December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

San Diego Cypherpunks Physical Meeting
by Chris Claborne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

San Diego Area CPUNKS symposium Thursday, June 20th, 1996 Invitation to all Cypherpunks to join the San Diego crowd at "The Mission Cafe & Coffee Shop" were I hope to get an update of Lance Cottrell's anonymous e-mail server, "mixmaster", exchange keys, and discuss other topical CP stuff. There's always the semi-topical discussions; Internet Service Provider in San Diego (providing, anonymous remailers and other privacy services), stelth communications, latest Cypherpunk goings-on, Internet happenings (like recent Federal court decision). Don't forget to bring your public key fingerprint. If you can figure out how to get it on the back of a business card, that would be cool. Place: The Mission Cafe & Coffee Shop 3795 Mission Bl in Mission Beach. 488-9060 Time:1800 Their Directions: 8 west to Mission Beach Ingram Exit Take west mission bay drive Go right on Mission Blvd. On the corner of San Jose and mission blvd. It is located between roller coaster and garnett. It's kind of 40s looking building... funky looking (their description, not mine) They serve stuff to eat, coffee stuff, and beer. See you there! New guy, bring your key fingerprint. Drop me a note if you plan to attend. 2 -- C -- ... __o .. -\<, Chris.Claborne(a)SanDiegoCA.NCR .Com ...(*)/(*). CI$: 76340.2422 http://bordeaux.sandiegoca.ncr.com/ PGP Pub Key fingerprint = 7E BF 38 3F 24 A7 D1 B0 54 44 96 AA 10 D0 5D 51 Avail on Pub Key server. Dreams. They're just screen savers for the brain.

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RE: Micropayments are Crap
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Vladimir Z. Nuri > >this really revolutionizes the idea of a magazine or editor. >suddenly anyone on the net can become an editor or writer, >and become as financially successful as the market will support. ................................................................ Really. This will be a tremendous boon for individuals, with great potential for capitalistic profits, what with all those consumers (otherwise known as "people") benefitting from the large variety of services available through the Almighty Free Market (The Now All-Oneness, All HTML One-Stop-Shop). .. Blanc

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Re: Snake Oil on the Water...
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: dsmith(a)prairienet.org, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Jun 17 18:59:49 1996 They have started mentioning the product on their web pages and provide a link to the beta site for sign-ups etc. Since 6.x I have not yet experienced a product crash, except with a disk full condition which was reported to them earlier today. BTW, would you be interested in setting up a secure channel for testing? Lou Z. Lou Zirko (502)383-2175 Zystems lzirko(a)c2.org "We're all bozos on this bus" - Nick Danger, Third Eye -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQEVAwUBMcXxrctPRTNbb5z9AQGfwAgAn7PYnixstxM13Bm6/VTEJp0J7b7e4kh8 evPhPIrsfgWskZzQY/YJtNtaV8p7hphPMeOewGpZ/lXhuPPZeHwLWmFTx/cmX5po g8imoxfwPheHaVtj2R2mdvEyL7Xfiz/YZDJ2E9pyqN7euIrx+xPwbDVqedv87TC3 sFwJecbSpAmGwR2f5V7SrVx+uQcdQ+NzUyOhcToYRnbl7gydEyuGQpQNpn7uyi8S fpvqyoKMwU/ki6xLKIHBPmp8ZQK0AeWnOQl80oGbG7jUGveW9ESs5BwrtXSQPDlI 4SXv1T1UGlVF+DtLFgGHP5agGhl4KT+c5z4ZUTc+BzqSs5aqYmB8yA== =4txl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Pickle Angels?!? (Humour)(Noise)
by William Knowles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On today's Sally Jesse Raphel was Curtis Swiva? founder of the Guardian Angels talking about his new record of eating pickles. He plans to break the record for eating 22 hot dogs in 12 minutes. The whole rest of the stage was full of drag queens, and other rejects from the Jerry Springer show. Curtis must be really hard up to get his mug on TV! William Knowles erehwon(a)c2.org -- William Knowles <erehwon(a)c2.org> PGP mail welcome & prefered / KeyID 1024/2C34BCF9 PGP Fingerprint 55 0C 78 3C C9 44 DE 5A 3C B4 60 9C 00 FB BD Finger for public key --

