December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: NRC Session Hiss
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 15:58 6/3/96, Raph Levien wrote: > Basically, an exportable S/MIME client can transmit messages up to >1024/40 bit RSA/RC2 (or RSA/DES), and receive messages up to 512/64 bit >RSA/RC2 (or RSA/DES, but in the latter case I would imagine it's actually >restricted to 512/56 because of the keysize of DES). Note that the >asymmetry actually points in different directions for the public and >symmetric keysizes. What will be the maximum keysize for a domestic encryption client? It it is larger than 1024 bits, there will be interoperability problems with foreign clients. If the domestic client is limited to 1024 bits, it would set a bad precedence, since it would effectively require that the encryption key is smaller than the largest signature key. Disclaimer: My opinions are my own, not those of my employer. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Re: Saw this on CNN: Anonymous Stock tips over IRC as bad???
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:01 PM 6/3/96 -0400, Michael Froomkin wrote: >On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > >[...] >> Securities laws are extremely complex, extraordinarily broad, and >> subject to extremely flexible interpretation. I would suggest not >> attempting to skate a fine line near them -- the ice is very thin. > >Damn good advice, if you ask me. > >A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) However, it is becoming a deregulated industry. Like all the rest. DCF

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Re: [Off-Topic] "Curfews"
by David Rosoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Quoted text originated from tcmay(a)got.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 07.45 PM 6/1/96 -0700, you wrote: >Personally, I liked my "religious exemption" example. The Baal worshippers >can claim that they are engaging in their religion by grokking the >darkness. If picked up and held, they can claim they are "being held >without Baal." Isn't that a little far afield to go for a pun? :) >Most of the ordinances, including the one here, specifically state that >"blanket permission" by parents is not acceptable. They want _specific_ >reasons for being out after curfew. "To whom it may concern: My son, David Rosoff, is out of our house on this June 3, 1996, Monday night, to party with friends, cruise Central Avenue, and partake of the spores that grow of the earth. Signed, A. Parent" >(It's this taking control from both the kids and their parents and putting >it in the hands of cops that really bugs me.) "Me too." (Standard non-AOL disclaimer applies.) >By the way, if being out after curfew is breaking the law, can I make a >"citizen's arrest" of some of those nice young chicas in Watsonville? No comment. :) Really. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rosoff (nihongo o chiisaku dekimasu) drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu For PGP key 0xD37692F9, finger drosoff(a)acoma.arc.unm.edu or get from keyservers pub 1024/D37692F9 1995/07/01 David Rosoff <drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu> Key fingerprint = 25 7D AA 01 85 41 43 89 50 5A 33 76 F1 F1 99 67 I accept anonymous mail. If I didn't sign it, you don't know I wrote it. - --- "Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will / To strive, to seek, to find-- and not to yield." ----- "Ulysses", by Alfred, Lord Tennyson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMbNtGBguzHDTdpL5AQGK3QQAhX6CSiEr3z8puAhwDYlbayF7dBEUMtsk DygPCjL2lJ5d//WrEZxKm6ku/PoDDF9NcGqKBlHhuMYzCfEkOzdcv1idQ6lrWoua ONM3fdGSJt46qplX4UuSQSyLhKqvAwaijw7QDPCAedEFJsVVBPaDT1vpxDOFdylO UJBwLDjYa4k= =+KQb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Off-Topic] "Curfews"
by David Rosoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 10.23 AM 6/2/96 -0800, jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> wrote: >This, the curfew situation, is yet another of the reasons I'd favor "playing >hardball" with the government. I'm very much against discriminatory >enforcement, but on the other hand I don't think my liberty should be >dependent on getting an organization like the ACLU to look out for and >complain against discrimination against me. Are you then also in favor of killing, ruthlessly and brutally, not to mention somewhat randomly, both the police and the ACLU? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rosoff (nihongo o chiisaku dekimasu) drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu For PGP key 0xD37692F9, finger drosoff(a)acoma.arc.unm.edu or get from keyservers pub 1024/D37692F9 1995/07/01 David Rosoff <drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu> Key fingerprint = 25 7D AA 01 85 41 43 89 50 5A 33 76 F1 F1 99 67 I accept anonymous mail. If I didn't sign it, you don't know I wrote it. - --- "Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will / To strive, to seek, to find-- and not to yield." ----- "Ulysses", by Alfred, Lord Tennyson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMbNx2xguzHDTdpL5AQE6bgQAreE5ikGCKxsyjue0fEcKWtmmGU6o2WiU zTXD2Py8y395NVQFuSlrnWSJ4eKmIpePv1oZjgd7sE9wcpKjhHwHq2Fs/ZmsdEb2 CZxPY1qexpxolo0k8uFNbWvqxs/3ieOa0BzE7jmp0jyopejq2OjXheE1v3zGGKtt OBSb4vADydw= =X8Zs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Why PGP isn't so ubiquitous (was NRC Session Hiss)
by Joel McNamara 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well for crypto-novices that use Windows, I'm hoping life will get a whole lot easier. I'm putting the finishing touches on the next release of Private Idaho (http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/pi.html) Aside from some new "power-user" options (working with Lance to support a DOS version of Mixmaster), the next release is going to be targeted at all those folks who are intimidated by PGP. This includes features like an auto-install app, expert and novice modes, and a series of wizards for stepping the user through common tasks (I'm sure the name "wizards" is trademarked by MS, so they won't be called that). Also included will be something called PGP QuickStart. This utility will hand-hold a user through the entire process of downloading PGP from the Net, and installing and configuring it. I just wrote an essay for one of the on-line magazines on "unintentional crypto-elitism." One of my points was that decent crypto technology is now in place, and one of the next evolutionary steps towards wide-scale acceptance is implementing simple and easy user interfaces. Developers of public domain and commercial crypto apps really need to take this to heart. Joel BTW - I'm guessing Private Idaho version 2.7 will be available within the next two weeks. Send me e-mail (joelm(a)eskimo.com) with PI_LIST as the subject to get on the notification list (people on the list will be able to download about a week or so before it goes into wide-scale release).

