright laws and may result in civil or criminal action against violators. The Codex Surveillance & Privacy News - http://www.thecodex.com PGP Key Available upon Request

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Exchange: Add PGP
by Jerome Tan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How can I add PGP feature to Exchange?

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Re: CDT Policy Post 2.27 - No New News on Crypto: Gore Restates
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:13 7/15/96, David Sternlight wrote: [Oh boy. DS discovered Cypherpunks. Well, I guess it was only a matter of time. You folks thought this list was active? Get ready for the onslaught. Hi, David. :-] >That's certainly one view. Another is that if you watch the precursors of >legislation, then actions in the Netherlands, the UK, and in the European >Parliament suggest that an independent European escrow initiative might >happen within a year. When it does it will be a trivial matter to harmonize >it with some US offering. The mills in various countries are grinding too >coincidentally for my taste. > >Given the glacial pace with which standard integrated crypto has appeared >on the Internet, with Navigator only going to offer the final >link--encrypted e-mail--later this year, the above timing isn't necessarily >one which will be left behind by independent Internet developments. And >given the glacial pace of PGP movement toward integrated internet standard >products, it hasn't a hope of beating the above timing to the punch. David is correct. Strong crypto standardization and integration have made little progress in the last two years. This is not about to change. In fact, any standard that is likely to be widely agreed upon will be a weak crypto standard. S/MIME with its 40 bit default key length is a prime example. Meanwhile, the governments in just about any country with an Internet connection, certainly the governments in the US, Australia, and the EC are marching in lock step to implement global GAK. There is not a single significant market in the western world in which GAK is not either being proposed, studied by pro-GAK "working groups", or already implemented. We might see GAK nearly world wide within two years. The question isn't if GAK will happen but only when it will happen. The speed by which GAK will become the law depends on a few factors, many of which are out of our control. Primarily, that means number and severity of Reichstag Fires the GAK proponents can make use of to push their cause. The odds seem slim that we will win the race to the mythical fork in the road at which point crypto regulations will no longer matter, because strong crypto is too widely deployed. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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Re: #E-CASH: PRODUCT OR SERVICE?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:48 AM 7/16/96 +0200, Steven Seyffert wrote: > >---------- >: From: bryce(a)digicash.com >: To: David G.W. Birch <daveb(a)hyperion.co.uk> >: Cc: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com>; cypherpunks(a)toad.com >: Subject: Re: #E-CASH: PRODUCT OR SERVICE? >: Date: maandag 15 juli 1996 15:36 > >: 4. Privacy. The privacy of Ecash(tm) payers is mathematically >: unconditional. >: >Just like the privacy of e-mail and the independance of the WWW once was. > Notice he says there's PAYER privacy. Payee privacy is possible, but not implemented by Digicash. Payee privacy is going to be a feature of a SUCCESSFUL digital cash system. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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No Subject
by Paul Mercer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: DCSB: Betting on the Future
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:07 PM 7/15/96 -0400, Robert Hettinga wrote: > The Digital Commerce Society of Boston > Presents > Duane Hewitt > Idea Futures >> I will introduce the concept of Idea Futures which is a market in which >> the odds of future events are set by betting. It is designed to reward >> those who can accurately forecast future outcomes. Hmmmm... Betting on future events... What a novel idea... Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Sternlight on C'punks
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:26 AM 7/16/96, David Sternlight wrote: >And another thing. The reason I've not joined this group earlier had >nothing to do with "worthy". It was because after discussion a year or so >ago, Tim May suggested to me via e-mail that it would just generate a lot >of controversy, at a time when people were so polarized that they couldn't >hear each other and thus my presence here would serve no useful purpose. I >took Tim's advice and stayed out. Hmmmhhh...I don't recall the context of our discussion. Certainly I would not discourage anyone from joining who really wanted to. (I also might have said that list views were fairly well-set, and that few minds would be changed by debating certain core issues. Again, I don't recall the context of my remarks to David.) In any case, I certainly welcome David Sternlight to our list. I have not often agreed with all or even many of his points, and I feel he is often abrasive (but, aren't a lot of us?), but I don't think he "wrecked" any newsgroups, much less sci.crypt. (But I've been away from sci.crypt and talk.politics.crypto for quite some time....) There were some flames, which I mostly ignored. Also, a peculiar kind of flame war dealt with endless speculations about his "motives." Utter nonsense, from careful reading of his views. That is, to insinuate that he is an agent of the NSA or the Bilderberger Grand Conspiracy merely because he (then) argued that Clipper was not as bad as most of us thought it was...well, that's just nonsensical. >The presenting symptom for my joining now was a copy of a post by an MIT >professor I respect to this group, which a colleague sent me. Perhaps I was >too hasty in my belief that we can begin to hear each other. As a point of information, many outsiders copy our list on crypto-related things for whatever reasons, without actually being contributors to ordinary discussions (or perhaps without even being subscribers). A decision to remain subscribed should be based more on what is seen on a daily basis than on what occasionally comes over the transom from MIT. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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DCSB: Betting on the Future