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Re: SafE Mail Corporation
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ C'punks, At 05:21 PM 6/17/96 -0400, M.Wagoner (1) wrote: > >We would like someone to be able or should I say try and >crack our encryption. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. >Our Web site is http://www.sfmc.com Phone number is >1-800-252-9938. So I pulled up the Web site to see what sort of reward they offered to the successful cracker. Under the heading "Attention `Hackers'" they said if you crack their unbreakable SafE Mail code, you get 5 free copies of ... SafE Mail! Oh, that's a really primo prize, broken software. Duh. Since cracking their encryption is IMPOSSIBLE, I suggest they make the stakes interesting--$100,000, or hell, a cool million. After all, it's unbreakable. It's not like they will have to pay up or anything. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Royalties (was "Re: Micropayments are Crap", which is a boring s
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 17 Jun 96 at 12:45, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: [..] > 2. copyrights. the issue of copyrights is not even resolved today. > when serious cash starts to be associated with cyberspace you > are going to see a lot of incredibly agitated people, especially > lawyers. I imagine systems will evolve that are similar to > a technology that has evolved by which radio stations pay music > companies whenever they play artists songs. (if any cpunks could > elaborate on this system, I think it is an excellent preliminary > example of how a microcurrency-like system would interact with > a copyright situation). I think similar standards are going to Excellent example? I dunno. At the non-commercial station I work, once a year or every other year ASCAP or BMI, for a two week period, wants our playlists... not the usual playlists, but detailed ones which even the most anal-retentive people hate to fill out: the performer, the song writer (not always the same), album and song titles, record label, and if music is ASCAP, BMI, etc. Includes not only songs but them music, background music, etc. I don't remember the rates, but non-commercial stations pay a lower rate than commercial ones. Royalties are supposedly divied out to songwriters (and performers?) or record companies based on how much airplay they received, which I guess is averaged out for the whole year. I don't know if they survey all radio stations around the same time or space it out for different areas and different stations throughout the year. Touch luck for artists who get some airplay but not enough to make it on the lists, of course. Digital area: possibility that people will feel because it's computerized, EVERYTHING can be kept track of. This is problematic, aside from privacy reasons, because the big royalty makers get less and the smaller people get more. Parallel with experiemtal Nielson-ratings tech... a special cable box that did the monitoring for you, and even had an electronic eye that could tell if anyone was in the room, or if they were sleeping or reading the paper rather than watching... apparently every station got much lower ratings than when people generously filled out booklets, so the stations threatened to set up an alternate system, so I don't know if that system was adopted. I'm curious as to how royalities are divied up from the cassette tax, since everyone with blank casssettes is, of course, violating copyrights according to some logic. Will people want royalities for reselling? There was a flack a few years ago from some big record distributors over used CD sales. They refused to supply some of the big chains if they continued to sell used CDs without giving them a cut. Rob

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FYA: SafE Mail Corporation
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: More secure web browser
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Chris> This is all I got from the anonymizer test site (URL was posted >Chris> recently). >Chris> <BR> Your Internet browser is IBM-WebExplorer-DLL/v1.1b. >Chris> <BR> You are coming from . >Chris> Seems reasonably private. Unfortunately, it's not an option if you >Chris> don't use OS/2... >I doubt it. You're only `private' wrt hostname because io-online's >reverse DNS tables appear (very) broken. This has nothing to do with >the browser or the O/S. I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to the fact that ALL it had was WebExplorer and the hostname. Some of the other browsers release a LOT of extra information... BTW, no OS-supremacy was intendeded - merely a realization of the fact that WebExplorer is an OS/2 only product.

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Re: Netscape Mail Security and PGP Plugins
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>However as has been mentioned here a PGP/MIME mail type could >theoretically be used to activate a handler for that incoming mail. I >don't know exactly how this would work. Glancing at the netscape plug >docs near <URL: >http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/2.0/handbook/plugins/ > it appears >that plugins are activated on HTML page downloads, not (necessarily) on >mail receipt. So unless you typically find your incoming mail on a web >page, it doesn't look like this will work. I will ask about it on >coderpunks for clarification. Netscape 2 seems to support HTML in email files. Has anyone tested it with a plugin?

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Re: Fuseable Links - no guarantees??
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:44 AM 6/15/96, Warren wrote: >I have never paid much attention to the protection of firmware or the >technical issues revolving around such schemes...was wondering: > >I recently saw an add for a UK based group that says they can take a PIC >OTP micro and read the prom (for a fee, of course) - How the heck is this >done?? I have my suspicion that they (somehow) magically peel off the >ceramic coating (without destroying the chewy center), get a circuit mask >and 'micro probe' the I/O of the IC...they then download the secret recipe >to the afore mentioned 'chewy center'. > >Is this close to accurate?? How is it 'done' ??? I don't know of any modern chips that have "ceramic coatings." (Some chips, esp. CPUs, are still ceramic-packaged, but in these cases the metal or ceramic lids are easily removed.) Most chips are plastic-packaged, and plasma ashers and/or chemical baths will expose the chip surface easily enough. Once exposed, various methods exist to read internal voltage levels. For example, electron beams in a scanning electron microscope (SEM) can fairly easily read at least surface potentials. Whether a SEM in voltage-contrast mode can read voltages on lower levels depends on a lot of things, and I can't even make a guess here as to whether OTP (one-time programmable) memories from particular vendors can have internal nodes probed. With enough money, many things are possible. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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