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Re: [Off-Topic] "Curfews"
by David Rosoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 09.59 PM 6/1/96 -0400, Duncan Frissell <frissell(a)panix.com> wrote: >I'm afraid that some courts have explicitly held that "the child does not >have a right to liberty but only a right to custody." That is old law, >however. Kids have lost many rights recently too including gun rights, etc. I've known for a while that I have no rights as a minor. [ironic smilie] >Of course curfew laws only control the inarticulate and scruffy. Well >dressed children (coat and tie for the boys dress or suit for the girls) who I'll wear a suit if it means I won't get picked up ... :) >can claim that they are out doing tons of protected things like work and >school and worship and political campaigning and "trying to save street >children for Jesus" will not be picked up. They can also say things like >"Ossifer, I'm peaceably assembling to petition the government for redress of >grievances. It's in the First Amendment. You could read about it and >everything." You suggest that we minors stand up for ourselves? How odd. I'm sure no one has ever thought of that before, President Clinton especially. Since any nationally imposed curfew wouldn't have a leg to stand on in the first place, this can only improve the situation. >Home schooled children face this problem frequently and can usually find >something to say. Kids older than 15 or so can claim to be "emancipated >minors." Parents can emancipate their children by signing a simple >declaration to back up this claim. A good idea in any case. This sounds interesting. What are the particulars of being an emancipated minor? >"Whose children never got stopped by cops because at 14 they passed for 21. >Clothing and bearing alone can do it." I wish I were so lucky. At 15 I seem to pass for ... 12. I guess if the cops read from right to left ... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rosoff (nihongo o chiisaku dekimasu) drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu For PGP key 0xD37692F9, finger drosoff(a)acoma.arc.unm.edu or get from keyservers pub 1024/D37692F9 1995/07/01 David Rosoff <drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu> Key fingerprint = 25 7D AA 01 85 41 43 89 50 5A 33 76 F1 F1 99 67 I accept anonymous mail. If I didn't sign it, you don't know I wrote it. - --- "Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will / To strive, to seek, to find-- and not to yield." ----- "Ulysses", by Alfred, Lord Tennyson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMbNsyxguzHDTdpL5AQGvfwP/f2PDE5JPiczwY/5EFt/ziT9UePbcxCV0 UCbYdkbl9hoNlMphUu+O+zneGntCVOIiEoPZLTpK35TYFgA/MCOQhuiCYnvbInMo pZlmnTvyoUI1rkHTUzf2cHRg1+18ieJqDDqBqBb58ZxaLxxJ1crUDrL+QHC/QZE9 mAiLT9tnwgc= =/+GV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by qut＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

list cypherpunks

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Re: Why PGP isn't so ubiquitous (was NRC Session Hiss)
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 3 Jun 96 at 11:27, Bruce Baugh wrote: > Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 11:27:33 -0700 > At 04:33 AM 6/3/96 +0000, Deranged Mutant wrote: > > >In part because it's not well integrated with mailers. That could > >change with a PGP3 DLL. > > I have a growing feeling that PGP 3 is never going to happen. Or that if it I'm soft-of having that feeling too. Or what's going to happen is that enough people will get impatient and international versions will start to appear. > does, it will happen only after the passage of more draconian anti-privacy > laws, and the guys working on it will be forced to include sundry backdoor > stuff or drop it altogether. More likely drop it altogether, or be openly admit they were forced to include GAK (people will want the source, anyway). > I suspect someone could do quite nicely by going ahead and developing a > 2.6.2 or 2.6.3 DLL. There's been talk. But just talk. Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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The problem with encryption, period.
by nelson＠crynwr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The problem with encryption is that 1) it takes effort, and so 2) you must have a non-empty threat model. With (2), you have to trust that you're really encrypting, which takes 3) a certain sense of paranoia. For most people, all three are lacking, which is why proposals like s/mime are succeeding. One button, no security, encryption. -russ <nelson(a)crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | PGP ok 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | It's no mistake to err on Potsdam, NY 13676 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | the side of freedom.

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Re:
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:46 AM 6/4/96, qut(a)netcom.com wrote: >ncr terminals are the most 31173 D0Dz Kenneth, what is the frequency? Kenneth, what is the frequency? --John Hinckley, First Disciple of AP

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