by sparks＠bah.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If I can't wear a V2 PGP T shirt It ain't good enuf to attend... cheap lunch too Charley >X-Sender: rah(a)tiac.net >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:07:12 -0400 >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> >Subject: DCSB: Betting on the Future >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Precedence: bulk > > >--- begin forwarded text > > >X-Sender: rah(a)tiac.net >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:26:33 -0400 >To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu >From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> >Subject: DCSB: Betting on the Future >Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > The Digital Commerce Society of Boston > > Presents > > Duane Hewitt > Idea Futures > > "Betting on the Future" > > > Tuesday, August 6, 1996 > 12 - 2 PM > The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston > One Federal Street, Boston, MA > > >Duane says: > >> I am a Molecular Biologist by trade but I am fascinated by all aspects of >> science and technology and especially their long term ramifications. I am >> completing my Master's Degree thesis as well as working full time at the >> University of Massachusetts at Amherst. I have some part time work >> maintaining Web pages and I have been involved with the Idea Futures Web >> site from the very beginning. I also am currently working on a hypertext >> reference on the biology of aging. Many of these interest can be accessed >> from my home page at http://www.lucifer.com/~duane >> >> I will introduce the concept of Idea Futures which is a market in which >> the odds of future events are set by betting. It is designed to reward >> those who can accurately forecast future outcomes. It has been recognized >> by the Austrian Broadcast System, and the Point Survey and mentioned in >> _Wired_. I will discuss the implications of such a market as well as some >> of the history behind it. I will also propose how a similar market could >> be used to construct a market based voting system. > > > >This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on >Tuesday, August 6, 1996 from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the >Harvard Club of Boston, One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $27.50. >This price includes lunch, room rental, and the speaker's lunch. ;-). The >Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men, and >"appropriate business attire" for women. > >We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or if we *really* know >you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by >Saturday, August 3, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks >payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent >back. > >Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, >Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard >Club of Boston". > >If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had >to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please >let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. > >Planned speakers for the following few months are: > > September Tatsuo Tanaka Some Economics of Digital Cash > October Philippe LeRoux Stock Exchanges and the Web > >We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the >first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the >Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert >Hettinga, rah(a)shipwright.com . > >For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send >"info dcsb" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu . If you want >to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a >message to majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu . > >Looking forward to seeing you there! > >Cheers, >Robert Hettinga >Moderator, >The Digital Commerce Society of Boston > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.2 > >iQCVAwUBMepi6vgyLN8bw6ZVAQFsOwP/UuOoWa0LUEyY4dmQ21KIR4GwhB6PurSa >L97eVsbVOigP+TVPFJX7RKqYhCxIL8gDUnSRimGnATmhLo5wdE0UXvgakeGaD5s+ >vKPfhuaG9/MnuZvWFbBEZOrTTKqVE8bfoU2yiw6xTvhyQY0lDA2BSO8vjip28nOA >0Wkuh1VUBhY= >=/5+9 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >----------------- >Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) >e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA >"'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender." > -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard, > for Bart Simpson >The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/ > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a letter to: Majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu >In the body of the message, write: unsubscribe dcsb >Or, to subscribe, write: subscribe dcsb >If you have questions, write to me at Owner-DCSB(a)ai.mit.edu > >--- end forwarded text > > > >----------------- >Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) >e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA >"'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender." > -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard, > for Bart Simpson >The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/ > Charles E. Sparks Booz Allen & Hamilton http://www.clark.net/pub/charley/index.htm In God we trust, All Others we encrypt Public Key at: http://www.clark.net/pub/charley/cp_1.htm

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Surf-filter lists
by Damaged Justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vlad: How can consumers make an informed decision as to which filter they wish to purchase, if they are not told exactly what information each product is filtering out? Meeks et al may be guilty of flamboyant, emotionalistic prose, but I find the concept that the public is expected to buy various filters without knowing what they filter...frankly, ridiculous. -- "Your wish is my command, if you know what's good for you, bitch." - William Shakespeare (Or perhaps it was his brother Fred who said that.)

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